Palestinian Statehood ( Part 3 )

Why are you utterly horrified with the simply harmless fact that the nation of Palestine is recognized by people who don't hate Semites? It's a pitty that Zionism can't be less racist.

 

That's the Zionist way of saying that one would rather dance in the streets with great joy and happiness when hated Semites are slaughtered, rather than accepting their nation along with everyone else.

 

HAHAHAHA - I'm also waiting to hear what else our Rev from Jack Daniels county has to say . The plonker also have no understanding of "ownership" - "legitimate" Title.



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Condell had posted 100 video monologues on various video sites as of August 2011, which together had notched up over 35 million hits,[3][23] and his videos have been translated and subtitled into 14 languages on the dotSUB collaborative platform.[24] In September 2009, he was one of the top ten most subscribed users on YouTube in the United Kingdom and the most subscribed to comedian of all time in the UK.[25][26] Eight of his videos are in the top hundred most commented on videos in the UK.[27] His videos have caused Condell to receive hundreds of death threats and also a significant amount of support.[28][29][30]

His videos have been featured on websites and blogs, including Little Green Footballs,[31] YouTube,[32] LiveLeak,[23] Jihad Watch,[33] MilkandCookies,[34] Kathy Shaidle's blog,[35] Geert Wilders, the leader of the political party Party for Freedom website,[36] PZ Myers' blog Pharyngula,[37] and Richard Dawkins' website.[38] In 2007 one of Condell's YouTube videos was used in a presentation by Sir Harold Kroto, recipient of the 1996 Nobel Prize for Chemistry, at the Beyond Belief symposium.[39][40]

Condell's first video, uploaded to YouTube on February 8, 2007[41] was his participation in The Blasphemy Challenge,[42] an Internet-based project which aims to get atheists to come out and declare themselves as atheists.[43] The challenge asks atheists to submit videos to the website YouTube, in which they record themselves blaspheming or denying the existence of the Holy Spirit.[44][45]

Pat Condell Finally gets it on Israel

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVx_7ER09Y&feature=player_embedded"]Pat Condell Finally Gets it on Israel - YouTube[/ame]

The religion of fear

http://youtu.be/W3_qelW5qp4

Let's blame the Jews

http://youtu.be/eIesXORjBps

 

Sure, and one of them was mine. However, like the other 34 million or so curious viewers I quickly recognized ' an insulting, degenerate racist ' when I saw one.

 

Bendor , get this - Condell is nothing more than a third rate clown/comedian.

I hope if you went for a TV audition - you'd be funnier / less stupid and perhaps even more successful, as Condell.


tatty-byeeee ,
Its a pity you could'nt address any points raised by Shlomo Sand and prefer listening to clowns like Condell. Hmmm.


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You missed a couple...

Islam in Europe

http://youtu.be/nI5WoXpmPiM

Wake up, America

http://youtu.be/KjSjpNe1-Vc

 

delete brain fart~

 

Some of the attributes of nationhood are:

A common postulated interrelationship - a "blood" bond between members. This blood relationship may be actual, but more often, it derives from myth.

A shared cultural heritage. This heritage, and particularly the cultural artifacts (and sometimes also, institutional structures) that it has created, represents the "patrimony" of the nation, and is often invested with considerable sentimental value, to the extent that attacks on it are responded to with violent emotion.

Linguistic coherence, in the form of one or more languages identified with the national identity. The more unique or difficult these languages are, the stronger the emotional attachment to them, as something that must be defended. In the world of mass telecommunications and the omnipresence of English as a lingua franca, bitter struggles are taking place all over the world to protect the national languages (most notably, in Iceland and France).

A sense of identification by members with the nation. The idea of national affiliation is a deep-rooted one in the human psyche, and members of a nation suffer a very visceral response to any threat against it, real or perceived.

None of the above can 'HONESTLY' apply to Terrorist organizations, i.e. Hamas, Hizballa, PLO, PA, etc., They are not homogeneous, they are a rag tag pretenders/opportunists from all parts of the Arab world and Muslim Europe i.e. Bosnia, Albania, Chechen and the Caucasus...

