Is Papandreou Right to Let the Greeks Decide?!

One word sums up this quote: misinformed. Max Keiser was right-and I say this as a half american and a dual Irish-US citizen-America is the only country in the world where a significant minority of the population will actually protest in defense of corporates. Costas in your local Wall Mart did not cause the European banking crisis-and the head of the Goldman Sachs team that cooked Greeces books for another govt.(not the current one) is now head of the ECB. Do the math. Govt's don't run the world, Goldman Sachs runs the world. That's why some people(perhaps yourself, I don't know, feel free to correct me) dream of recessions, and others dream of firing squads.

 

The current lot are a Vichy Govt. Traitors who lied and one of them, our finance minister, is a German bondholder. I strongly suggest if you are still at home(IN the country itself) and you havent left like I have had to, to go down to Occupy Dame Street and try asking the unemployed if they feel any better now that a new shower of compliant lapdogs or petains as we say here in France, are in place to do the Goldman Sachs led ECB's and IMF's bidding.

Also be careful of this we please. I did not vote for any of the current or past incompetents. I voted for an unemployed pro sovereign minded new leftist who is currently sleeping out in front of the central bank. That's competence.

 

Please don't think Ryan M represents a majority of Irish people. The Irish leading governing party who he probably supports based on his views, are currently collapsing in opinion polls and they had a bad Presidency election and By election in Ireland recently. In the election they got 36% of the vote-not an overall majority. They and the other govt. party conned the people, many of whom being lied to, were duped and easily fooled and as one famous Irish poet put it 'gave official Ireland(Or Oireland INC. as we call it) its last chance. Many campaigns around the country against hospital closures, EU fisheries robbing laws, against anti Irish farming laws, nurses, and senior citizens groups against pension levies have protested against the govt. in recent times. 9 Irish cities/towns now have camped tent cities which are rapidly growing. People are waking up. Some Irish people believe Greece is at the stage where its a neo nazi dictatorship and the population could overthrow it for a communist based workers state, which I would support completely meself.

Many Irish people laud the Icelandic example, or at least those of us who are aware of it. A significant minority don't know what news is-like in any country. Personally I envy Scotland-ye lads are more of a country right now.

 

Please don't think Ryan M represents a majority of Irish people. The Irish leading governing party who he probably supports based on his views, are currently collapsing in opinion polls and they had a bad Presidency election and By election in Ireland recently. In the election they got 36% of the vote-not an overall majority. They and the other govt. party conned the people, many of whom being lied to, were duped and easily fooled and as one famous Irish poet put it 'gave official Ireland(Or Oireland INC. as we call it) its last chance. Many campaigns around the country against hospital closures, EU fisheries robbing laws, against anti Irish farming laws, nurses, and senior citizens groups against pension levies have protested against the govt. in recent times. 9 Irish cities/towns now have camped tent cities which are rapidly growing. People are waking up. Some Irish people believe Greece is at the stage where its a neo nazi dictatorship and the population could overthrow it for a communist based workers state, which I would support completely meself.

Many Irish people laud the Icelandic example, or at least those of us who are aware of it. A significant minority don't know what news is-like in any country. Personally I envy Scotland-ye lads are more of a country right now. In general Irish people have the sense to vote know to a lot of referenda. They are then told vote yes or Starve. It is now at the stage where upcoming european referenda will be voted no for certain because Irish people would rather starve than give europe more power over us.

 

There is a little flag displayed on the upper right hand corner of my posts your a clever boy I'm sure you will eventually figure it out.

Eventually you have to stop putting blame on everyone else and accept that it was FF and the PD's who go us into this mess and we chose to elect them. Some times we get the government we deserve.

If you don't know about the bank guarantee then I wonder how you can attempt to speak authoritatively on the irish crisis.

They thought it was an awful idea. The treasury was most upset by the move. And told us so And they were right.

Why yes children Ireland decided to let the free market rule, cos' that never steered a country wrong

For there to be rule of law there must first be law, which would require that the legislature legislate, which is no the role of a TD the role of a TD is to go to funerals ans Mass.

No (*)(*)(*)(*) Sherlock, Unfortunately disorderly default is messy and Irish people for all that foreigners seem to believe like police and pensions and bad healthcare. We got rid of the politicians . We have a nice new government. And no one can see any way of the mess without loads and loads of pain.

You don't actually know any Irish people. Do you? You've probably never heard of Charlie McCreevey Or Micahel Lowry or the moriarty tribunal.

Reading list for Irish crisis, start on Wasters by Shane Ross then try Follow the Money by David McWilliams and maybe round it off with Ship of Fools. Or finan O tooles book on founding a new republic.

 

There you go Highlander you've got people posting this sort of drivel supporting you.

