The Myth of Diversity

Well, to be fair though -- you have to look at the whole picture. You have to make sure to include how a dog was trained. I could take littermates and turn one of them into a teddy bear and another into a killing machine. You can do the same with families. If you take a kid, doesn't matter the race, and you marinate him in a culture of violence and misogyny and drug abuse, you'll be likely to get an adult who is misogynist, violent, and involved in drugs (either using or selling). On the other hand, I could take a kid from the ghetto whose whole family has been on welfare or in jail and who thinks that the way to financial security is to run with a gang and deal drugs, and have him raised by a family much like Mitt Romney's family, and he'll be a businessman.

Genetics doesn't paint the whole picture. The brain can be changed. The Germans of the Roman era were glorified gang bangers and they killed (grusomely so) anyone who they didn't like. Do modern Germans do that? I mean they have the same genetic make-up as the Vikings, so why aren't they ripping people's lungs through their rib cages as they did in the Viking days? For that matter, why don't the Italians pay big bucks to watch men kill each other in soccer stadium? I mean, same genetics, right? Yet the culture, the way they "train" their children has changed radically. So they don't do that anymore.

 

by specifically stating that racists are found in the conservative camp of american politics.. tell me you're not trying to suggest that racists are not found in the liberal camp of american politics..

 

The key is percentages and per capita.


First of all, your math may be correct, but the way you reached your conclusion is wrong.

You say that there were (only) 1,246,248 violent crimes in the u.s. that year. Intuitively a smart person would be suspicious that in a nation of over 300 million there would only be 1 million violent crimes.
Here's where you made a mistake.

You overlooked this fact;

Data collection
The data presented in Crime in the United States reflect the Hierarchy Rule, which requires that only the most serious offense in a multiple-offense criminal incident be counted. The descending order of UCR violent crimes are murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault

So, a criminal could break into a house, kidnap a person, steal a car, rob a drugstore, shoot at the police, rape the victim, murder the victim and spit on the sidewalk and it would only be counted by the UCR as 1 crime. The murder.
In reality there were appx 6 million violent crimes committed in the u.s. that year.

Here are some accurate stats according to population and race. You'll notice a hugely disproportionate number of blacks are represented.
Remember, percentage is the key. According to the raw data, USUALLY whites commit more crime..but notice that as a smaller percentage of the population more crimes are committed by blacks
Fewer blacks but higher numbers, see?

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_49.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_55.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_61.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_67.html

Here are some more stats from solid, reliable, thoroughly researched and verified sources.
This one you've seen before and it's a bit older but will you stipulate that as the population has risen generally so have crime numbers?

Statistics that compare race and crime are hard to locate (for SOME reason) these days.
Statistics
*More than 1,600 Whites are murdered by Blacks each year. Blacks murder Whites at 18 times the rate Whites murder Blacks.
*About 1 million Whites were murdered, robbed, assaulted, or raped by Blacks in 1992
*In the last 30 years, 170 million violent and nonviolent crimes were committed by Blacks against Whites in the U.S.
*Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than Whites, although they comprise only one-seventh of the White population.
*27 million nonviolent crimes were committed in the U.S. in 1992 alone. 31% of the robberies involved Black offenders and White victims; only 2% involved White offenders and Black victims.
The above stats were collected by an Australian reporter, Neil Sheehan, who dug out half-concealed U.S. crime figures for an article in the Sydney Morning Herald (May 2, 1995). The contents of his article, he commented, could not possibly be published or discussed in the U.S. mainstream media.

Paved With Good Intentions, a book by Jared Taylor, also studies crime statistics by race. It must be stressed that Blacks make up only 12% of the population according to the 1990 U.S. census (and Black males about 6%), but they commit a vastly disproportionate number of violent crime.
Mr. Taylor reveals:
1) 58% of all arrests for weapons violations are Blacks.
2) 46% of all arrests for violent crimes are Blacks.
3) 73% of all “justified self-defense” killings are committed by Blacks.
4) 60.5% of all Blacks are armed with some type of weapon at all times.
5) 98% of all youths arrested for gun fights in Atlanta are Blacks.