 

Actually, the Palestinians have all those attributes. In fact, it is the Israelis - or in this sense more specifically Israeli Jews - whom are not homogenous. You find Arab Jews (Sephardic or Mizrahi as they are called) from all over the Arab world who don't share the same culture, in fact when they first came to Israel they integrated and fit in more with the Palestinians in Israel. Then you have the European Jews (or Ashkenazi), who made their own culture in Europe, Yiddish. And then just about everything else in between, such as the Jews from Africa.

 

Is'nt that just like yr normal postings ? LOL


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Absolutely Khalil - Our Israeli Hasbarists friends either try to hide/ignore or are simply ignorant of.

This is long but a very informative read " Reflections of An
ARAB JEW by Ella Habiba Shohat. (Extract :

"Our history simply cannot be discussed in European Jewish terminology. As Iraqi Jews, while retaining a communal identity, we were generally well integrated and indigenous to the country, forming an inseparable part of its social and cultural life. Thoroughly Arabized, we used Arabic even in hymns and religious ceremonies. The liberal and secular trends of the 20th century engendered an even stronger association of Iraqi Jews and Arab culture, which brought Jews into an extremely active arena in public and cultural life. Prominent Jewish writers, poets and scholars played a vital role in Arab culture, distinguishing themselves in Arabic speaking theater, in music, as singers, composers, and players of traditional instruments.

In Egypt, Morocco, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Tunisia, Jews became members of legislatures, of municipal councils, of the judiciary, and even occupied high economic positions. (The finance minister of Iraq in the '40s was Ishak Sasson, and in Egypt, Jamas Sanua--higher positions, ironically, than those our community had generally achieved within the Jewish state until the 1990s!)

The same historical process that dispossessed Palestinians of their property, lands and national-political rights, was linked to the dispossession of Middle Eastern and North African Jews of their property, lands, and rootedness in Muslim countries. As refugees, or mass immigrants (depending on one's political perspective), we were forced to leave everything behind and give up our Iraqi passports. The same process also affected our uprootedness or ambiguous positioning within Israel itself, where we have been systematically discriminated against by institutions that deployed their energies and material to the consistent advantage of European Jews and to the consistent disadvantage of Oriental Jews. Even our physiognomies betray us, leading to internalized colonialism or physical misperception. Sephardic Oriental women often dye their dark hair blond, while the men have more than once been arrested or beaten when mistaken for Palestinians. What for Ashkenazi immigrants from Russian and Poland was a social aliya (literally "ascent") was for Oriental Sephardic Jews a yerida ("descent").

Stripped of our history, we have been forced by our no-exit situation to repress our collective nostalgia, at least within the public sphere.

The pervasive notion of "one people" reunited in their ancient homeland actively disauthorizes any affectionate memory of life before Israel. We have never been allowed to mourn a trauma that the images of Iraq's destruction only intensified and crystallized for some of us. Our cultural creativity in Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic is hardly studied in Israeli schools, and it is becoming difficult to convince our children that we actually did exist there, and that some of us are still there in Iraq, Morocco, Yemen and Iran.

Western media much prefer the spectacle of the triumphant progress of Western technology to the survival of the peoples and cultures of the Middle East. The case of Arab Jews is just one of many elisions


READ MORE :

http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation/arab_jew.html



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Thanks for the response! I don't truly understand the origin or meaning of, "the chosen people". But it comes up from time to time as if it is supposed to have some application to current affairs. Hopefully, some "ultimate authority" will come forward to explain what "chosen" means, if anything, and what it has to do with present-day Israel. Perhaps someone will pass this question to some well informed and reputable scholar who can speak with authority to this issue.

 

I believe that a psychiatrist might prove more appropriate.

 

Palestine is an area in the Middle East and not a country... Palestinian is an "INVENTED' word...

The above shows to what extend you have been indoctrinated on falsehood...

Dispersed Jews out of their land/patrimony have embraced the attributes of the countries they lived in... in Egypt for instance and in Babylon the Jews were there before the Arab conquests... you cannot fault the Jews because of the outrage of the Babylonians', the Romans' and now the Arab countries ...

BTW Sephardic means from Sepharad = Spain. vs Ashkenaze means from Germany also meaning Europe... Jews from Bulgaria, Holland, part of Italy, Greece and Turkey are Sepharadim although from Europe.