Risable nonsense.

 

Wot....Wot.... Risible nonsense....perhaps better than hypocrisy and self delusion!

Regards
Highlander

 

Quick question......when are you allowed to vote? 15?

Regards
Highlander

 

Why do you get off on such racism? What possible right do you have to demand to know someone's nationality? Are you some sort of border guard perched on the M6 waiting for Scottish independence so you can demand the passports of sassenachs and spew your poisonous race hatred in their face?

A person's nationality and heritage is incidental to their argument. The tedious ad homines that you indulge in, constantly attacking people for their nationality or their failure to live up to your particular stereotype as to what their nationality should mean, never stop. Do you post on any other subject? Its a perverted form of fascism, constantly ignoring the substance of what people post and launching nasty, largely ignorant, personal attacks on people based on the country they come from, or more often, the country you think they come from.

Scotland has colluded in the British Empire, both its rise and its fall, for centuries. If along the way a few of you got shafted then I am sure there are millions of people who have been the victims of Scottish thugs wearing British redcoats who will tell you that your nation got no more than it deserved.

Which is interestingly enough what Robbie Burns thought about Scotland - a nation ruled by a parcel of rogues who sold their country out. Or maybe you should listen to Renton:

That's a Scotsman I can respect!

 

Wot .....Wot.....perhaps one should look closer to ones posts!

The analogy to train spotting was supposed to enamour me to your normally disparaging posts?
I and neither British nor racist....these word do seem to go together so well and well fitting to the dogma you attempt to force agreement!
Respect is a two way street! Try it sometime!

Regards
Highlander

 

Yep..racist personal abuse. More drivel

If you are Scottish, then you are aslo British. Scotland is in Great Britain. This is a geographic fact. For ever.

As to political union, Scotland voluntarily joined the Union as Robbie Burns will tell you.

 

I'm not a native English-speaker, and in my éxcitement I stuffed up.

What I meant was that I don't support this sort of referenda.

In fact, I don't believe in referenda at all, except on the local level on local issues: cobblestones or asphalt?! And it already could be argued that that isn't a local issue either...

A referendum is not the high mass moment of democracy, general elections are.

 

No, no, no.

I've been consistent the entire time and your post doesn't make that much sense, at least to me.

 

More dogma.....English parochial dogma!

You're not doing very well are you!

Try being proud of being English.....as I am proud of my culture and of being Scottish!
I would never attempt to call you any thing other that that which you are.....sorry!
Pity you are not well mannered enough to do the same, but you were probably brought up in a private school...very remiss of your parents!

Oooh...by the way.....The treaty of Union 1707.....when one is murdered or threatened its not considered legal or and unenforceable document.....perhaps that's the way your aristocracy does things in England....but we of course being a far older democracy and more civilised and would never behave in the same manner!

But then again....your "Royals" are German/French....and usurpers!

Pity your self deluding!

Regards
Highlander

 

Yes,... I know it was insulting -- that was the entire point.

I have a bad character, although I'd like to apologize to everyone who should feel (s)he needs it: I'm sorry, I've overstepped the line for wrapping such a sensitive issue into one insulting sentence.
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Calling me a racist for pointing out the truth (although I did it in an insulting manner?): Did or din't the Irish shot and bombed themselves? Let's not over-react, shall we?

Anyway, the only thing I was saying that I don't think this is a Greek issue. It's an European one with a Greek, French, Portuguese, Belgian, German, Dutch, (...) aspect. These referenda only work, and only ough to work, when they are organized on a trans-national scale.

Well, all I can say that this is just an outrageous claim on your part!

Small question: could you please tell us the name of the European program in which students of tertiary education go abroad (other EU-country) in the prospect to enhance their education?!

 

Ok, lets get the Greek story right first since it's where you started off wrong.

Greece public wages haven't be cut even close to 20% yet. They had a 7% and 8% cut across the board of the last year. Public workers had bonuses cut more then anything. Bonuses are not salary. They are perks. Perks come and go. Bankers should have lost theirs as well. So can't accuse me of being shill for the Bankers which is typical of the Irish socialist.

Greece welfare had to be cut. Who the hell gets a full retirement at 53? It's the LOWEST in the Eurozone.

Now on to Ireland.

I love how you speak of the other Irish students and you are in France studying. Cuts had to happen and it's not like Students were the only target. It was across the board in Ireland. But nevermind that the Irish budget increased every year under the Celtic Tigers that gave students those fat cat kickbacks. The Celtic Tigers are gone so back to what it was prior to that. You complain about something that was the normal in the 1980s.

