Israel; Iran has no bomb program.

The only reason the Iranians would want to deve lop isotope enrichment capabilities is for a weapons program. The Iranians could have a foreign country build and fuel light water reactors at a cost that is orders of magnitude less than what they have/are investing in their enrichment program. The P1 centrifuge designs they currently have in production were aquired from the khan network- an organization that has a long history of supplying weapons infrastructure. Additionally, thdey have continued to develop ballistic missile systems that would be marginally effective without a wmd capability.

 

'Stop the hatred'? You're a fine one to talk!

 

Hmmm'

Excerpted from The New York Times
Saturday, January 21, 2012

Excerpt>>>>a United Nations report released in November 2011 challenged that claim. The International Atomic Energy Agency released a trove of evidence that they said makes a “credible” case that “Iran has carried out activities relevant to the development of a nuclear device” and that the project may still be under way. The report said the I.A.E.A. had amassed “over a thousand pages” of documents, presumably leaked out of Iran, showing “research, development and testing activities” on a range of technologies that would only be useful in designing a nuclear weapon."

Chugging Truth serum eh? While we wait for it to take effect allow lets read more More of the excerpted NY Times article;

it laid out the case that Iran had moved far beyond the blackboard to create computer models of nuclear explosions in 2008 and 2009, and conducted experiments on nuclear triggers. The report said that starting in 2000, the Iranians constructed a vessel to conduct those tests, which was not shown to inspectors who visited the site five years later. The report, the harshest judgment that U.N. weapons inspectors had ever issued in their decade-long struggle to pierce the secrecy surrounding the Iranian program, rekindled a debate among the Western allies and Israel about whether increased diplomatic pressure, sanctions, sabotage or military action could stop Iran’s program.

Glug a lug indeed! Hey that truth serum is working at the NY times already!!!

Rev A

 

I appreciate you striving for accuracy, Mr R, and criticising those who might not.
One problem though. You should obey your own rules, and not be equally guilty of duplicity.

You claim that the OP reference quoted Israeli sources as 'saying' that "they (Iran) havent decided to construct a bomb yet". In fact the words were:

In that you imply that Israel had not yet decided whether to assemble the bits and pieces yet, as confirmed by your "Not assembling the components to make a bomb doesnt mean the program and ability to do so doesnt exist". Sorry, Mr R, but "to make" encompasses a far broader spectrum than simply 'assembly'. In fact, by not 'making' one could derive "not embarking on a development program".

So let us read further to try to find out what the Israelis really meant.

I put it to you that this does not mean anything like simply putting the existing bits together - i.e. assembly or construction.

Mr Pot ..... meet Señor Kettle

As Erskin Childers cautioned us in 1961, "Always examine the Zionist claims as to what are facts". One could extend his targets and still benefit hugely.

 

So, since 1991, gullible Americans have been convinced that Iran will attack with nukes the next day. Remember this one?

By late 1991, Congressional reports and CIA assessments maintained a "high degree of certainty that the government of Iran has acquired all, or virtually all, of the components required for the construction of two to three nuclear weapons."
http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=629443

20 years later, and the same broken record is still being replayed since many republicans like to be fooled.

 

How do you know that Iran has not had two or three nukes for 20 years? Additionally the report I cited in my reply wasn't created by gullible Americans but by the UN. I would suggest your people are the most gullible of all! We Americans are far from gullible because we do not trust instigators liars and haters.

Rev A

 

How do you know that Iran has not had two or three nukes for 20 years? Additionally the report wasn't created by gullible Americans but by the UN. I would suggest your people are the most gullible of all! We Americans are far from gullible because we do not trust instigators liars and haters. That would be the terrorist supporting, propaganda creating dictators of the middle east, including Iran.

Rev A

 

According to Netanyahu, Iran has not bothered anyone with its ability to build nukes since 1995:

In January 1992, Benjamin Netanyahu told the Knesset that "within three to five years, we can assume that Iran will become autonomous in its ability to develop and produce a nuclear bomb.
http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=629443


After 20 years of telling Americans that Iran will have nukes "next year", your position is comical.

U.S. House of Representatives suggested that Iran would have two or three operational nuclear weapons by April 1992.
http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=629443



And yet, 20 years later, followers of Israel are still replaying the same broken record, trying to fool gullible Americans for no reason.

 

Netanyahu is no nuclear physicist. Still your post makes no sense, Did you read the excerpts? When building an nuclear bomb they are bound to make mistakes, mistakes result in coverups. That is why Irans nuclear program (its bomb program) is in the news so much. But this report was different than Iran attempting a cover up. The UN report said (excerpt)> " Iran’s leadership says that its goal in developing a nuclear program is to generate electricity without dipping into the oil supply it prefers to sell abroad, and to provide fuel for medical reactors. But a United Nations report released in November 2011 challenged that claim."

I was showing that Iran was lying about its intentions and agreeing that if Iran continues to lie the reactors should be eliminated by what ever means necessary.

Rev A

 

Don't forget- the Israelis state that Iran has no bomb program. How does that make you feel, after all these posts condemning a program which doesn't exist ? It has sunk in, has it ?

 

For the last 20 years, you've been arguing that Iran lied about the nukes that it is supposed have built in 1993 and never built, and the best thing that you've got to support your position is that Israeli figures that Iran hasn't decided to build nukes while the US can't prove anything.

 

Well if they have then all that fearmongering about crazy Muslims using the nuke seems to be false then does it not ? On the other side of the coin we have Israel saying that Iran have not even decided if they will make one ?

Neither options seem a justification for all the sabre rattling from US hawks.. let alone for war.