These are FEDERAL statistics verified by the Department of Justice.


*Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
*Blacks are three times more likely to use a hand gun, and twice more likely to use a knife.
*Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery.
*Forty-five percent of black crime is against whites, 43 against other blacks, and 10 percent against Hispanic.


Federal Statistics of black on white violence, with links and mathematical extrapolation formulas.
http://www.examiner.com/article/fed...links-and-mathematical-extrapolation-formulas

Here are some newer statistics from 2005. Again..race comparisons are VERY VERY hard to collate in these "progressive" times. Not that they're "hidden" but no one likes to see them and they are HARD to find..

The Color of Crime: Race, Crime, and Justice in America. Second, Expanded Edition, 2005

http://colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

Major Findings:

Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.

Crime Rates

Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Interracial Crime

Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

Gangs

Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Incarceration

Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

The Color of Crime is an expanded version of a monograph on crime first published by NCF in 1999.



Of course what do I know?
I'm just a stupidracistignorantredneckbigot, ya know.

 

This thread is too much fun. Eloquent calls for white power are still calls for white power no matter how much you try to sugarcoat it. I'm sure other races have nothing to offer us therefore they should either conform or die?

 

If history of world is accurate, white people have killed more people than any other race on earth. And in a remarkably shorter span of time, with the all time record for mass death in a mere few seconds, at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And the Caucasians have killed nearly every other race out of all proportion to the other races killing Caucasians. Europe from 1000 BC to 1945 AD was just one big Caucasian killing field. See, Caucasians can readily divide themselves up into sub categories to facilitate their religious doctrine of me good, you evil, and God says klll evil, which is you, not me. So when not subjugating the spear throwing aboriginals of lands the Caucasians invade to strip resources away from, they can readily shift to slaughtering themselves for those same resources, once transported back to whichever Fiefdom.(now called corporation).

 

They also invented 99% of the things of any consequence in the history of the world, going from stone knives to the moon in the blink of an (evolutionary) eye.
Some races still haven't figured out running water, electricity and crop rotation yet.
Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.

 

so of the 38 million blacks, what's the accurate number...you didn't seem to like my correct math so you instead went back to the non detailed math.

3.27% was also the number I got by attributing EVERY violent crime to black people...every single one. So the actual number is either lower or if you want to use your rare scenario, near exact.

What is the accurate percentage of us "negroes" who are violent criminals?

Also if you're white you have more of a chance of being killed by a white man than a black man.

and I never called you any of those things, I'm just pointing out your ridiculous confirmation bias.

edit: I am in no way denying there is a problem in the black community...there is, I'm black and actively see it and speak out against it.

What I am combating is your attempts at making it seem like walking next to a black person gets you robbed or killed, or if you're a female, raped...or perhaps all three.

what I am combating is your attempted underlying notion that we are all animals incapable of civilized action.

on those you are wrong, and the numbers clearly show that.

Is there a problem? Hell yes...since the 1970s when the opposition successfully turned peaceful civil rights into ridiculous black power, me phi me, entitlement bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

Should the problem be addressed? Of course...hence why I believe the race excusing bastards Sharpton, Jackson, and any other so called leader does more harm than good.

Are your conclusions woefully incorrect? Absolutely.

 

On the contrary. "Diversity" in a societal context means much more than just being different. It means that those differences do not attract discrimination of any kind but are accepted (and even "celebrated") as contributing to a rich social fabric.

 

One does what one does best.

 

I do not know the exact number of blacks in the country and I proved your numbers are inaccurate and I showed you why in the other post. Did you read my post or is "blah blah blah" (your words) all you see"? Regardless, that doesn't make your argument superior or is it particularly relevant.

