Moral Bankruptcy, etc

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  1. sparky2

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    I regularly use the term, 'morally bankrupt' when describing the current sitting president.

    I was asked recently what are the sources for this opinion.

    I gladly respond.

    a. I consider any leader, at any level, morally bankrupt when they place their own selfish ambitions above those of the good of the nation, province, or organization.
    That Barack Obama is a self-centered, arrogant, self-serving politician is a matter of public record.
    His own selfish pursuits, frequently at odds with the good of the nation, are also a matter of public record.

    b. His grotesquely-transparent political-pandering I find morally bankrupt.
    Changing his position on gay marriage, right before a huge Hollywood fund-raiser, I find morally repugnant. And shabby.
    Pandering to college students by promising enormous amounts of federal dollars to help with college tuition. What federal dollars exactly? We're 16 trillion dollars in debt for Christ's sake.
    Pandering to welfare recipients by directing the HHS to offer waivers to States of the work requirement. During an election season, no less.
    Morally bankrupt.

    c. Obama's blatant paybacks to the unions I find morally bankrupt.
    His repeal of the NSPS, a blatant payback to the AFGE. The repercussions of this single act inside the federal workforce are staggering.
    More union paybacks:
    Mark Mix, author, "Shortly after getting elected, Obama appointed forced-unionism partisan Hilda Solis to run the Department of Labor. Solis, in combination with numerous Obama executive orders, promptly rolled back any (albeit modest) progress in union boss transparency and disclosure that had been made the prior eight years. Now it is even more difficult for workers to know where their forced dues dollars are being spent.
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    Mix again, "Obama appointed union lawyer Craig Becker to the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), the federal agency that administers and enforces federal labor law. Becker was never confirmed by the U.S. Senate because of bipartisan opposition to his nomination. Obama appointed him to the NLRB anyway, via recess appointment.

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    d. Taking frequent golf vacations, more than any other president in modern history, during times of economic hardships for struggling Americans, I find morally bankrupt.

    e. Going on vacation, and allowing the first lady to travel separately on another Air Force One, at great expense to the taxpayers, I find morally bankrupt. And arrogant.

    f. Campaigning and going on television shows that pander to pinheads, ignoring responsibilities at the UN (and avoiding any appearance of support to Israel all at the same time) I find shameful and disgusting.

    There is more, obviously.
    But I have to go use the leaf blower to clear off the back patio and the driveway out front.

    (I want to get on it before the government outlaws gas engine leaf blowers.)

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    I don't think hes any worse than any other President. The Office kinda requires some pandering and especially since our system is based off getting votes for re-election you do have to kind of keep your side happy.

    Republicans do it also. Stuff like allowing Michelle to take a separate flight just mere hours before he left is just retarded though that might be attributed to him just being stupid.
     
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    I understand where you are coming from, but a man either has a moral compass, or he doesn't.

    Has this president ever done anything that wasn't done out of a spirit of personal gain, personal profit, personal/political maneuvering, and a lust for power and prestige?

    Tell me I am wrong;
    When the Nobel Committee offered him that prize for Peace?
    Don't you think that a morally-grounded world leader would have turned it down, and graciously thanked the committee by saying, "I love the sentiment, but please allow me to actually accomplish something first"?

    The answer is yes.
    A morally-grounded world leader would have turned the prize down outright, and then stepped up and forward as a true leader.
    Not a shabby, maneuvering, slimy, self-centered politician.

    That is what we have for a president at this date in history.
    A shabby, constantly-maneuvering, shape-shifting, slimy, unaccountable, self-centered politician.

    With no moral compass that I have been able to discern.



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    Your OP is loaded with so many blatant lies its disgusting. I don't even know where to begin.
     
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    Every word is the truth.

    Please; begin with the angry, partisan-political, Obama-adoring refutation.

    I welcome the opportunity to educate you.
     
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    How about you prove your lies? Somehow I don't think you can.
     
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    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    Wow, that was very non-partisan of you. Very cool, dude.
     
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    Montoya.

    You seem bright enough.
    Your last post contained no spelling or grammatical errors. I'll give you that much.

