If JFK had lived, the US would be the most beloved and respected Nation in the World.

Man that is some great stuff there.thanks for posting it.too bad the lone nut theorists-"the tin foil hatters" wont bother to read this since it shoots down their fairy tale beliefs that oswald killed kennedy. speaking of this,your first link on the front page here nailed it.Fletcher Prouty who was the liason man whom Donald Sutherland portrayed in the movie,he was the liason man between the pentagon and Jfk.
He knew the dirty works that the pentgon and CIA operated because he participated in them which is why he knew when the newspapers immediatley printed this whole story with all this biography of oswald when he hadnt even been charged with killing the president yet,that it was a black ops operation because he had particpated in them for the CIA before.

He said that photo is indeed Lucian Sarti sitting next to the umbrella man so i Have to believe that is the correct identity of the unbrella man.,the secret service violated long standing procedures that day.they never allow a man to open up an umbrella on the street like that.every one of those agents should have been tried and prosecuted for treason or at least reprimanded for being so negligent in their security yet none of those things happened and people still believe in that fairy tale that oswald killed kennedy. Also Nixons right hand man E Howard Hunt a CIA operative in the bay of pigs,was arrested in the watergate burglery and for years he denied that he was in dallas that day until his son recorded him giving a death bed CONFESSION that he really was in dallas that day and the CIA pulled it off and implicated Nixon as well.Nixon like that article said,changed his story so many times lying about not being in dallas that day.If pinocio was true,Dick Nixons nose would grow miles long across the earth.

 

You tinfoilers wouldn't know a fact, even if it walked up and smacked your mom on the ass.

I'm mean seriously, it's called Occam's razor. Look it up.

 

yep do the cowardly thing,dodge the evidence and run away. never fails. do this when cornered.

 

I rest my case.the tin folier throw insults when cornered.typical cowardly act.

 

I enjoy debating with people who can argue in a reasonable, intelligent manner, but my experience with conspiracy nuts is that any proof against their position is just evidence as to how widespread the conspiracy is. So I'm wisely making the decision to not waste my time.

In a way, a conspiracy kook is just like a religious person, only with no salvation waiting on the other side. Hardly seems worth it.

 

I respect your passion about the subject... but you're wrong. If Lee Harvey Oswald had lived, it would've been proven he was a lone wolf -- just like so many others we've seen since then. Just like the Syrian guy whose attempt to blow up my building was thwarted by the FBI. There are dangerous nuts out there.

Two things convince me there was no cover-up. One, the early 60's were the era of poisoned toothbrushes and secret agents trying to get rid of Castro. Those missions failed miserably, but reflected the mindset of the times. A sniper from a bldg window wasn't 'en vogue' back then. What you think of us as a well thought-out plan, I remember as chaos and confusion. I knew of Jack Ruby from my dad... he was a loose cannon. To this day, someone determined enough could shoot a gun out the 6th floor window of that bldg. Too many pieces of the puzzle fit.

Secondly, our govt is not competent enough to pull off such an involved plot... much less keep it a secret. My God, man... they can't balance a checkbook among the lot of 'em... how do you think they're smart enough to pull off a master plot like that one in your mind????

Edited to add: Thinking back, I don't believe I actually know 'your' theory about JFK. Pardon me if I'm wrong in assuming you think our govt was behind it.

 

A privileged descendant of a rumrunning family (The Kennedy family that made their illegal fortune in the USA by illegal liquor sales) would have made the USA respectable? Yeah, right. I will give him credit for avoiding WW3 during the Cuban missile crisis, however, a fair argument can be made that his incompetence created the crisis.

 

the only thing you got right in your whole post there was the last paragraph.lol. in yes i have tons of evidence i have collected over the years that proves people in high positions of power in our government were behind it all.I would gladly share it with you and prove it to you anytime anywhere,name the place. Like i said,i know an american history teacher that has reserched the case since 1967 who has read over a thousand books on it and have interviewed witnesses that were there that day.I have too much information that actually I could share with you that proves there is not a shread of evidence that oswald did it that someone open minded and objective can see the warren commission is a fairy tale.