You are wrong. I showed you that you are not calculating with the correct numbers.This is from the UCR YOU referenced.
This is how they count crimes.
Data collection

The data presented in Crime in the United States reflect the Hierarchy Rule, which requires that only the most serious offense in a multiple-offense criminal incident be counted. The descending order of UCR violent crimes are murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault
Do you understand those 2 sentences? your data is flawed.

Do you get that? they use the heirarchy rule to count crimes. Multiple crimes are only counted as the most serious crime in the list. Read it until you understand the concept. So the TRUE number of violent crimes in the u.s that year was around 6 million.

You asked that earlier. I still don't know. You tell me and explain how it is relevant.

Yes. Never denied that. We already know that whites are the majority and therefore using raw data they commit more crimes. Anyone can grasp that.
You are purposely ignoring the ratios and per capita numbers.
Blacks are numerically fewer but their crime rates are higher. This has been proven.Repeatedly. It's not that hard to understand and I think you do whether you'll admit it or not.
You understand per capita. right?,

I know. It's called "satire". Sorry for confusing you.

Good. We agree.

I never said anything of the sort. You're obviously exaggerating...wildly...

Really, john..you don't know what my "underlying notions" are...you're projecting and exaggerating....wildly...

John, I'm not "wrong" because I never said anything like that.

I agree and think you're right. I think it started a little earlier though but that doesn't matter.

Agreed.

Read my original post again carefully and re read this one.
Make sure you click this list of links this time and take a moment to look them over. The FBI doesn't lie.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_49.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_55.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_61.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_67.html

They are u.s govt. data and clearly show blacks have a disproportionately high propensity for crime.
the fact is that 13% of the population commit over half of the violent crime in this country.

We can talk about the disproportionately high amount of black on white violence another time...That's a REAL problem that needs to get sorted before it's too late..


EDIT;
Actually, John, the TOTAL black demographic is around 14%...figure half of them are female and they aren't committing as many crimes...so we're down to around 8%...figure some of them are older people and they aren't committing many crimes...let's make the number 7%...some of them are children and they aren't committing very may crimes (arguably)..we're left with around 6% committing over half the violent crime in the country. Incredible isn't it.

 

So what's to be done to fix the problems?

 

that's the question.

For starters the leaders need to stop running to every criminal who was shot during the commission of a crime and let consequences exist for actions...quit feeding into the victim complex of so many black communities. I'm well aware of the hardships black faced and a lot of them are the grandparents and parents of my generation (80s babies). Fortunately for me I wasn't raised with the "(*)(*)(*)(*) whitey" attitude that seems to run rampant through every other member of my racial generation so I was afforded to opportunity to see things more clearly as opposed to from a bubble.

So first and foremost, quit babying us "leaders" Scorn us, scold us, etc. But we are not victims of present action, and the only way to make up for the past is with the future. The black community died with Martin Luther King, and that rage after his and X's deaths permiated through my parents generation and filtered down into their children, my generation. This combined with legitimate cases of police excessive force and maybe a small sprinkling of true racism were used as excuses and created the Gangsta Rap phenomenon which I believe is the biggest issue facing Black America today.

Our leaders are dead and we have impostors in their place. Worshiping criminality and greed, dancing on the graves of the black communities that were building up and actually went through hell just to learn to read. It's cool to be ignorant and an overwhelming number of black people in their little microcosm (which I do not belong to but work around) all feel they are one rap album, one sexy pic (the girls) one jump shot, one party, away from being like the rappers they idolize. I HATE walking down a black neighborhood and seeing trash on the sidewalks when the trashcan is right there...why the (*)(*)(*)(*) should anyone care about us when we don't care about ourselves?

It's a cluster(*)(*)(*)(*) of past prejudice and hardship and literal government boots on our necks + present poor parenting, poor leadership, poor heroes, poor goals.

