Who Are You Voting For and Why?

"they start talking about the other guy"

So you have nothing on Romneys policy positions and how they will lower spending and solve our problems.
And you like Romney because he's so honest? )

 

Lol! You're voting for Romney because OBAMA seems dishonest? XD

 

thats so typical of him.His posts get more and more moronic each time.lol.dont vote for zionest puppet and war mongrel,lets just go out and vote for the other zionest war mongrel romney.

 

Browne was pretty cool. It's a shame he's gone.

 

Hmmm your petty insults aside, I am right here and waiting for the persons I responded to to respond to the points I made

Everyone supports health care reform, the question is do you support Obamacare and the mandate that forces everyone to buy insurance and the government taking over the running of the health care system or do you support a more consumer based system where you still have the freedom to choose your health care.
But are you in favor of steep tax increases as Obama is running on in the belief that will increase revenues or in favor of growing the economy and putting more people back to work paying taxes as a means of increasing government revenues?
Or deep cuts to the military although I have seen no proposals from either side to change the projected spending.
So you are in favor of doing nothing since Obama has proposed NOTHING?
You prefer justices who do not believe the Constitution is what dictates what laws should stand or be rejected?

Says the man in the mirror.

And then you proceeded to project inaccurate opinions on me.

We agree on the former and I can't help you if you haven't paid attention to the GOP reforms that have been offered and yes making it more competitive by allowing insurance to be sold across state lines is just one of the measures. Also making health insurance portable. Also allowing for more expansive and less restrictive MSA's. Do you oppose or favor those measures and these:

The three Republican bills total almost 400 pages and have been on the table since May and June.

In May, Republicans in the House and the Senate formed a bicameral coalition to produce the130-page “Patients Choice Act of 2009.”

In June, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) introduced the “Health Care Freedom Plan,” a 41-page proposal.

And in July, the Republican Study Committee, under the leadership of Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), unveiled the “Empowering Patients First Act,” a 130-page plan.

Hmmm doing that projecting thing again I see. Magically fix, no. Tax reform and low rates spur the economy and growth yes.

Fell free to prove it then, at what capital gains rates have we seen the most business activity and the highest tax revenues?

Care to revise your statement?

"To see if GE was an aberration, we took a look at the 2010 annual reports of the 20 most profitable U.S. companies. Some of the results may surprise you. The average income tax rate within the group was 25.4%. America's three biggest oil companies, ExxonMobil ( XOM - news - people ), Chevron ( CVX - news - people ) and ConocoPhillips ( COP - news - people ), all endure income tax burdens of more than 40%--higher than the statutory U.S. rate of 35%. Exxon, with a 45% rate, tallied $21.6 billion in worldwide income taxes for 2010. Wal-Mart Stores ( WMT - news - people ) paid $7.1 billion (at a rate of 32.4%) in income taxes.

In Detail: What The Top 20 U.S. Companies Pay In Taxes

All these tax burdens are higher than the average citizen pays. So where does General Electric ( GE - news - people ) stand? Contrary to what many in the public seem to think, the conglomerate did pay taxes in 2010. It reported $2.7 billion in cash tax payments during the year, and on its income statement lists a provision for income taxes of $1.05 billion. Considering GE's pretax income of $14.2 billion, that makes for a tax rate of just 7.4%. The only one of the 20 corporate giants with a lower rate was AT&T ( T - news - people ), at -6.4%--but that was only because MaBell won a tax settlement with the IRS that reduced its tax liability by $8.3 billion.

So how to make sense of GE's taxes? The outcry seems to focus on the $5 billion in profits GE made in the U.S. Now if GE were to pay the 35% statutory federal corporate tax rate on that, it would come to $1.75 billion. Yet, as the Times trumpeted, GE has recorded a $3.25 billion tax benefit for the year on its U.S. operations. It's important to understand that this "benefit" is not a refund (which is why the Associated Press should be doubly embarrassed for being fooled Wednesday by a bogus GE press release concocted by the Yes Men that said the conglomerate intended to return its $3.2 billion tax "refund" to the U.S. Treasury). It just represents an amount GE will balance out against other tax obligations.

But why does GE get this benefit? Simple: its finance arm, GE Capital, lost a lot of money during the financial meltdown (roughly $30 billion) and it's still carrying those losses forward and deducting them from current income. As GE spokesman Gary Sheffer wrote in his response to the Times story: "Without these financial crisis losses at GE Capital, GE's tax rate would have been near the average of other multinational corporations." He added, "In short, when you lose money, you don't pay taxes."

