Basic Bottom Line Argument For God

Believe it or not, the, "I don't know," argument is vastly superior to the, "I don't know so I'll make something up," argument.

 

Why do you insist on calling natural forces, which we clearly have limited understanding of, god? Why is there a need to name it, pray to it, ask help from it?

 

And you somehow claim to have an understanding of this "something". Which is so big, we actually have little understanding of it, but somehow, primitive man, who came up with the notion of an omnipotent being, a creator, had more of an idea than the guys are CERN and their billion euro particle smashing machine.

Which is nonsense.

 

Actually not.

Me: There is no tea cup in the room, there is no evidence of it.

You: There is a tea cup in the room, but there is no evidence of it.

You see which argument is poorer?

 

Then you must be special.

 

No if you actually go back to the post, he gave no arguement. Thats all I was pointing out....see how that works?

 

You said it.....not me.....

 

What are hoping for an argument for? There is no argument for something not existing. But there has to be an argument for something existing, which is where theists come unstuck.

 

What he said was:

And he's right.

 

Why is God here, what's the explanation ?

 

Explain what caused God.

 

A magic God that just popped into existence ?

 

which doesn't mean anything to me.

it would have done 50 years ago.

 

Man had/has the ability to conceptualize a deity, and that is what they did/do.

I believe that.

 

What? No is isn't.

It's not a bad thing to recognise you don't know something. It allows you to look for the truth with honesty.

 

One could say that 'God' is the intelligence behind the creation of this universe. The question becomes: Does a Creator (the designer and implementer of his intelligence)need to be created? Infinity goes both directions--infinitely small to infinitely large. We have found no limits to either, but are self-limited in proceeding further in the quest to chase infinity. That is what faith becomes---one sees the results of the Creator but does not know the basis & motivation of his intelligence as to why he produced such. Unbelief in a Creator is simply a denial of anything other than one's own limited perception or mind thought. That person is ego-arrogant in their limited understanding and closed mindedness by their own devices to any other possibility that would endanger their comfortable creed...

 

And one could also say god is the guy that made icecream, or spagetti. But we are not asking you waht god "could" be, we are asking what god is?

No. Unbelief is simplly saying that in the complete absence of evidence for something, that something does not exist.

The people who are arrogant here are the ones who claim that they have an understanding of something, which only exists in their imagination.

 

You, being a disingenuous atheist, of course left out this part of my post:

I would say that my post, humbling acknowledging not knowing the exact mechanisms and motivation behind creation, is much less 'arrogant' than your post....again, as exposing atheism as being a disingenuous mind thought of the rebellion that it is....

 

Here is where you do it again. What results of the creator do you see? This is the part that you have no evidence of. None. You have assumed, or more likely indoctorinated into believing that the things we observe must have been created but a creator. yet there is no evidence at all that a god did any creating!

We simply do not know how the universe came into being, but don't worry, there's a bunch of scientists smashing particles together in the Alps trying to find out.

 

Well there is a scripture (better cover your eyes & ears!) that states: "God has made Himself known in His creation." And others that point to such that men who cannot accept that 'fact' are "fools."

And so you are blinded by the ideology of men, and cannot so recognize God in His creation; where ppl like me, can! But my explaining such is like explaining 'color' to a man blind from birth....and you are 'self-blinded' and so CANNOT, nor worse, WILL NOT see...

 

As someone is drawing their last breath, no one can say for sure what happens after that.

Oh sure, you can get into the physical decomposition of the body and that sort of thing, but to dismiss the spiritual self is really to reduce humanity, to reduce life to nothing more than a concoction of various elements and compounds undergoing a bio-chemical reaction.

Spirituality is an important distinction here...and certainly mankind is in a unique position to ponder the Universe that the animal kingdom does not do. The atheist will say, humans are nothing special, we have no unique place in existence...but in fact...we are special...the human brain is the most complex organism in the known Universe...to date...
We are indeed quite special...

I refuse to accept the premise that we as human beings are simply reduced to our basic elements...and that death is just the end of a bio-chemical reaction...nothing more and nothing less.

 

Human egocentrism at its finest on display.

So much for that being humble thing the bible speaks of

 

Dont mistake (purposely) that Christians who know the scriptures and of the spiritual realm, and walk as "knowing who they are in Christ," are not humble!

Our confidence in the above makes us as bold messengers of the Gospel of Christ, for per scripture "Perfect love casts out fear," and we do not promote ourselves but the One who we follow. If ppl consider me as 'bold' in my stances concerning what I know as truth, then I accept that as being a product of my faith in His words and His righteousness (for I have none of my own)...

 

And without evidence, taking any of those positions is completely illogical. The logical position to take is to say "I don't know" or to at least recognize that your beliefs aren't logical.

I'd love to see your proof of that. We have no information about what could have come before the Singularity. It could have been creation ex nihilo, a previous contraction of the universe, or any number of other things, but the straight answer is that we simply don't know.

To insert a God into that gap is totally illogical and unfounded.

Why does their have to be a God? Why couldn't the universe simply have always been here in one form or another?

 

If one does not promote themselves, then one would not say that the human brain "is the most complex organism in the known Universe".

as for truth. your truth is one gigantic lie.