The only way to fix this is to either get a real leader, who tells it like it is and doesn't baby us, or for the successful or right minded blacks to continue to move out into the burbs, raise their children right, and let the divide become wider. If Lazy Leroy the thug and Shaniqua the block whore want nothing for themselves yet Tyrone and Tasha do, and they do well, and they move out, move on and raise their children right. Eventually there will be two very significant categories of black people...the poor and the middle class...and the poor will have a different class of people to look up to. A class that looks like them. Maybe then they don't wanna be a hardcore whatever the hottest hip-hop group is selling and instead want to be like Tyrone and Tasha.

Our heroes are dead, we are run by demons, and those who can see the light will do what's right. It's a matter of time...

but with our music being so stupidly ingrained in our culture it's almost like we're trying to bring ourselves back.

not sure if I answered you or even made sense, went on a rant there.

 

So 6% of 311 million. so 18million committing half of 1.2 million violent crimes...so 18 million committing 600 thousand violent crimes...

So 3.3% of black males are violent criminals....or let's give them the entire weight again....6.6% of black males are committing violent crimes....

Again, not an excusable number...but not the epidemic you espouse.

The numbers aren't on your side for your fear campaign...if you hate negroes hate them...but don't try and use the numbers to show that we are all violent. You'll find that a small (but not insignificant, I don't want you accusing me of excusing or condoning them) minority are.

Anything else?

 

Great. Thanks for the post.

 

The problem is inherent to the US and UK, where wealth disparity is shockingly large along with the social mobility gap. Non-white people in our societies have historrically not had equality and over time have slipped to the bottom. Now, with their new found equality, benevolently given to them by the white people, they are stuck in a purpetual cycle of poverty (relative to Western norms). People at the bottom of the tree often slip into crime cycles, which is why the flat statistics given by a few bigots on this thread do not show the full picture.

It is obvious that the US and UK have no intention of addressing the poverty gap and therefore the problem will continue. BUT, when things hit flash point, it will not simply be blacks etc... involved, as there are significantly more white people in this demographic. The flash point is inevitable and the governments of both countries would rather build strong police forces to suppress it, rather than address the root cause.

 

John.We've been over this.
For the THIRD TIME NOW. You are cooking the books. I know you aren't stupid, so all that's left is that you're debating dishonestly.
Once more here is where you are making your mistake (on purpose?)
THIS IS HOW THE CRIME NUMBERS ARE CALCULATED FOR THE UCR ACCORDING TO THE FBI.

This is from the FBI site YOU sourced and are now avoiding.
Data collection

The data presented in Crime in the United States reflect the Hierarchy Rule, which requires that only the most serious offense in a multiple-offense criminal incident be counted. The descending order of UCR violent crimes are murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault

Therefore, as I have pointed out twice before;

There were appx 6 million violent crimes that year. NOT 1 million. ACCORDING TO THE FBI.
Do you understand the heirarchy rule? Yes or no, john?

Your numbers but, ok

Exaggeration and strawman.
No one is conducting a "fear campaign

Strawman. I never said I hated negroes. I judge them individually by the content of their character and many are found sorely lacking.

No one said all blacks are violent. I'm just presenting numbers from the FBI. I'm "using" facts to support my argument...You have no facts and your only tactic is denial.
John, I'm noticing a pattern here where you ignore PROVEN FBI STATISTICS FROM THE SOURCE YOU REFERENCED and then try to slip in exaggerations and emotional strawmen.

Here are more FBI stats you selectively ignored the last 2 times I posted them..Disagree with them? Debunk them..merely denying them and saying the FBI is lying is dishonest..and I don't think you expect anyone to really believe that the FBI published false stats just to irritate you, john.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_49.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_55.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_61.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_67.html

I know and they commit a hugely disproportionate number of crimes.
Every thing I said I have backed up with rock solid, proven statistics...most of them from THE FBI...the source YOU referenced. I even posted the LINKS TO THE FBI PAGES..I notice you have ignored those completely.