If GE's industrial side (maker of jet engines, light bulbs, turbines and such) were a standalone entity, its global tax rate would be 16.8%. It's only after consolidating its results with the GE Capital side that its rate drops down to 7.4%. "
http://www.forbes.com/2011/04/13/ge-exxon-walmart-apple-business-washington-corporate-taxes.html

See above.

$400 billion over 12 years. WOW, but then I don't support those cuts and they present a difference between the parties which was denied.

Hmm those petty insults again. And you got it backwards, if they don't agree with the Constitution they don't agree with me. You said you hoped Obamacare would be overturned and I agree and believe it will based on the Constitution.

And I await the person I was responding to address the points I made with substance and insight. Perhaps more than "well I have a business in two states and can buy insurance in either therefore everyone else can buy insurance across statelines and insurance companies compete across statelines.

Says the man in the mirror.

 

Dude hate to break your heart but nobody knows who Johnson is.Till a week ago or so I did not know who he was and I dont listen to what the corrupt MSM tells me.He doesnt have a dimes chance in the world.The establishment hates him.They hate Ron Paul as well.Paul at least has a chance though because he is americans choice and well known.Better vote for Paul.I know you would rather have Johnson in but wouldnt you want someone who believes in the cosntituion not backed by the zionist who at LEAST has a chance? think about it.

 

your right about the dollar collapsing by then but like I told that other poster,Johnson doesnt have a prayer in the world and your wrong,Paul has those same beliefs as well.You both seriously need to vote for Paul.He at LEAST isnt someone americans havent heard of and unlike him,at least has a huge following.

 

I enjoy it. I mean your BS is so whack it's mostly not worth repsonding to but there are a couple points I particularly enjoy. So I'll address a couple points and then finish with my overall favorite for now:

The Patients' Care Act. Saw it. Lovely. Did nothing for anyone. Didn't include pre-existing conditions. Lots of nebulous blather about market freedom but zero specifics about how any of this would do anything for anyone. Did do a lot to pretect Insurance Companies etc... from those pesky lawsuits that result when they deny coverage! lovely. Also, I believe it was kind enough to phase out Medicare or something along those lines. So i guess really stupid people liked it.

But my personal favorite:

"if they don't agree with the Constitution they don't agree with me."

So then you're a Constitutional Lawyer? You hung out with The Founding Fathers? What are your qualifications for determining that by not agreeing with you, the USSC is not agreeing with the USC are what? That you play a guitar in your garage? Post on the internet? Once farted in Independence Hall? Yeah, thought so...

But I love that you "know" that if the USSC doesn't agree with you, they must not be agreeing with the USC!!! Hilarious!
You're not Libertarian by any chance, are you?

 

Gives standing ovation. This is easily the best post on this thread.hands down no contest.Everything else that has been said on this thread is irrelevent.Many of you blind sheople who thing Romney will make any differenceand want him in or Obama again,could learn something from this guy.

I have said it before many times a true american will vote for ONLY ron paul.To vote for Romney or Obama is being a complete idiot.They are here to serve wall street and neither believe in the constitution.the people thaty have said they will vote for Johnson,well I understand why you would want him in and have no problem with that whatsoever except like I said,the average american hasnt heard of Johnson so he doesnt have a dimes chace.Paul at least has a chance although slim since he is not part of the establishment either but since he is at least well known,al the Johnson fans if you were smart,you;ll vote for Paul instead.

Like I said,this is easily the best post on this thread and everything else said throughout this thread is irrelevent,thats why this post got ignored because the romney ann obama lovers know its true but they cant refute these facts.The facts in these threads below is ALSO facts they cant refute and why you are an idiot if you vote for either Romney or Obama cause like this poster said,you are voting for EVIL either way.

http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/253681-obama-romney-debate.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/249820-today-both-obama-romney-called-suckers.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...a-romney-offer-us-voters-election-choice.html

 

It won't be Romney....

 

The fact remains there are differences between the two parties and what they propose, that you don't like either one does not change that fact and no you don't have to be a Constitutional lawyer to understand the Constitution, in fact we have one in high office who clearly does not.

When you want to have an adult discussion of an issue let me know.

 

Got it. So you've never studied it in college, probably not a Civics or PoliSci major but you're an expert.

Okay this should continue to be a fun exchange!

Now I have stated I think ObamaCare will be ruled UnConstitutional so we'll table that one. So what else has led you to the conclusion that Obama clearly does not understand the Constitution?

 

If its for Obama OR Romney,then thats being an idiot,they are both part of NWO agenda backed by the zionists who are there to serve Israel and wall street,not us.Get ready for Romney to be in office whether you like it ot not,he is the poster by for the CFR and is the chosen one.He was at the bilderbergers meeting so I guarantee you,he is the one they have selected and will put in office.