I have no issue if Ireland does what Iceland does, but know this, it doesn't solve the problem. Huge issues of inflation will hit and will require Ireland to worry about foreign currency coming into the country. Iceland nixed any importing other then Oil, Food and Drugs. So in the case of Ireland that would have a big effect because Ireland is an IT country. Means a new PC, TV, Telephone or whatever will be like smuggling in Heroin to Dublin. So you can say nobody died but the reality is that's probably not true as I don't think you have a firm grasp of what happened in Iceland.

 

Who cares if he's a German bondholder. It has nothing to with the decisions made. Germany is not and will not be effected by the PIIGS. In fact the Finance Minister is losing money via interest rates due to the crisis. Getting 1.4% on a 10 year compared to getting a 4.54% as it was prior to the crisis which would you take? Obviously the 4.54%.

 

You have to go back to 1972/4 to and realise that the Greek junta took power at the behest of America!
Though this time it was short lived, they proved they were still able to inflict a dictatorship onto the Greek nation! They are always in the back ground a state within a state!
This time around the president a week ago had them, the top Greek officers removed from the military, stopping the proposed overthrow of the Greek government!
At present everything is on a knife edge!

No...they will not be allowed to have a referendum, the Greek Army and the American dollar will not allow this to happen!
Iceland will be dealt with at the appropriate time.
IMF and CEB will take there retribution on those that will stand up to their corruption and corrupt practices.
The Icelandic nation stood up for there nation and did show the world exactly what they are doing!
I only hope that they are successful in having the Icelandic bankers returned to stand trial!

Regards
Highlander
Regards
Highlander

 

No, the Irish didn't shoot or bomb each other. You have two different types of people in Northern Ireland (part of the UK) that either believe they are Irish and want to finish the war that Michael Collins didn't finish thus creating a "true" 32/33 county Socialist Republic. Then there is the other bunch who consider themselves Ulster-Scots who insist after having family living in Ireland for more then 200-400 years they are still and will always be British and want to remain part of the UK for social-economic reasons.

 

I'll admit to the Junta, that's true. But you have no clue how what's going on now. US needs (*)(*)(*)(*) all from Greece. It's exposure is pennies on the dollar. It's more about France, ironically. France has the most exposure to Greece. Germany is close but Germany can weather what France can not. Like I said before many times on this forum, I would like to see Germany tell the lot of you (UK included) to get bugger off. Then you will see what dictatorships would look like. Spain will go back to it's Franco era, UK will finally wither and hopefully die off allowing faux economic union to die (hopefully, but odds are the Royal family will end up with more power) and France will have another bloody revolution. While the Janpor and his country men and women will be dealing with Greek like Debt to GDP overnight. Belgium has a 99% d/gdp today.

 

Not at all...you have one Ireland.....with politically motivated violence perpetrated by the English government and the orange order!
Rigged election!
Gerrymandered areas!
Refused decent housing!
Refused the vote until 1971!
Refused employment!
Discrimination of employment based on religious grounds!
The marginalisation of one part of the Irish population to the detriment of peace!
700 years of refusal to obey English rule and dominance!

http://info-wars.org/2011/11/04/brits-planned-genocide-of-irish-—-in-1972/

Ulster Scots are a whole different issue!
They are Scots....If they want English rule...they can go to England and see how well they are accepted! They are only a tool for the English Aristocracy through bigotry and the orange order!
They the English too will make a mockery of the bowler hat and the bigotry that goes with it!

Regards
Highlander

 

Ok, Alex Jones isn't gonna work here. While that's possible, nothing surprises me when it comes to Northern Ireland and how the British deal with it. Jack Lynch would have never stood for it. He had the balls to march Ireland's little army up to the border during the Battle of the Bogside while only for medical aid. It could have gone to hell and hand basket then.

 

Mmmm......the battle for the Bogside was never won and the English Troops never entered!
I was recently over to Derry and saw the memorials and murals and the tributes to the hunger strikers!
The H blocks.
I also saw 15000 Orange men marching around the walls.....almost all from Scotland! That sickened me!
I also saw the Real IRA demonstration and the PIRA officers. Its a funny old world!

I also had a large number of Guinness in the Phoenix which is within the Bogside....so bloody smooth!
I want to go back!
Aaah.... but that's another story!

I was looking at things from a historical outlook!

And saw things never change until a decent education for the young takes over from previous crimes of past generations!

Regards
Highlander

 

What a load of utter nonsense. I do not "support" multinational corporations. At all. You're simply making asinine assumptions.

Goldman Sachs is not an American institution; it is not a representative of the American people or their government. Yes, it is located in Wall Street -- which premier international companies aren't? -- but that does not make it "American."

 

Like all of us, the Greeks have been robbed ragged by the rich. Mightn't it be a good idea ot vote on it? We won't be allowed to either, of course.