Christian "American Idol" contestant defies warnings from leftist producers

It would serve them right if Manning got hurt. Tebow's a good Christian and they did him wrong.

It serves them right that those tornadoes struck. They don't pray enough.

It serves them right that those hurricanes destroyed their city. They abandoned god.

And on and on.

Robertson's brand of Christian bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

You are un-American if you support Robertson.

 

At least now you arent trying to backpeddle away from your disdian for Pat by pretending I missed the point. Best just to be honest from the get go dont you think?

Pat could have told you the sky was blue, and you'd have an issue wiht it because it's Pat..as I said earlier.

 

Says who? Not being a religious man myself, the fact I would stick up for Pat, and other peoples religious views at all, makes me twice the American you are.

 

Oh no, you missed the point and I was perfectly honest.
I have an issue with Pat because he's one of the most UN-Christian people on the planet.

Obviously you think it's ok to wish harm on people or blame them for their hardships. Good for you. Go with god....or at least your god.

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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Ghandi

 

No gods for me thank you.

 

If someone said on American Idol: I love the Easter Bunny would everyone who believes in the Easter Bunny be offended?

My grandfather was an atheist. He didn't believe in the existence of a God. He thought it was all hooey, but you only discovered this if you asked him about it. When I think of real atheists, not the anti-religionists/anti-christianists, I think of him. You could have an intellectual debate on the merits of religion and at the end of the day everyone was still friends. I've met only a few atheists like him.

Most are not just atheists, but act like the discussion of gods creates an allergic reaction that threatens their very existence on the planet. I don't believe in pledging an allegiance to an inanimate object. I'll pledge my allegiance to a friend of mine, but to a flag seems very ridiculous and lock step. However, I have enough respect for my fellow humans to allow them that moment to say a pledge without acting as though the very sound of the pledge will destroy me somehow.

It's all: Oh my god! That talk of god is oppressing me!! I shouldn't have to hear it or see it. It's not fair! That creche shouldn't be on display because its magnetically drawing my eyes to it and burning the retinas with its religiosity!!!!!! Oh, the inhumanity!!!!

I don't believe in Santa, I'm not a Muslim or Jew, I don't believe in Republicans or Democrats, either, but...I don't act like a baby in public if I happen to look upon these things.

If you DON'T believe in a god, its no different than a unicorn or leprechaun to you so whats the big deal if it's displayed for the pleasure of the people that do believe in it? Seeing Tim Tebow kneel and pray doesn't destroy your eyeballs. It's not even as gut wrenching as the Child Fund commercials.

We've completely lost control of reason and have succumbed to partisan hysteria.

Ohhhhhh, Lawdy Jesus! My Christian values are being oppressed because Ellen Degeneres is in a JC Penny commercial!!!

Tim Tebow just prayed on the field????? The game is RUINED FOR ME NOW. RUINEDDDDDDDD.

Okay, whatever.

 

I'm an agnostic who wants my kids to come to their own conclusions about religion. So I tend to play devil's advocate a lot: when they're down on religion, I take the side of religion. When they're all about religion, I remind them that there are many different religions and quite a few non-believers.

We belong to a Christian church for two reasons: It's a good group of people that does a lot of community outreach, and I want my kids to learn about religion from the inside, not the outside.

So I agree with 99% of what you say.

The only minor place I diverge is over the Pledge of Allegiance. It's not a huge thing -- I'm not out there marching in the streets to remove "Under God" from it; I don't get deeply, personally offended by it.

But as the official Pledge for the whole country, not just believers, "Under God" has no place in it. And indeed, "under God" was only added in 1954. So there's no reason to consider it set in stone now.

So as a matter of both principle and history, I think that phrase should be removed.

But it's roughly #9234 on my list of issues.

 

Uh huh, I don't like the idea of a pledge at all, so...the under God part is just lumped in for me. My sense of personal liberty is offended by the idea of a pledge, but I don't presume to speak for others and will respect their rights to choose to say a pledge to a cloth.

If someone invaded the US I would grab a gun and fight to protect my neighbors, not a flag. My loyalty is to people, not governments, not monuments, and not flags.

But that's just me and everyone has a right to make their own decisions on the subject.

 

The sad part of this whole thing is not the anti-religious crowd screaming about it, it's the fact that American Idol is being watched by so many people.

A kid loving God according to Idol producers is a no-no.

But I bet a half naked girl is perfectly OK right? Or what about a gay guy?

Our mindset is so totally corrupted, no wonder why a good Christian kid is admonished.

How far we have truly fallen as a country. Not to mention that American Idol is actually popular with so many people. You would think that as our country falls apart we would have more important things to do besides worry about a bunch of people trying to sing songs.

 

And I believe liberals suffer from a mental disorder.

