Is Papandreou Right to Let the Greeks Decide?!

Oh, come off it. Greeks are as indolent as they come, and therein lies your problem. This blame game is so very passe', so very droll.

Nobody is asking you to take any advice from us. Simply, all we're saying is, "Don't blame us for your mistakes." But I suppose that is too much to ask for a southern European.

Your people are atrociously informed, then. I suppose that they aren't aware that their government lied and cooked its books to gain entry into the Eurozone, thus swindling all the upstanding northern European members. I suppose, also, that they are not aware of the fact that they have chronically refused to pay their due pecuniary diligence to the national coffers. And now, after all this, your government tries to hold Europe hostage. How absurd.

If I were Merkel, I would either:

A) Kick you out (my personal preference), or;
B) Land a squadron of economic Gestapo in Athens and put you in your place

 

1) What you dont understant is that ALL THE EUROPEAN GOVERMENTS KNEW THAT GREECE WAS COOKING THEIR FINANCIAL STATUS all these years. several politicians knew that, the greek problem was known to european political reality since the first date greece entered the eurozone.
2) They will not kick us out not because they love us ofcourse, the system will lead to slavery of the country for at least 10 years, will open the door for foreign interests to use the greece natural resources for prices like Uganda and by kicking us out will lead them to the euro death.
As for the Gestapo squadron unfortunately i have to agree with you as my politicians are corrupted and unable to control the state properly.
3) believing that there is no a currency war between euro and dollar is perhaps a matter of your ignorance....

 

Goldman Sachs Auditors lied to allow Greece entry into the Euro!

The IMF have now put civilians into office in the government ministries in Greece which over throws the Greek national, government...democracy, bollocks???

Three hundred "advisor's" placed into government over and above democratic ministers......They the ministers need an approval from these advisers before doing there job!
Just remember what they the bankers are doing to your country!
Regards
Highlander

 

Plymouth,...

No need to be so rude. How outrageous on your part!

I just wanted to tell you that you need to try to put yourself in the situation of a Greek citizen.

As their PM is saying -- and I agree with him on this -- the austerity effort by the Greeks is to be considered "superhuman".

As such, the Greek people is informed. Very informed.

And you don't ought to be talking down on them.

 

If you ask me ,i would say that by having a referendum it gives Papandreou the excuse to step down if the vote is for no. But whats not decided yet is, what will the referdum actually contain. It may not just be a YES or NO vote.

 

They won't be allowed to vote!

The EU placebo and panacea for corruption at the highest level!

No not a chance of a Greek referendum!

Regards
Highlander

 

You get to "say" in two languages. That's not fair.

Plebiscites are for tyrants. Anyone who understand the history of nineteenth century France knows that.

Democracies are made by representatives. They act on behalf of the people and can be removed at the whim of the people at regular elections. The irresponsibility and deliberate fraud of the Greek government has got them into this mess. Either take the deal or quit the Euro. The BBC is showing interviews with thick Greeks saying that they want the Euro and no austerity.

Give it to them with both barrels Sarko.

 

From my reading of the situation there will be no referendum because the geek cabinet threatened to rebel, and it looked like if he pressed ahead he would have had mor trouble from both his own back benchers and the greek president.

 

What happened was

1) papandreou knew that he was losing and he wanted something to make in some way people believe that people support him (like blackmailing to vote yes because the other way was to lost our country, so "Yes" would be translated wrongly as a yes to his government to, Pasok we have to say holds now only 14% of Greek votes with the recent polls)
2) a simple referendum on the 26/10 deal was his first idea
3) Merkel and Sarkozy went mad and told him that there is no reason for this kind of referendum and if you dont like this solution then you have to go outside eurozone
4) Papandreoy said lies to Merkel and Sarkozy that the reason doing this was a probability of a military junta (of course that's nonsense)
5) Even the members of the government when they heard that they have to vote if they have to remain to eurozone or go out get really upset and even now they threat not to give vote for confidence this night to his governement
6) i believe that today papandreou government will finally fall

 

Although the woman is from communist party i think most people in Greece think like that in this moment.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8nMwEqKRPI"]Liana Kanelli on the Referendum (Channel 4 News) - YouTube[/ame]

 

The problem is...the president knows exactly the price to be paid by the Greek nation...slavery for generations to come!
The opposition is run by an ex EU bank and IMF front man....that says it all!
Goldman Sachs cooked the books to allow the Greeks entry into the Euro! Goldman Sachs those executives now in the Obama's government instructing they're protégée in corrupt practices!
300 plus EC and IMF administrators taking over the ministers portfolio and responsibilities and ruling another sovereign nation....a true dictatorship and true slavery!

Those administrators are answerable to no-one! Certainly they will not stand for election as they have no need to in their dictatorship of the IMF's making!

And what's coming YOUR WAY!

You the Irish nation fought English rule for 700 years and its now to be given away to the Central European Banks and the IMF!

Regards
Highlander

 

I quote Craig Murray.....http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

There has been little reporting or understanding of what happened on the ground in Greece over the last week. 372 Foreign “advisers” moved in to take over Greek ministries, in some cases even sequestring minsters’ offices. They have absolute financial control of budgets and have to approve and sign off spending before money is paid out. In effect, these advisers are now the government of Greece. 28% of these “advisers” are civil servants from other Euro states. The majority are of bankers, and executives of private financial institutions, accountancy and consultancy firms.

As I said Slavery!

