WHY ever vote for republicans? Track record is not on their side.

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  1. Mike12

    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    20th century stats:

    DJIA: under republicans +7.3%, democrats +10.3%
    Middle class wage growth: twice as much under democrats vs republicans
    Unemployment rate: 6.3% under republicans, 4.8% under democrats
    National debt: increased by 10.1% under republicans and 3.7% under democrats


    Bush took the largest surplus in history and turned it into becoming the largest defecit in history through tax cuts for wealthiest Americans and increased spending.

    Let's not even talk about the wars bush got us into and how America became so unpopular around the world.

    If Clinton could only come back! I bet all of you republicans would secretly vote for him..:)

    Let's pls not even think of getting Romney into office and continue adding to the republican's inferior track record; let's go with Obama again. He is still trying to clean the mess bush handed him but the country is on the right track. Not even Reagan (republican's hero) could turn this absolute mess around in 4 years (Reagan would have made matters worse).
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, being a democrat reading the democrat playbook would drive you so say that.

    The largest deficit in "world" history is now being driven by Obama so they will have to find a way to lie about that also.
     
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    Obama supporters use the same "Bush's mess" excuse all the time. Yes, thank you, Bush was by all means, not a good president, but what makes Obama so good? If Obama hasn't done anything his first four years, why give him another term? Obama hasn't cleaned any mess up, he has made matters worse. Our economy is in shreds. Obama wasted his years working on a healthcare plan, that is unconstitutional, and ridiculous.

    We need a new president. One that can get this country up and running again. Obama has only pushed us down the drain even more than before.
     
  4. Mike12

    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, this defecit was birthed by bush and now Obama has to raise the child until he grows old and dies which will not be for a while. Blame bush for this defect I mean cutting taxes and increasing spending; this was the bush way

    And your response is the typical nonsense of republicans - 'freedom, freedom, freedom'

    Last time I checked this country has been a free country under democrats, just a better country. It's ignorant and dumb to claim democrats are against freedom but this is what republicans cling to when all else fails.
     
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    Who was driving before Obama?
     
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    Let's hang on just a minute. Your statistics are compiled by Presidential term and as much as anyone would like to think different, the President doesn't really much economic control, at least since Nixon. As much as they have advertised in 2010 and denied ever since, the House is given the government purse strings. Now you can argue that Congress usually follows Presidential leads, but the last two years should be enough to convince you otherwise. So I'll argue it matters more who holds the House in this divided government than who is in the White House as far as the Economy goes.

    So, let's redo your stats by Congress rather than President. Both the train wreck of the 70s and much of the Reagan Golden Age are in the Democratic side. And you can put much of Clinton's success under the Republican column as well as the rather dramatic slow down of the last two years.

    Who is President does indeed matter to many if not most of Government functions. However if Congress ignores his submitted budget, the President can stop a few things but ultimately is along for the ride.
     
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    And, as frequently happens, under Democrats all else actually fails.
     
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    Republicans have to clean up democratic messes which many times equates to spending just a bit to get us back in line. Now that said, neither Party is without fault, it's simply that one Party wants to divide everything equally and the other believes you get what you work for. Would you like to sit at work busting your butt while a co-worker talked n his/her cell phone all day and each of you makes the same money...is that fair?
     
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    Who wants to divide everything equally?
     
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    No sources for any of your "statistics". I'm guessing you just made those numbers up.

    And Obama turned into an even bigger deficit through reckless spending, and now he supports extending Bush's tax cuts for wealthiest Americans, and continued increased spending.

    20th century US wars started by Democrats:
    WWI
    WWII
    Korea
    Vietnam
    Yugoslavia

    Foreign policy that made America unpopular with the world started with Truman recognizing and funding Israel, along with
    the absurd amount of intervention in overthrowing third world governments. The idea that it started with George W. Bush is leftwing Democrat propaganda.

    You're right about this. Clinton is more conservative than Romney is. At least he and his Republican Congress balanced the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing budget and the economy boomed as a result. Both parties have moved way left in the last 20 years.