He was killed because the flimsy evidence they had would not hold up in a court of law. Man I thought you at LEAST knew that much about the kennedy asassination.you really need to hear an opposing view sometime because everything they tell you in the sixth floor musuem is propaganda and lies.yes there are dangerous nuts but oswald wasnt one of them.He was exactly what he said he was,a patsy.

too many piece of the puzzle fit? thats a riot.you couldnt be more dead wrong if you tried.Jack ruby had long standing ties to the CIA,and the mob and to Dick Nixon just like that link showed that the thread starter posted,you should read it. and it was well known that he was friends with Oswald amongst people that knew oswald.Oh and the secret service violated all standard protocals that day that they should have been prosecuted for treason for.the fact that so much evidence was illegally destoyed and removed from the FBI,DALLAS POLICE AND SECRET SERVICE and nobody went to jail for, that alone proves it was a home grown plot.oh and thats why the mossad "who had their own reasons to get rid of him" were involved in it because yes the CIA is too incompetent to pull it off but the mossad is "not."

you should watch a great documentary sometime called THE MEN WHO KILLED KENNEDY.It has several hours of footage and facts and evidence that shread to pieces the warren commission report and again,read the links this thread starter has posted,that is if your open minded. oh and your wrong,the government has made a living for years keeping secrets from the public and the poulation of the world.There was in fact a covert CIA war run in Indonisia in the early 50's run by Vice President Dick Nixon that even Eisenhower did not know about that THOUSANDS that was kept a secret from the american people for over 40 years and most did not know about it till the mid 90's when congress through the freedom of information act discovered these suppressed documents so secrets like this CAN be kept and obviously were.

 

Hardly true at all that his incompetence created it.The government did all this behind his back and wanted him to go to war with them.oh and your judging him by the deeds of what his DAD did.His dad was corrupt,no question about that.thats why JFk got in because they thought he would be corrupt like his dad,when it turned out he was nothing like his father,thats when they decided to get rid of him.He wasnt anything at all like Bushwacker who WAS exactly like his dad,corrupt and evil.

 

Kennedy cut taxes, escalated a war, was responsible for several foreign policy flubs (Bay of Pigs anyone?), failed in his attempt to stop the spread of communism, enabled the rise of the Ba'ath in Iraq, supplied the weapons that later killed 400,000 Kurds, agreed to let the FBI wiretap MLK Jr., and increased the national debt substantially.


Actually, just looking at his resume he kinda looks like another guy....

 

William F. Buckley involved in the Kennedy assassination???

LOL Now I've heard it all!

 

Kennedy apparently coined the term Missile Gap as a Senator, and, was responsible for the massive nuclear arms race between the two superpowers, which still shapes the planet.

 

LOL! Two conspiracy theories by the same poster in one thread. That might be a first. Dale Gribble, is that you?

 

And you are ignorant of the fact that Kennedy caused the Cuban missile crisis?

Did you know that the USSR started placing missiles in Cuba because the US had placed nukes in Turkey? Did you know that Kruschev warned Kennedy that if he didn't remove them they would ship nukes to Cuba?
Did you know that it was weeks after the first missiles were shipped that Kennedy finally decided to make an issue of it?
Did you know that only when Kennedy secretly agreed to withdraw the nukes from Turkey did Kruschev agree to take the nukes out of Cuba?

Now, for extra points, do you have any idea who negotiated that littlel deal and kept Kennedy from destroying the world? A man by the name of Lester Pearson. I know, you've never heard of him.

If you are going to spew goo about Kennedy then I suggest you check the historical record. He was a reckless, war mongering incompetent who spent more time with whores than he did actually learning what was going on the world.

He was facing the prospect of not being nominated for a second term when he was shot....by "persons unknown."

Even my dad, a lifelong union man and Democrat was fed up with him.

 

Kennedy cheated on his wife. Do any of you leftists have a problem with that? I didn't think so. You leftists should support Newt Gingrich.

 

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Yes, if the man who launched an illegal war against a sovereign nation (think Bay of Pigs) had lived, people would inevitably have loved the US.
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This thread is a classic example of lionizing a person merely due to the fact that they met an untimely death.

 

I remember that era - I was in the 6th grade when Kennedy was assassinated...

Kennedy Assassination Transformed US Secret Service
November 21, 2011 - The assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963, 48 years ago, stunned the world. It was the first time since 1901- when President William McKinley was killed - that a U.S. president fell to an assassin’s bullet.

