Sandy Hook school shooting is a hoax

I'm not much for conspiracy theories, but it does seem a tad suspicious how the Obama admin and gun control crowd jumped on this immediately to further their anti-gun agenda.

Maybe the shooting was real, but the culprit was actually an assassin hired by the Obama admin- and he was murdered and made to look like a suicide in order to avoid spilling the beans. Not likely, but the the gun control lobby came out in arms using the death of kids to push their agenda - almost makes them seem like they were salivating over the murder the whole time.

 

Maybe your fantasy exists only in your own head.

Maybe making up stories is a tool people use to cope with realities that they don't want to face.

Maybe just MAYBE the gun control crowd are not psychopathic killers who want to control you. Maybe they are just idealists who react with emotion based solutions. Ooh kinda like people who are scared to face reality so they invent stories that make them feel better about situations.

 

Have you seen the way Robbie Parker, when he doesn't realise he is on camera, laughs before getting into character? It is insulting to everyone who felt sorrow for his child to see him laughing in their faces at the massive fraud he is part of.

If I was a parent of a child at that school I would want to see paramedics rushing in to attend to every child in the hope some could be saved, but that doesn't happen, all reports are that the EMT's were told to wait up the road, and all video evidence and photographic evidence also shows that no ambulances rushed directly to the school where a mass shooting is supposed to have occurred??

If I was a parent of a shot child at that school I would not want the autopsy to be carried out in the school, which is a completely inappropriate venue for such a procedure. Would you want your child stripped, washed, photographed (among other procedures) at a school crime scene rather than a hospital or city morgue?

Which would you rather? To have your child photographed by reporters being removed from the scene in a proper and dignified manner, or to have them hidden inside the school where supposedly the autopsies are performed before they are whisked away in the middle of the night?

Save your indignation for those who are lying to you, not those who are trying to get at the truth.

 

People laugh at funerals all the time. Who are you to judge this man's feelings and reactions during a time of grief?

It does no one any good for the paramedics to be shot too. It's common for police to secure the scene of any violent crime before medical professionals are allowed access. You said in the other thread that you researched this yourself, and that you don't trust the media. Which of the first responders did you speak to about this?

And your desires effect the reality of the situation how exactly?

Not only is this a false dichotomy, my feelings don't effect the reality of the situation either.

Which of the people involved with this incident have you spoken to directly? Which of the parents have you interviewed and told to their face that they are lying? Which of the reporters have you questioned about the accuracy of their reporting? Which of the police have you spoken with to confirm your suspicions? Which of the teachers or students have you spoken with to get their direct testimony?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KElyLrrTLB0

The shooter at V tech despised the victims whom he described as spoilt brats. I cant think of a good reason why the Sandy Hook shooter hates children.

And as these conspiracy theories going viral at these rate, the sandy hook alleged victims will quickly be "pressurised" to speak out. Very soon there will be verdict as the pressure for truth intensifies. If the conspiracists are to be proven dead wrong, it will not be long before we figure out. The entire world is watching.

 

You are dead set right, everyone should watch Robbie Parker laughing and make up their own mind as to whether he's in a genuine mourning period or not.

Lol, the first photographs taken at the scene show no ambulances or EMT's in the school carpark, yet they're evacuating the few children they have at their disposal for this mock up. If it's safe enough for kids to be bought out then it's safe enough for paramedics to go in.

http://lightbox.time.com/2012/12/20/the-story-behind-the-iconic-photograph-from-sandy-hook/#1

These are the very first photo's taken, note that for the evvacuation photo's there are no ambulances or EMT's in the school carpark. There are two photo's taken further up the road which show a parked ambulance and EMT's walking down the road, it is worth noting that the EMT's are casting considerably shorter shadows than the people in the evac photos indicating that these photo's were taken later.

The woman who took these photo's arrived 20 min after the shooting had reportedly stopped, so by then the school should have been swarming with ambulances, EMT's, and SWAT teams.

As much as I would love to question all of the above I live half way around the world, and with each of the families being assigned an armed officer I would think I would not be afforded much opportunity to do so even if I were in the area

 

Maybe you're not mentally ill then. You can't rationalize the irrational behavior of someone who is mentally ill. That's one of the signs that they are mentally ill.

You think we should apply pressure to people already victimized so that you can feel comfortable knowing the true story? Why?

 

Or maybe we should expect people to not victimize victims in order to rationalize an attempt to fabricate a story that makes them feel a little better.

So you haven't spoken to anyone? Is that right? I thought you did an investigation? Where are you getting your information about "the first photographs" Would that be from the media that you called fools? What makes you think the intent of the "first photographs" was to document the ambulance presence? What makes you think the intent was to document the event so that someone halfway around the world could conduct and investigation?

So, you have no access to evidence, you have no access to direct testimony, and you have no access to the scene...but you did an investigation? That's silly.

 

Since I've recently been informed that anyone can "research things for [themselves] without having to speak to people" I just decided to make a quick and dirty diagram of the first 4 photos shown at the site linked by Hooley as "the first photographs taken" to determine just how much area was covered by the photographer(s).