What context does that provide to this discussion?

 

I didn't want to get into that, but I agree with that also. I've argued that making kids get up each morning and recite a Pledge of Allegiance is the sort of thing that you expect in totalitarian countries, not democracies.

Yep. I'm ex-Army, but I couldn't care less about flag-burning and distractions like that.

Agreed. I just don't think they should use government power to impose their preferences on the rest of us -- hence my opposition to both the Pledge in general and "under God" specifically.

 

My guess is that the American Idol producers witnessed Tebowmania and thought they might try to script their own version.

You realize that they essentially do casting on that show, looking for specific personalities?......Remember Sanjaya? They put some people in because of their singing ability and others just because they bring some unique personality to the table that will get the show ratings........in the end, ratings are what it's all about.

 

LOL. Agreed.

It wasn't a no-no; it's just that excessive public professions of faith are a turn-off for many people. It's not the faith; it's the show-offedness.

And they didn't tell him he couldn't do it; they just told him it would hurt his chances of winning.

Always.

Depends. Is it a gay guy who is constantly spouting off about gay pride or being gay or thanking his gayness for the gaiety of it all?

Simply *being* gay, like simply *being* a believer, has and should have no impact. It's the excessive, out-of-place behavior that's the problem.

Tell you what. You think America has fallen so far, right? Okay. Here's your challenge:

Pick a year, any year, where you think America was a better, more moral place. Then we'll compare it to the present.

You just have to pick the year. I'm happy to do the comparison work.

If you do this, you'd be the first person to actually take up this challenge.

 

What a perfect example of a LIB who is actually clueless. You put up a pie graph but you couldn't be bothered to add who was polled/where the poll was conducted/ by whom/what the wording of the question was/when the poll was conducted. WISE UP! You're making yourself look ridiculous.

 

agreed.....

 

Ok, why would they say it hurts his chances of winning? How come the gay kids are told to "be themselves" but the God fearing kids can't "be themselves"?

I don't watch this show, never have, never will so all I know about it is what I see in headlines or talked about.

All I am saying is the producers don't pick the winners right? So if a kid wants to be love God, it's not the producers problem is it? That kid is judged on his singing ability right? So what does it matter if he loves God? Let the voters decide if they want him to win or not, the producers are saying things they can't possibly know the results about.

1792.

 

some are sure to miss the meaning of the graph.... the graph was spot on for some Christians that think that way

 

many of our children have no choice, they are forced to say the pledge every morning, if this was not the case, I think it would be less of a issue

 

Really? You want to dispute the point of the chart? Okay. Please make a straight-faced argument that Christians aren't a large majority of the population in the United States.

 

"Be yourself" does not mean "get in the face of everyone you meet."

Inappropriate sharing is inappropriate sharing, be it your gayness or your religiousness.

And you're smarter for it.

They gave him advice. They out to know their show and their audience. He was free to ignore them. In fact, I think he did.

I see a smilie. Is that a serious year?

 

1.) This is the type of weak counter I've come to expect from you. Learn the difference between "songs" and "singers." The show has told the contestant to stop singing christian songs. The show has not told the contestant that he/she cannot participate because of his/her religion.
2.) The producers have the right to prohibit Muslims from being on the show. But they're not that stupid.

 

Since you put it that way, should a black singer be allowed to sing "The Ballad of the Underground Railroad", "Swing Low Sweet Chariot" or "The Gospel Train’s a Comin’"? Do you think the producers would tell him/her to stop those songs? Somehow I doubt they would have the guts. Since it's the audience who votes on the singers and ostensibly their songs, why not let them decide?

 

1) I think the producers will say whatever they want. They're not running some liberal agenda. Their objective is to offend as few viewers as possible. They would probably just tell the singer "don't sing anything that references God."

2) Because the producers care about ratings more than the integrity of the voting system. The competition is supposed to be about the quality of the singer - not the message of their songs. Singing about God would only throw-off the competition.

 

As a long timer AI viewer (I may be the only one on this Forum) & a Christian, I feel compelled to add my 2 cents. These kids get lots of advice. Just on camera, they have the 3 judges, Tommy Hilfinger, Jimmy Ivene & a guest mentor (this past week, Puff Diddy[or whatever name he goes by now] was the mentor) telling them to do this, that or the other thing. Off camera they probably get tons more advice from who knows where. It sounds like to me, the producers were just adding their 2 cents in trying to warn him/them, that they risk alienating potential voters by being any kind of controversial. I think the producers are being ridiculous, because last years winner, Scotty McCreary, was very much "overtly" Christian. I just watch the show, I don't follow the social media, so that was the first time I heard that this kid, Colton, was a Christian. If the kids are "being real" as opposed to appearing to have an agenda, I don't think it will matter, as to how far they go in the show.