See also:

Secret Service Agents Open Up About Kennedy Assassination
November 21, 2011 - Former Secret Service agent Clint Hill explains how the day of President John F. Kennedy's assassination unfolded, and how it forever changed his life, November 2011.

 

Camel-Lot got us into Vietnam. John John was a pain killer abuser and philanderer cheating on Jackie with Marlyn Monroe and his brother Teddy ran away, went home and took a nap while a girl drown in Chappaquiddick. They were a black mark on American History that is thankfully dead, buried and better off forgotten.

 

Agreed.............

 

I do not believe President Kennedy would have been considered a great, or even very good, president if he had lived out his term of office. His assassination by a nut erased disasters like the Bay of Pigs Fiasco and our intervention in Vietnam.

 

That's only if you count quantity.

I'm a quality guy, myself.

 

Once again, a reminder that Kennedy's polling numbers were in the tank before his death, but rose into the 70's immediately after his death. I recall learning the phrase "martyr effect."

He was a terrible president who had alienated his own base "ask not what your country can do for you...", alienated US allies by acting rashly and without warning on several fronts. He almost destroyed NATO from within because of the Bay of Pigs and the missile crisis.

He created Viet Nam which before him had been an obscure backwater conflict kin which Eisenhower had agreed to send unarmed advisers under the ruse it was training for anti-guerrilla warfare.

He ignored his promises about civil rights and allowed the corrupt FBI under Herbert Hoover to harass numerous civil rights groups most especially Martin Luther King and his Southern Baptist Conference.

He did nothing to curb the rise of the Ku Klux Klan although federal laws were being trampled.

It is doubtful he would have been re-elected, and there was a move quietly plotting to dump him from the Democratic ballot.

Yes one of the greatest presidents ever.....if you forget 32 or 33 others.

 

Even more reason to move to the conspiracy section.

 

Wow have you been misinformed.The only thing correct in this post here is that he cut taxes.Esculated the war? get serious. That was Johnson. I already explained how Kenendy never sent in combat troops only advisors.as i said before,even the lamestream media acknowledges that.I have it on tape on a PBS special on vietnam where they even say that. Here read this below.

continued-you could not be more wrong and way off base than this than you are.the outcome would have been VASTLY different if Jfk had lived.Its a well known fact that he was going to have a complete withdrawal of vietnam by 1965.It was no secret.

Everybody in the military knew it.it was all over the front pages on the militarys stars and stripes newspaper that by 1965 he was going to completely withdraw all military personel by 1965.JFK never sent in combat troops.He only sent in ADVISORS.Even the corporate controlled media has to acknowledge that.they did so in a PBS documentary I have on tape.It was also revealed in the ARRB files that got released that for sure he was going to completely withdraw from vietnam by 1965 when he signed memo# 263 two months before his murdered.two days later after Johnson was sworn in,he signed memo#273 which REVERSED kennedys policy and esculated the war.one of Johnsons backers and close ties he had was Brown and Root a subcontacter for the war machine.

Brown and Root was instrumental in his rise to power so since they did him the favor of getting elected,he was gladly willing to retuen the favor and give them their war they wanted.do the math.the corrupt school system has lied.
that was actually Bobby that authorized wiretaps on MLK jr and thats because Hoover blackmailed him like he did so many other politicians he had in his pocket.dont even go there that he resembles Bushwacker.Thats Obama.In the bay of pigs invasion,kennedy was lied to from the beginning by the CIA in their planning,they tried to trick him into ordering an all our invasion because he refused them military support like they wanted.That was his first fatal mistake was he made a statement that he was going to shread the CIA into a thousand piecess and scatter it to the four winds.And he wasnt all talk,his actions afterwards proved he was serious.The CIA had the means,the motive and the opportunity to get rid of him and they did.

 

Thats all true but what most people dont realise is that they put those missiles in turkey unbeknowest to Kennedy.the lamestream media left out those little details because it had the affect on your dad they wanted,for him to blame JFK and get fed up with him.

As i said before,you should be grateful that Dick Nixon was not president because he said himself a few years later that if he had been president,he would have gone in and nuked them and anybody who knows anything about how evil tricky Dick was,knows he wasnt all talk back then.Nixon while more experienced when he was president might not have,but back then in 196o when he was inexperienced? forget it,he would have started a nuclear war.