 

Which lab was I made in?

 

And what exactly did Zionism do once it was invented? It went on and created a invented state, with an invented people - the Israelis.

And my point still stands, Jews, are not a nation, and are not homogenous. Their nationalities were from all over Europe, like French, German, Polish, or from the Middle East, like Iraqis, Moroccans, Yemeni, and even some from Africa. They weren't some imaginary "Jewish nationality".

Every word, is an invented word. Call Palestine an "area" if you'd like, or even call it a "geographical region, state, nation" whatever suites you best! All nations, all countries, they are invention of the human mind.

 

"ultimate authority " ? hmmm . every Israeli + Zionist considers him/her-self as "ultimate authorities " on every question, And use the term "chosen" in whichever direction they so choose to justify whatever they do , including the dispossession of Palestinian in order to create the zionist entity called "Israel", where the overwhelming number of Jews behave arrogantly as if they are superior to Gentiles/Goyim - non-Jews .

I dont know whether you'll accept Albert Einstein as a " well informed and reputable scholar " however , he is reported to have said :

" For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people.
As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."

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Dear Albert did not live long enough to witness the Zionist Jewish, their arrogance + transformation no longer " protected from the worst cancers" In some respects towards unarmed non-Jews , Israeli soldiers behave no better than the Nazis did.




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Marlowe said: We have been forced by our no-exit situation to repress our collective nostalgia, at least within the public sphere.

The violent 20th century conflict in Ireland was also fueled by collective ethnic and religious nostalgia as well as ancient history. Of course, any analogy between Ireland and Palestine is at best, risky. For one thing, Ireland has no "Jerusalem" to serve as a nonnegotiable item . Nevertheless, an arrangement was achieved albeit somewhat tenuous. Belfast and Dublin are no longer in the same Country. (see image, below).

Three things can be learned from the 20th century conflict in Ireland: (1) Nonnegotiable items must be eliminated at the outset; (2) Outside force, e.g., the UK, is required to impose a solution which neither side will find wholly acceptable; and (3) Subject to 1 and 2 above, it can be done! The only workable outside force is the United Nations. However, the UN will not be "United" until the United States gets on board!

 

Marlowe said Einstein said: "I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."

I totally agree with Einstein! However, "the chosen people" concept comes up from time to time and in the beginning most likely arose from some religious context. The "chosen people" concept may be bullsh*t but even bullsh*t has to have a beginning somewhere, somehow (see my original post).

The question is, where did this concept come from and what does it mean? Einstein is right; the concept has no validity. But Einstein did not address the question. I suspect he saw no reason to address the origin of bullsh*t. Nevertheless, the question remains: What is the origin and meaning of, "the chosen people"?

 

Reality/Truth/Real History make a lot of disappointed people, sorry about that!

 

You are confusing a political movement (Zionism) with a people JEWS!
You can carry your indoctrination to no end... I am not stopping you!

 

Do you really have nothing better to say? you're confusing yourself. The movement Zionism was to invent a state, with an invented people. Israel. They tired making all Jews, whom are not homogenous into one "Jewish nationality"

 

What do I have to be disappointed about? You haven't proven anything. The only thing that has been proven here is that Jews are not a homogenous people, but Palestinians are. It seems to me it would make more sense to say you're the invented one (don't take that personally).

 

Khalil said: The only thing that has been proven here is that Jews are not a homogenous people, but Palestinians are.

Khalil has a valid point; and genetic science has something to say about the origin of present-day Israelis. DNA evidence does not support a claim that present-day Jewish people living in Israel are the actual descendants of the ancient Israelites. Judaism is a religion comprised of numerous and various peoples of all races and ethnicities. Israelites are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Israelites are scattered around the world and can be found practicing every religion.

Judaism is a religion; but unlike other religions, Judaism does not encourage outsiders, i.e., gentiles, to join the faith. Membership is acquired at birth by way of one's father, mother or both. The Nation of Israel is based on a religion descended from the ancient israelites, not people. Haplogroup J is one of the major male lines of all living men. It is divided into two main branches referred to as J1 and J2. Haplogroup J1 is the only Semitic Haplogroup recognized by geneticists. See Haplogroup J at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J_(Y-DNA)