    Okay, sit down and take some notes, Junior.

    a. You can't prove anything on the internet.
    You can only provide compelling enough evidence to sway somebody's opinion one way or the other.

    b. If you feel this passionately about your president that you would blurt out, "Your OP is loaded with so many blatant lies its disgusting. I don't even know where to begin", there may not be much hope of swaying your opinion even one inch. Clearly you are blinded by the cult of useless personality, and spoon-fed your opinions by a mainstream media with an agenda.
    Should I even bother trying to pick apart and defend each obvious, documented truth in my OP to you?
    Should I?

    c. Okay, I will try.

    d. Only Woodrow Wilson ever golfed more than Obama while in office. Check all the usual web sites. ALL of them. It's what you will find. It is a fact.
    The current golfer in chief loves the links. He golfs.
    Much like Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

    e. His blatant paybacks to the unions are a matter of public record. Please find anything anywhere that provided evidence that I am wrong about those instances in the OP. Please try.

    f. Jesus God. Gay marriage. When he was running for the Senate, he was for it. When he was running for President in 2008, he was against it. Publicly dead-set against it.
    Earlier this year, right before a huge Hollywood fund-raiser, he was all of a sudden for it again.
    The chronology of his politically-motivated flip-flopping regarding gay marriage can be found anywhere and everywhere on the internet.

    g. Please provide me evidence that Obama met with the Israeli leader last week, instead of pandering for Hollywood votes on The View. PLEASE provide me that evidence.


    Junior, you need to listen more, and spout-off less.

    Really.





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    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    I hate you for making me defend a man who is an unconstitutional terror, but...what has he done for personal gain or profit. Do you have examples?

    I thought it was stupid they nominated him, but I wouldn't expect him to turn it down.

    What president do you think would have turned it down?

    Unlike....?

    Unlike...?
     
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    I would have turned it down.

    That's who.
    Me.
     
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    You have GOT to be kidding me.
    His each and every movement, his every action is personally and politically-motivated.
    Remind me tomorrow, I'll dedicate an entire thread to it.

    Jimmy Carter would have turned it down.
    Harry Truman for sure.

    This jackass is unlike any politician I have ever witnessed.
    Utterly useless, utterly self-absorbed, perplexingly arrogant, and utterly incompetent.


    This dork is unlike any President ever in the history of the nation.
    Utterly corrupt, utterly clueless, perplexingly popular, and completely and utterly morally-bankrupt.
     
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    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    I think I have lower expectations than you when it comes to our presidents. The job seems to attract tools.
     
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    It's our political system.

    If you want to run for office, you have to raise money.

    To raise money, you have to woo and charm the money-men, and make promises to them.
    They give you the money, and now they own you.

    If you are elected, the money men begin to call all the shots, and the newly elected dork begins to lose his or her identity.

    After a few years in Washington DC, they all begin to look and smell the same.
    Bought-and-paid-for politicians, and not leaders.

    Obama is merely the worst of a bad lot.

    Romney is looking to be a bit better, but he is still a politician.
    I have high hopes that he will be a better president than Obama was.
     
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    I will stop reading right there, and pronounce that it is moraly ignorant to just point to the 'current sitting president', when he is so much like the previous turd, and also the turd who wants to unseat him
     
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    peoplevsmedia.
    Really.
    Your avatar.

    It's annoying, and unattractive.

    Change it, please.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Ditto those remarks concerning that guy. But don't forget that 'that guy' is always wrong with every posting here as well.
     
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    Not only have you NOT supported your claims/allegations, you have the nerve to overlook the moral bankruptcy of Corporate America. From clamoring for power and the lust of money (greed), to literally seeking to BUY our elections (tainting our democratic way of living). Disadvantaging the poor and uneducated, to fuel their greed and lust for power, seems to be what the Right is about today. And (also) of late, we have VOTER SUPPRESSION (literally being propagated by REPUBLICAN politicians/organizations). Then Romney, with his vague character, disturbing insincerity and abjectly myopic views of what America is about (47%, indeed)... I'm only surprised by the latest polls, because they are actually reflecting the essentially vile candidate he is. With all the Right is spending to make him look "good" and "decent"... he ought to look better than Billy Graham (morally speaking).

    Barack Obama is head and shoulders above the Republican Candidate in overall character (no significant comparison)... and you come into this forum with this BS. It's sickening.

    Moral bankruptcy??!! Give me a fracking break!!
     

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