 

Ive read the reports you havent seemingly. Or perhaps you have and decided the content itself is indefensible but attacking the IAEAs newest DG with delusionary conspiracy theories might work. However as Japans resident rep at the IAEA he had access to all the evidence Im sure to make an informed judgement and as a Japanese citizen he knows all to well the danger of proliferation. In other words, he like all of the other IAEA member states that have supported continued sanctions vs Iran over the years,the states that put the man in position as the DG, can see the wrinting on the wall.

I posted the link to report, Im not using foxnews spin on it. Im cutting and pasting direct content.

Each time encouraging folks to read it all.

You must be sad the anti US / anti Israel ElBaradei is gone, Irans biggest punching bag and most profound enabler called it quits. Talk about agenda, politics and bias....and 'being in the pocket'.

In case you havent noticed, Iran has been playing the IAEA for years. After years of being on noncompliance the IAEA, under ElBaradei, after much stonewalling by Elbaradei,Iran (and ElBaradei) could not stop the UNSC any longer, even China and Russia agreed Iran was pursuing weapons. Sanctions were levied. In the aftermath,the world offered to get Iran on its feet again if Iran would be willing to adhere to safeguard agreements and stop enrichment. FAIL on both counts, to the sanctions continued...each time w/ ElBaradei acting as a diplomat,apologist and lackey of Iran instead of the objective observer he was tasked to be. As soon as he left the IAEA he began to touting Iranian official state position almost verbatim on all kinds of issues. Since were floating conspiracies ,did you hear the one about ElBaradei obtaining 7 million dollars from the Iranians for his Front for Change movement?

I thinks its important to note ElBaradei who had always been at odds with the US thanks to his personal opinions on Iraq is also at odds with most of the planet in regards to Irans nuclear illegality.


Yes thanks wikileaks....shocking the US would want an Director,instead of an Iranian advocate, who actually acknowledges the evidence instead of mitigating and burying or denying it.

From your link:

Sadly ElBaradei is much worse than an intermediary, he was a tool,unwittingly or willingly,doesnt matter at this point, of the Iranians.


Irans had years and years to make things right. Games are over.

 

I didnt see that quote...could you post it please.

I saw "hasnt decided to make a bomb".

 

That differs from the US claim that Iran has had nukes since 1993. Now, it's changed to figure that Iran hasn't decided to build any nukes.

 

Oh, you mean that IRAN HASN'T DECIDED TO MAKE A BOMB do you, Relevant ' ? Just confirm for us that IRAN HASN'T DECIDED TO MAKE A BOMB would you, please

 

But you said no bomb program.

 

Just confirm for us that IRAN HASN'T DECIDED TO MAKE A BOMB would you, please
I want people to see the picayunishness of your quibble.

 

No you might try reading my posts if you are going to attempt to criticize my intelligence, it seems that its you that can not read or are so anxious to fulfill your propaganda duty that mypotica' has overtook your credibility.

Nevertheless I will address your comment using a different scenario. First what Israel and the west really claims about Iranian nuclear ambitions. They are of the conviction that Iran has developed the process to the point of taking the final step, but they have not been working on that final step. Here is an excerpt "the position of the US intelligence community that Iran is not currently building a nuclear weapon. The US position appears to be that Iran is seeking the ability to build a weapon, without actually taking that final step. .

That said NETANYAHU may be appeasing a Iranian rabid dog. Thereby calming the Iranians before the storm so to speak, a very old military tactic. Personally I take the same view that is publicly proffered. Iran has already did the difficult work and has the foundation to build a bomb, and now is hopefully wise enough, having escaped the embargo or air strike bullet to wait until the time is right to build a A bomb. I have a gut feeling Iran and other small radical countries have a few A bombs already, bought from the failing USSR etc.

So my opinion of Iran has not changed. They are not to be trusted as long at they retain the current political structure.

Rev A

 

DON'T DO IT MR RELEVANT ha ha! You are on the right track, moon and his cheerleaders are attempting via the picayunishness of thier propagandist quibble to attempt a smoke and mirror deception! Look everyone, it's in the written word that Iran has decided to get the bits and pieces, the engineers the centrifuges and the industrial equipment in place to build a bomb in short order. They have simply ceased working on the last stage. According to the recent NY times article the UN weapon inspectors agrees with the above assessment~

reva

 

And yet you were gullible enough to elect the imbecilic, mendacious George Bush, TWICE!

 

I dont think Iran has made a bomb yet. Once they have one of course its too late for peaceful resolutions. Thats how nonviolent nonproliferation enforcement works. They of course are working mightily on all aspects of the a nuclear weapon but its highly unlikely, thanks to proactive efforts by many states , theyve actually built one. Iran has hit some snags over the last few years but just a month ago Barak has said Iran was a year or less away from a device....without a program in place this is simply impossible. Did he just magically change his mind.

Its not quibbling over minutia....its called being specific and attention to detail.

Try it sometime.

You and I know both know youre manipulating (shocking I know) the actual assessment of Irans "peaceful" program...but theres no such dissention in Israel. They know Irans working on nukes and speculate they havent decided to bulid a bomb yet for whatever reason, perhaps the difficulties theyve encountered, perhaps the realization once they cross that line theyre in serious trouble.

Make no mistake there is a "program".

 

It's a crushing defeat for the bombhead brigade. There is no bomb in Iran. There isn't even a bomb program. There isn't even a decision to make a bomb. That's the Israeli assessment.


Glug!

'Bye, 'bye, bombheads.

 

Ah yes 'Bush lied'....lol

Youre gullible enough to beleive,proven liar and tyrant Ahmedinjad when he says its all for energy.

Youre not a good judge of gullibility.

You excel at hypocrisy tho.

 

Defeat? You havent actually backed up your thread title yet. Doesnt that make you the loser?

Who said there was no program?.....Im waiting for the link.