    Obama didn't turn the mess around. He increased spending, failed to balance the budget, supports continuing the Bush tax cuts, and the economy still hasn't recovered. He's also massively increased the police state as well us gotten us involved in more foreign entanglements like Libya and staying in Afghanistan for another 10 years. Obama is a failure and needs to go.
     
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    i distrust your stats here

    Bush was not fiscally a Republican

    But Reagan was the best president, maybe after Lincoln, that this country has ever had.. things were GREAT when he was in office... the economy got that surplus u refer to... taxes were cut, spending was cut and the only reason he didn't acccomplish more was becaue of Congress...

    but thank God Congress kept Clinton from vetoing the new welfare reforms...

    now we have Mr Tax and Spend to un-do all that happened with that reform and all others...

    but then again... Congress has kept him from doing all that he would do... Thank GOD!

    Communist... that is what O is...

    oh, he doesn't SAY he's a communist????

    well.... guess that means he aint one... (to some people)
     
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    Every Republican president and congress of our lifetimes has exploded the deficit. That's sort of what defines the modern Republicans, their slavish devotion to running up deficits.
     
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    Yeah if only we could get the worlds biggest philanderer back in the Whitehouse and molesting young girls again in the oval office.......

    ....surely that would get the economy booming.
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    @crusader: What about Theodore Roosevelt, FDR, or Dwight D. Eisenhower? Reagan wasn't terrible, but I don't think he can compare to these three.
     
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    1. Welcome to the board :p

    2. Bush was almost as much, the difference largely being the PBS he signed. He still passed a very large tax cut. Reagan also radically increased the national debt and deficit, and begun this stupid trend of increasing military spending that's (largely) responsible for bankrupting the country.

    3. Obama isn't a Communist. Take a second look at his policies in effect. They are very similar to that of every president since 1980.

    4. The United States is by a significant margin the most Conservative developed Western nation on Earth. If Barrack Obama is a Communist then so is pretty much every other country on Earth bar perhaps Switzerland and the Cayman Islands - so you may as well give up now.
     
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    He compares favorably to all of them.
    FDR was our first serious socialist. Obama is following his lead of keeping the unemployment high and pretending to care. It worked for FDR. Obama is hoping it will work for him.
    Eisenhower was right for the time. He didn't do anything which is what the people wanted.
     
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    Entitlement spending, not defense is bankrupting the nation.

    Most people cannot connect the dots until the picture is complete. Obama's Marxism gives him the blueprint. He cannot help that it is taking longer than four years to take us over the European Socialism cliff. Ask him what his plans are for the next four years of we suffer his re-election.
     
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    Americans believe in myths like "work hard and you'll get rich", "if you protect the rich, the rich will always trickle down on you", "capitalism and free markets are the same thing", "government is corrupt but not Wall Street or the bankers", "companies would be responsible on their own and would never foul your air", "George Bush was annointed by God", "Mitt Romney really WANTED to go to Vietnam", "rape is good for the soul", etc. There just ain't no getting past the myths in this country.
     
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    Ain't that the gawdawful truth - no matter how many people they enslave.
     
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    You gave bush the failure a second term, knowing full well he was the worst President in history, why change now?
    Besides Obama is doing a far better job then bush the failure ever did.
     
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    Careful, if you want to the Congress thing and give the republicans credit you have to take into account that the economy doesn't react like a light switch, the delay is roughly 4 years.
     
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    This statistic is pretty misleading. Obama had a massive gain in the stock market as a result of quantitative easing. If you print more money, the money loses value. If the value of the company remains the same, then its value appears to go up in comparison to the dollar because the dollar is so much weaker. This causes the Dow Jones Average to increase, even if the company has no added value. You could conceivably quadruple the Dow Jones Average by going all Robert Mugabe on the money supply, but that means nothing as to how the economy is doing.

    Are you arguing that Obama has made anything, anything at all, better? If you are, I suggest that you are seriously out of the mainstream of American thinking.

    I am not a Republican, but I am conservative. I think anyone who votes straight party line is foolish. After all, it isn't a party that is elected, it is people who hold office, and there are good and bad people in each party. Voting strictly one party is intellectually lazy.
     

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