In all there are 8 photos at the site, but the remaining 4 are taken from the same locations as the first 4. We can see that there's a lot of unphotographed area. We can also see ambulances present in "the first photographs taken" with EMTs moving toward the school wheeling stretchers.

Here's his link to make things easier:

http://lightbox.time.com/2012/12/20/the-story-behind-the-iconic-photograph-from-sandy-hook/#1

So, Hooley, how do you reconcile this reality with your assumption that there are no ambulances or EMT's in the school carpark?

 

Have you ever been to a funeral?....people exhibit the whole range of emotions at them


T^o slur the man just because he didn't behave by your little rules, is outrageous....

 

First, as can be seen by the map you have provided, the photographs cover a large area of the carpark including directly in front of the school entrance. Ambulances being taller than cars would be seen if they were there and it would be beyond belief to suggest that a reporter is there and doesn't bother to take photo's of emergency personnel at the scene if they were actually there.

Ambulances would be pretty hard to miss

The photo's with the ambulance in them are taken further up the road, and as I pointed out, are almost certainly taken at a later time due to the shadows being shorter than the evac photo's, also the EMT's do not look to be in too much of a hurry.

Please do not suggest that the emergency response to Sandy Hook is acceptable, with a mass shooting the school carpark area should have been swamped with ambulances.

Do you know that most of the first EMT's on the scene were the Newtown volunteer ambulance corps, and not one of them entered the school? NOT ONE.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...0a-7863a013264b_singlePage.html?tid=obnetwork

So who was the paramedic who told them there were no survivors? How did he get there? There are no ambulances on the immediate scene, was he embedded with the swat teams? No news report tells us who it was that attended all the shooting victims and decided not one could be revived (only a Dr can pronounce someone dead).

26 shooting victims and the EMT's are told to wait outside?

There must have already been at least a few dozen paramedics inside for that to make any sense at all, so who were they? How did they get there? How did they beat the locals so quick? Where did they hide their ambulances?

We will never know, but anyone with half a brain knows BS when they read it, the first responders were told to wait outside because there were no shooting victims, and the ambulances were kept up the road so the helicopters would have a diversion from the mundane scene at the school.

 

The photographs barely cover a 3rd of the area of the parking lot. There's a huge blind spot of area that is not photographed. What's in that area?

And they are not missed in the photographs you posted as "the first photographs taken." They are behind the cruisers that have blocked the access road, forcing medics to wheel stretchers to the school. There can be a number of reasons why the road is blocked, preventing suspects from escaping notwithstanding.

What do you mean most certainly? You mean you are guessing? You said they were the first photos taken. Now they aren't?

You mean you did a full investigation of the emergency response by looking at 8 photos? Alright, Columbo, what time was the first medical team on site and what time were those photos taken?

They had to be cleared to enter by the police. That's the way emergency response works. If it didn't work that way, the volunteers would end up getting shot too.

For someone who did a full investigation, you sure don't know a heck of a lot regarding procedure. Police secure the area, and then medical professionals enter second. It happens that way in every violent crime.

What do you mean "we will never know"? Is that because YOU won't bother to..you know... actually investigate beyond looking at a few photographs and reading some news reports?

 

Sandy Hook massacre: Official story spins out of control

Niall Bradley
Sott.net Tue, 18 Dec 2012
The Newtown Bee
December 14, 2012

Sandy Hook School Principal Dawn Hochsprung told The Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shots - more than she could count - that went "on and on."



http://www.politicalforum.com/attac...oting-hoax-sandy_hook_principal_statement.jpg

How could the principal have survived to give this statement to local press describing what happened ... if she was one of the first to be killed? Incidentally, The Newtown Bee's article was taken down yesterday. Of course, a plausible explanation is that a reporter mistook another teacher for the principal.

http://www.sott.net/article/254873-Sandy-Hook-massacre-Official-story-spins-out-of-control

We were initially told that two handguns - a Glock and a Sig Sauer - were found next to the body of the dead shooter, while a third weapon, a .223-caliber rifle was also recovered "in the trunk of a car" later, in the school's parking lot. All of the weapons were allegedly legally bought and registered in Nancy Lanza's name. The car was later identified as a black Honda, also registered in her name. More weapons have since been introduced to the story but we'll get back to those later on.

Besides anonymous 'law enforcement officials' telling the media that Adam Lanza was a former pupil at the school, they also said his mother was currently a teacher there, that she was found among the dead and that her son had specifically sought out her classroom first. But when it emerged that teaching staff at the school had never heard of a Nancy Lanza, it was suggested that she was a substitute teacher whose name therefore mightn't appear on staff lists.