I'll not have you run me in circles posting the same PROVEN FBI STATISTICS again and again. Look at the links in the previous 2 posts.
I understand you're frustrated but denying truth, reality and PROVEN FBI STATISTICS. Ignoring the truth and saying "nuh uh" isn't going to win this debate. I proved and supported my premise that negroes commit a hugely disproportionate amount of crime. They are 14% of the population and they commit over half the violent crimes in the u.s (The total is NOT 1 million, but 6 million).

You're debating dishonestly. You ask me for proof to support my premise, then when I provide it you ignore it completely or deny it without providing any of your own other than cooking the books in your favor...essentially calling the FBI liars.


Once again here is more truth you refuse to accept. ..I've met the burden of proof for you and went into great detail to support my premise.
If you disagree with them I want you to go line by line and debunk them.

Statistics
*More than 1,600 Whites are murdered by Blacks each year. Blacks murder Whites at 18 times the rate Whites murder Blacks.
*About 1 million Whites were murdered, robbed, assaulted, or raped by Blacks in 1992
*In the last 30 years, 170 million violent and nonviolent crimes were committed by Blacks against Whites in the U.S.
*Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than Whites, although they comprise only one-seventh of the White population.
*27 million nonviolent crimes were committed in the U.S. in 1992 alone. 31% of the robberies involved Black offenders and White victims; only 2% involved White offenders and Black victims.
The above stats were collected by an Australian reporter, Neil Sheehan, who dug out half-concealed U.S. crime figures for an article in the Sydney Morning Herald (May 2, 1995). The contents of his article, he commented, could not possibly be published or discussed in the U.S. mainstream media.

Paved With Good Intentions, a book by Jared Taylor, also studies crime statistics by race. It must be stressed that Blacks make up only 12% of the population according to the 1990 U.S. census (and Black males about 6%), but they commit a vastly disproportionate number of violent crime.
Mr. Taylor reveals:
1) 58% of all arrests for weapons violations are Blacks.
2) 46% of all arrests for violent crimes are Blacks.
3) 73% of all “justified self-defense” killings are committed by Blacks.
4) 60.5% of all Blacks are armed with some type of weapon at all times.
5) 98% of all youths arrested for gun fights in Atlanta are Blacks.


These are FEDERAL statistics verified by the Department of Justice.


*Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
*Blacks are three times more likely to use a hand gun, and twice more likely to use a knife.
*Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery.
*Forty-five percent of black crime is against whites, 43 against other blacks, and 10 percent against Hispanic.


Federal Statistics of black on white violence, with links and mathematical extrapolation formulas.
http://www.examiner.com/article/fede...ation-formulas

Here are some newer statistics from 2005. Again..race comparisons are VERY VERY hard to collate in these "progressive" times. Not that they're "hidden" but no one likes to see them and they are HARD to find..

The Color of Crime: Race, Crime, and Justice in America. Second, Expanded Edition, 2005

http://colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

Major Findings:

Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.

Crime Rates

Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Interracial Crime

Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

Gangs

Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Incarceration

Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

The Color of Crime is an expanded version of a monograph on crime first published by NCF in 1999.

 

Yeah john...just a couple more things and we're done.
Here's how a debate works, john.The 2 sides agree on a premise. One side is pro and the other is con. Each present their arguments and supports those arguments.
I have supported mine with published data from the FBI and other unimpeachable sources. Your "data" has been some theoretical numbers you invented in your own mind. I think it's clear you aren't willing to change your mind no matter WHAT evidence is presented yet you’re inviting me to a situation where you expect me to be open to your "evidence", but are unwilling to play by the same standards yourself.

If you advance a fact and I show that fact to be inaccurate, do not simply throw out another argument as though we are finished. It is important to resolve individual arguments before moving forward.

Also, either provide evidence for your position or against mine.
Do not argue for why you shouldn’t have to be reasonable or for why you shouldn’t need to have evidence on your side.

Whichever position has more supporting evidence is the one that should be accepted as true.

