Russia warns of 'grave consequences' re: Iran

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  1. diligent

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    Stalin was totally unprepared, because he was more intent on murdering and torturing his opponents, than taking urgent steps to protect his nation from the threats emanating from the German/Nazi war machine. Contrast that attitude to that of Churchill, who constantly reminded the nation of its imminent threat from Facism. If only his country had listened to him earlier and even later, when he warned the world of the threat from behind the Iron Curtain
     
  2. Hugilanim

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    Your Western leaders Churchill, Roosevelt was evaluated as a crucial part of the USSR, without which the victory over the Nazis and Japan was impossible. Read their memoirs, and you can see for yourself.

    This proves your incompetence or ignorance of the history of Western propaganda or is likely it all together.
     
  3. Albert Di Salvo

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    Victory over Nazi Germany was not possible without the Soviet Union. However, as it turned out Soviet forces weren't necessary for the defeat of Imperial Japan.
     
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    As part of the Kwantung Army and its subordinate troops there were 37 infantry divisions and 7 cavalry divisions, 22 infantry divisions, two armored and two cavalry brigades (of 1 million 320 thousand persons), 1,155 tanks, 6260 guns, 1900 aircraft and 25 warships. The Kwantung Army had also bacteriological weapons, prepared for use against Soviet troops

    As a result of the defeat of the Kwantung Army, Japan lost its real strength and opportunities for continuing the war on the continent. And as part of Japan on the island at that time was not combat-ready military units, the September 2, 1945, Japan was forced to sign the instrument of surrender.

    Nuclear strikes were purely propagandistic in nature and could not be of decisive importance in the victory over Japan.
     
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  6. Albert Di Salvo

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    Japan's Kwantung Army was a hollow force drained to fight Chinese in East Asia and the US in the Pacific War. The fact that the Red Army was able to crush them so completely in one week is evidence proving the hollowness of the force.

    The Soviet forces were not necessary to defeat Japan militarily. However, there was a psychological element in the Soviet entry into the Pacific War. The Japanese were afraid of occupation of Hokkaido by Soviet troops. The Japanese saw how the Red Army treated the defeated Germans.

    As a result the Japanese decided to surrender before the Soviets were able to invade Japan proper. The Japanese surrendered on August 15, 1945, but signed the instrument of surrender on September 2, 1945. The surrender in August brought hostilities to an end before the Soviets could place forces on Hokkaido.
     
  7. Hugilanim

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    The Americans have not won a single war, and trying to dominate the world, rewrite history, that is brainwashed the average American.
    When talking about «Anyone with an ounce of knowledge» it only applies to the United States and its satellites, and most of humanity (Russia, China, India and others) knows the real story, not invented by Americans.
     
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    What a different world from 20 years ago.

    Now Russia is the voice of reason relative to America?!?
     
  9. Albert Di Salvo

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    British are unreliable and faithless. The guy you're talking to is British. Nuf said.
     
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    Roosevelt wrote memoirs?

    Nazi German defeat was inevitable when they were never able to muster an invasion of the British Isles and thus left an inplacable enemy just a couple of dozen miles from their conquests.
     
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    Learn the history and preferably not on American textbooks.
    American ignorance is astounding.
     
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    Exactly....like Katyn?
     
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    weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq?
     
  14. Albert Di Salvo

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    This is an example of the hostility that will prevent Russia and America from working together in the future. I believe it to be the prevailing Russian attitude.
     
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    They found none and I have always said it was a gigantic mistake invading Iraq AND Afghanistan.


    Now what do you have to say about Katyn?
     
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    Stalin was unprepared for an attack from Germany because he had signed a non-agression pact with the Nazis. Barbarossa was a total surprise and has nothing to do with competence.
    Indeed Stalin later proved just how capable he was by drawing Hitler further and further into Russia, thus extending his supply lines beyond sustainability, and utterly defeating the Nazis in the process.

    As for the Soviet 'threat' during the Cold War, I have previously posted links to de-classified Home Office documents which stated that the USSR had had no intention of starting wars and were, in fact, '...cautious and realistic and...continued to make contacts in all fields with the West and to maintain a limited but increasing political dialogue with NATO powers'. The 'International Communist Conspiracy' was a fraud and a myth in the same way that 'Global Jihad' is a fraud and a myth.
     
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    Bingo, we have a winner...
     
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    LOL at this sickening diatribe. Which ayatolah shat in your cereal anyway? Don't know what country you reside in, but iranis no threat to the US. Let Iran deal with Iran. You stick your nose up other peoples poop chutes it starts to stink real quick.

    BTW...when's the last time Iran invaded another country? Before Abe Lincoln was elected...that's when.
     
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    I agree.....
     
  20. diligent

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    I am not stating that America won WW11 alone,with or without Errol Flynn. But there are some on this site who, for their own jaundiced anti-American political ends, constantly play down the vital role it played in WW11 and, unlike Europe (UK excepted) and Russia, it had to fight on two fronts, in the Atlantic and the Pacific. The Russians laughingly came into the war against Japan after Japan had been comprehensively beaten by the USA.

    There is no doubt that the Russians suffered the most from WW11, the fault for which lies squarely at the foot of one of the most despicable tyrants of the last century STALIN. And that's inspite of the extensive help given to Russia by the UK and the USA. And,of course, who can forget the fact that Stalin made a secret pact with Hitler and, unlike Churchill, made hardly any attempt to prepare his nation for the war that was to come.

    It sems that your memory of WW11 is based on all those awfull Hollywood movies, instead of the real history of that period.
     
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    You evidently need an an urgent lesson in WW11 history, as you clearly have never heard of (or maybe you just have an ingrained bias against the West)):

    - the Cuban Missile Crisis;

    - the Berlin War;

    - the brutal invasion of Checkslovakia by the Soviets;

    - the brutal invasion of Hungary by the Soviets;

    - the Katyn massacre of thousands of Polish officers on the order of Stalin;

    - the Cambridge Spies.

    It is clear you need a 20th century history lesson URGENTLY!
     
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    No dilligent sadly per my experience that would not do one teeny weenie bit of good. There are people here on this page that claim the holocaust was no big thing etc. If it does not square with their anti west mantra it did not happen. I would guess Irans fate would depend on timing. If the west needed a diversion bad enough yep the USA would swat that little nation with its aggravating as a swarm of dog pecker gnats president in a heart beat to win an election etc. I happen to like Russia, and would like to see a real Russia/USA merge. Still I dont trust them 100%. However, with a merge like that the world would be ours.

    reava
     
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    Oh yeah jolly ole England! If it were not for the wuss of a Englishman Chamberlains peace treaty the non aggression treaty which gave Hitler carte blanche to attack his neighbors without fear of England's reprisal , Hitler could not have moved with the confidence speed and devastation that was Blitzkrieg in Europe. What a dupe England and Chamberlain was! However I do have some friends in London and surrounding country, luckily most of its citizens are not those that bash the USA here, and are good people.

    reva
     
  25. JohnConstantine

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    Is anyone else getting tired of this line. Change the record I say, the fact that you don't like Muslims needs no more affirmation.

    Shame the original article is gone... but I agree with the OP, America should not invade Iran, it will be a sad day if they do.
     

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