Lucas Papedemos: Ex Federal Reserve bank of Boston, Ex Governor of the Greek Central Bank, Ex Vice President of the European Central Bank and Trilateral Commission member

The proposed "NEW" President!

The honest broker....not!

Regards
Highlander

 

And???

We elected incompetants. And they behaved like incompetants.

No one forced Ireland to join the euro no one forced the government to follow a policy of light touch regulation. No one outside ireland lobbied for or supported the back guarantee that eventually sunk the country. The british were apparently particularly exercised over that point.

I think we have done better with the current lot. Once bitten twice shy the country is 90 years old we get to make a few mistakes.

 

I notice with dismay you ignore all requests I made regarding your heritage and nationality!

So.....And?

Back Guarantee? What do you mean?
Again ....The british were apparently particularly exercised over that point.
What do you mean to say?
Light touch regulation....do you mean self regulation? Where everyone with a light finger can steal with impunity the life saving of a nation?
With out any retribution or the rule of law?

Sorry...the bankers and politicians should and will be held to account! AS in Iceland where the Icelandic bankers who are hiding in financial circles in London and who is refusing to extradite them back to stand trial???
The English government! Those benefiting from the same said corrupt practices!
What did Iceland do...they the nation stood up to the International bankers and told them in no uncertain terms to (*)(*)(*)(*) off!
The same thing Ireland should do!
The CEO of British airways was CEO of Air Eire. He was caught trying to purchase the national airline for £1.00. He was caught by a diligent government employee and retired from the national airline!
You don't reward corruption, you deal legally with it!


Regards
Highlander

 

He is not a socialist. Pap is a desperate politician being desperate, as his about turn showed. Il est un bourgeois, mademoiselle.

 

Interesting how anybody who supports some shade of democracy can be called an elitist. I certainly wouldn't think that of anyone who advocates a referendum.

 

That's a very vague sentence. Do you realize the entire bailout ponzi scheme is based on occupying small countries for their unique resources and enslaving them with loans they can never pay back, like a heroin dealer does to his addicts?. 'Sure baby I'll show you Hollywood some day, now get the Fcuk back out on the street'.

In short what if the Greeks would vote not to pay the debts of French and German banks? Where do people think the Greek, Irish banks etc. borrowed from??

 

so you've gone from thinking they need a referendum for the good of democracy to blaming them for the woes of other countries in what is an intentionally engineered EU crisis? What are they feeding ye lads up in Brussels at all..lets go back to Irish fish being sold as Irish fish and Greek sandals being sold as Greek sandals and States behaving like countries, not brainwashed scapegoating regions.

 

This is a very insulting post to Irish people. The war in the North of Ireland-and I refer to it as one country because it is one country-was far more complicated than a racist joke can tell. The reality is only the people of Ireland, mostly those who suffered from it in the North but also those of us in the south of the country who suffered from British bombs against dozens of citizens in Monaghan and Dublin, know what pain and agony such wars caused. To claim we are an anti democratic race because there was a war over many different complex issues is illogical rubbish based on discrimination.

And I as an Irish citizen certainly don't need economic lectures from misinformed racist Belgians whose 'democratic principles' mean shutting down Greek and Irish and Portuguese hospitals so that the Brussels empire can keep on resource grabbing whilst occupying our countries to bail out european banks and blaming the local populations-this is a tool of all occupying forces throughout history. As a longtime occupied country, Irish people know this as well as anyone. You see it today in Modern Europe and in Palestine.

Incidentally I have many Belgian friends, and none of them adhere to your anti Greek, anti Irish 'democratic principles'. Greece is the home of all democracy and philosophy by the way, not Belgium.

 

This is a very insulting post to Irish people. The war in the North of Ireland-and I refer to it as one country because it is one country-was far more complicated than a racist joke can tell. The reality is only the people of Ireland, mostly those who suffered from it in the North but also those of us in the south of the country who suffered from British bombs against dozens of citizens in Monaghan and Dublin, know what pain and agony such wars caused. To claim we are an anti democratic race because there was a war over many different complex issues is illogical rubbish based on discrimination.

And I as an Irish citizen certainly don't need economic lectures from misinformed racist Belgians whose 'democratic principles' mean shutting down Greek and Irish and Portuguese hospitals so that the Brussels empire can keep on resource grabbing whilst occupying our countries to bail out european banks and blaming the local populations-this is a tool of all occupying forces throughout history. As a longtime occupied country, Irish people know this as well as anyone. You see it today in Modern Europe and in Palestine.

Incidentally I have many Belgian friends, and none of them adhere to your anti Greek, anti Irish 'democratic principles'. Greece is the home of all democracy and philosophy by the way, not Belgium.

 

Public wages and social welfare in Greece already cut by about 40%. In Ireland, impoverished students have had their social benefit/grants cut by 70% this year. Social welfare has been cut by 60% for young people. What have we to lose? Iceland's a nice country from what I hear..nobody died..

 

Thats rich. Americans lecturing Greeks on scapegoating.

 

I for one object to being included in your petty battles. I'd quite happily let Brussels and Wall street fight out their (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)y rows only they would inevitably agree they'd prefer to screw us all over. Things were grand in Ireland before the euro-in the 5-6 years before it came in we had a great economy. In my view it is a deliberately engineered hoax that was designed to crash the european economy, impoverish millions, and lead to calls of one euro government, and we all know what the next step is-George orwell New World Order territory.

It was a project designed to create cheap credit, enrich a minority and create a 'crisis' so grave they would solve the centraisation of power with more of the same banker approved 'democracy'.