If you start making excuses for why you don’t have evidence or for why you should maintain your position even though it’s unreasonable (while expecting me to abandon mine if your arguments are better), then any sane human being would perceive that you are not playing fair and that you have conceded any arguments on the table.

If you do not value your opinions enough to make them credible, then I have no interest in giving you any more of my time.

At this point, judging by your unfounded, unsupported arguments, you have obviously abandoned honesty and conceded all my opposing arguments.

Essentially, you lost the debate and this discussion is over.

 

and a masterful job you did.

 

you're using numbers from 1992 to support your point...one of the worst years for all violent crime in recorded history...20 years ago...when I was 9. Violent crime has fallen roughly 70% since then...70%. I'm using numbers from 2010 and 2011...2 and 1 years ago...my numbers are more current than yours. And also what is YOUR point...you've already agreed to mine with this comment.

I never denied that they did...in fact I probably mentioned that...but that was never my point. I never denied that fact so again, what's your point?

So there is nothing else to say...you've agreed with my point. And regardless of the fact, yes fact, that blacks are disproportionately more likely to commit crime than any other race does not mean that all blacks are therefore part of that category...which you already accepted.

You throw out all these numbers like they mean a (*)(*)(*)(*) but they do not, my point was a small but not insignificant minority of all black people are violent dangerous criminals....your point is to focus only on the fact that you are disproportionately more likely to be killed or attacked by a black man than a white man...which is also true, but doesn't really paint any sort of picture than a desire to spread FUD around your peers.

So again...what are you trying to prove? You've already accepted my point...so what's yours?

 

John..whether you can admit it or not doesn't matter and I'm not going to rehash this a 4th time. Whether you like the stats or dislike them, they are true and proven.
I proved my major premise and backed it up with evidence. I earned and claim victory in this debate whether you concede or not.
Backpedal, rationalize, justify, maneuver, and sidetrack all you want.

I DO compliment you on your effort and it is VERY refreshing to deal with someone who does play by the rules and acts like an adult.
I enjoyed the exchange with you.

I just have one question?
What is "FUD"? I've never seen that acronym before?

 

thanks...

FUD is Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. I've only seen it used in regards to tech giants like "Google is stealing your data and selling your data to the highest bidder." or "Apple is using slave labor in China for your shiny iDevice." it is a way of bending the truth, or straight up lying to make something or someone seem worse than they are or seem bad when they aren't.

Also I'm really not sure what your point was...we've agreed on mine, and it looks like we've agreed on yours...so I'm not even sure if we were in disagreement over the data, maybe the conclusions or our emotional reactions to the conclusions differ.

I say the black community needs a wake up call and to get back to their 1960s goals...you say the black community is violent and dangerous...but I say yes, they are, but not all of us, and to paint with that broad a brush is disingenuous.

I'm wary of thuggy looking people my (*)(*)(*)(*) self...but I don't judge them forthwith based on that

It's apparent we aren't really reading the data differently...we are just coming to two not so very different conclusions.

 

Thanks for the reply.
These are interesting/dangerous times we live in and no one is safe from anyone anywhere it seems.

My advice to anyone is to remember this;
When seconds count; The cops are minutes away.

Be prepared to "handle your own business" and don't become a victim.


Again, it's been a pleasure, sir.

 

I agree with that too, hence why I feel the cop who shot the father who let rage get in place of common sense was 100% justified.

The reason I am not of the same thought with the Trayvon Martin case is because of the discrepancies in Zimmerman's story and the fact that Trayvon Martin ran away from Zimmerman which is a clear sign of unease or fear. Something happened in the unknown time that I do not believe was Trayvon's fault. The fact that it is unknown means Z will probably walk, but it doesn't change my thought. (please don't comment on this point I'm Trayvoned out, Zimmermaned out when it comes to debating the topic)

 

Diversity is nothing more than a myth propagated by liberal dogma.

 

How can diversity produce comprehensive social cohesion in America?