 

And then he'll atttack our buildings dressed as terrorists!

 

as always you prove your in denial and afraid of the truth.I also love your ramblings that Obama hasnt expanded what Bush got started when its a known FACT he has had more drone attacks against civillains in just is first tear years in office than Bush did in his ENTIRE 8 year term.

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=106

 

What remblings about Obama. pray tell, oh whacky one, please quote me!

 

The lack of understanding on current events is astounding.
The so called 'Obamacare' does not include the govt taking over the health care system. It never has and it never will.
We have had a 'consumer based' health care system and it has FAILED, why on earth do you think suddenly it will become a success?

Under the reforms passed by Congress, and up held by the court, you WILL be able to choose your health care, just like always. It will, in theory, cost you less and the insurance companies won't be able to drop you if you screw up and get sick.
It's a win win.
I'm not sure how the right wing propaganda machine has been so successful in fooling so many people time after time but seriously, on something this important I would think each of you would open your eyes and look at a source that hasn't consistently lied to you in the past.

 

The Congressional, Executive, and Judicial branches of government have been de facto privatized. They do what their campaign donors and lobbysist want them to do. Did I say "want?" I'm sorry, I meant "ask," with a capital $. In the meantime, we, the taxpayers, pay their salaries, their health care, their retirement, the "official" trips {sic}, their plane rides back and forth from their districts (golf courses), their endless vacations, the products they advertize on their official "news" organs on the corporate media (products mostly made overseas)....and then when they get voted out, or retire because they "miss" their families (I guess those second homes in Washington we pay for aren't cozy enough for the kids), they turn around and become lobbyists for even more money so they can work to overturn the very laws they helped enact.

If you want to make a choice between corporate enslavement or government enslavement (who work hand-in-hand for their own profiteering, and pretend not to) then have at it.

In the meantime, our government politicans get first-hand stock tips and profit from that, too.

You didn't need to put me on a voter suppresion list, I volunteered for it.

 

The lack of understanding of Obamacare is astounding. Yes it does involve government taking over the health care and health insurance system dictating to both the terms and coverages under penalty of laws and fines and "taxes".

No you won't and the health insurance companies will have it dictated to them what they must provide and what they can cover. You will NOT be able to buy a high deductable cheap policy and self insure yourself for minor health requirements in fact you will not be able to self insure yourself at all.

And that was a total myth told by the Democrats, cost WILL go up and you will be screwed by the government.

 

more opinion masquerading as fact, I see. Classic

 

I'm voting for Romney because I think Obama is 1) dishonest 2) spends too much.

 

"Everyone supports health care reform, the question is do you support Obamacare and the mandate that forces everyone to buy insurance and the government taking over the running of the health care system or do you support a more consumer based system where you still have the freedom to choose your health care."

Yes,I support the PPACA.


"But are you in favor of steep tax increases as Obama is running on in the belief that will increase revenues or in favor of growing the economy and putting more people back to work paying taxes as a means of increasing government revenues?"

In favor of letting some of the Bush tax cuts expire.


"Or deep cuts to the military although I have seen no proposals from either side to change the projected spending."

Yes. The $500B defense cuts agreed to by Dems and Reps in Congress last year are sufficient.


"and privatizing SS/Medicare.
So you are in favor of doing nothing since Obama has proposed NOTHING?"

Yes

"The next POTUS will get to nominate one,maybe 2 SCOTUS justices. I sure don't want any more Scalias,Thomases or Alitos on the Court.
You prefer justices who do not believe the Constitution is what dictates what laws should stand or be rejected?"

That's correct. I do not prefer justices in the mold of Scalia,Thomas or Alito.

 

Says the man in the mirror. I note that you could not refute a single thing I posted.

 

How do you get your health insurance now?

Why when they produced higher revenues to the treasury and shifted more of the tax burden on the upper incomes?

Which over the timespan are nothing compared to what healthcare is going to cost the taxpayer.

So just let them go bankrupt?

 

How do you get your health insurance now?

Through the company I co-own.



"In favor of letting some of the Bush tax cuts expire.
Why when they produced higher revenues to the treasury and shifted more of the tax burden on the upper incomes?"

Yep.


"Yes. The $500B defense cuts agreed to by Dems and Reps in Congress last year are sufficient.
Which over the timespan are nothing compared to what healthcare is going to cost the taxpayer."

Yep

"and privatizing SS/Medicare.
So you are in favor of doing nothing since Obama has proposed NOTHING?"

Yes
So just let them go bankrupt?"

Nope