But this claim too has disappeared down the memory hole because it's now known that neither Nancy nor her son had any connection with the school whatsoever. Adam Lanza was in fact home-schooled. Nancy Lanza has since been painted as a "survivalist" who loved firearms, taught her sons how to shoot and was "stockpiling" because she was "worried about economic collapse."

http://www.sott.net/article/254873-Sandy-Hook-massacre-Official-story-spins-out-of-control

 

Why is the media's hamfisted attempts to cram out a story as fast as possible consistently referred to as "the official story"

Doesn't the official story have to be relayed by an official of some kind?

 

There are two - three distinct psychologies at work here - one is the " I do not want to believe it because that would disrupt my view that America is a safe place" (and some of that is behind the 911 conspiracy as well - they don't really believe the conspiracy - they just don't want to believe bad things happen in America) Another is pure paranoia "THEY are out to get me so THEY are out to fool everyone" - definitely not enough Xanax prescribed over there.

But the final one is not really a conspiracy at all but a deliberate attempt to "muddy the waters" The NRA and it's backers make millions off of Americans being paranoid enough to buy not just some guns but lots and lots and lots of them. Trouble is America is one of the few (legal) markets they have and they do not want to lose it. Sandy Hook incident was definitely bad publicity and it got a lot of Americans talking and wondering if there should not be more restrictions and fewer guns. How best to counter that? Two classical ways firstly to "bad mouth" the people at the centre and we have seen the NRA openly do that "They should have had guns and then they could have defended themselves and stopped the killer" But the other way it to sow doubt on the fact there ever was an incident - after all it is cheap to do hire a couple of people to post on the internet and there are ALWAYS crackpots on the net who would advance your theory for you for free - but you plant the seed of doubt in people's minds and diminish the incident without attacking those at the centre.

Think about it...............

 

Nothing worth photographing obviously, considering the reporter never bothered to point the camera over there.

The evac photo's are the first ones taken, you can tell by the longer shadows hat they were taken earlier than the EMT ones, the reporter was there for over an hour.

You don't seem to understand, the Newtown Abulance corp, who were on the scene as first responders, were told to wait outside, then they were told they were not needed, NONE of them entered the school to attend to the dozens of shooting victims.

 

weren't the victims were all dead?

they probably didn't want the crime scene disturbed

 

Because government controls media. Media report what government want you to know such like WMD for Iraq war and repeated collapse of WTC for 911 attack. But they censored so many information about the truths of 911 attack. We saw a lot of them in internet but rarely saw them on media.

 

here's some of the lunacy coming from your camp:

Sandy Hook smoking guns emerge

In addition to the fact that the car at the scene is registered to a known Florida drug dealer, an incredible amount of facts about the story have been conveniently ignored by a mainstream media that is subsequently altering public perception into generally believing it was a lone-gunman using an assault rifle, neither of which is true.

http://www.examiner.com/article/sandy-hook-was-an-inside-job


but, in reality:

Sandy Hook and Christopher Rodia – Most ‘Conspiracy Theorists’ Can’t Think

Apparently many alternative news pundits and Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists are still fixated on the idea that a man named Christopher Rodia was the REAL owner of the black Honda Civic that has been identified as the car of Adam Lanza’s mother and which was found outside the Sandy Hook elementary school. The basis for this erroneous belief is police scanner audio that was picked up from the morning of Dec. 14th and details Connecticut State Police response to the massacre.

I obtained the original audio files from Radioreference.com. I had to pay a small sum for the full files. I have listened to them, and it is pretty clear that it is rather unlikely that the aforementioned Christopher Rodia had anything to do with the Sandy Hook massacre, even if his name and DOB is mentioned in the audio. This doesn’t seem to dissuade the conspiracy nuts though. In fact, it just makes them even nuttier.

What so many of these nutty people have apparently missed is the fact that the audio files clearly contain police communications about MORE than just the Sandy Hook event.

http://joequinn.net/2013/01/11/sandy-hook-and-christopher-rodia-most-conspiracy-theorists-cant-think/

 

You have no access to evidence either, champ. All you have is a bunch of conflicting stories from the proven liars and obfuscators who run the US media.

 

he's right jack, you're not investigating, you're being silly

 

That's not how it works, in most of the western world nobody can pronounce somebody dead except a doctor, so everybody must be attended to as if they can be revived, especially kids as they are remarkably resilient.

Take the recent well documented case in Pakistan where a girl gets shot in the head, gets taken to hospital and is now walking again... If she was in Sandy Hook she would have been considered dead just because she was shot in the head? And no medical professional would have attended her because they "didn't want the crime scene disturbed"?

It is indefensible, and simply would not have happened were it a real mass shooting.

WRT your posting on whether the car belonged to Chris Rodia or not, I don't know, but it is certainly valid to question who the car belongs to, and although we have been told over and over that he drove his mothers car to the school the below article throws doubt on that:

So did she own the two cars? The CT Post certainly seems to differentiate between owners of the two vehicles but we will now have to wait 90 days before that information is released.

 

oh look, more silliness

 

Everyone wants to cast their favorite villain in the role of bad guy.

Think about it.

The mom is blamed. The dad is blamed. Social status is blamed. Funding for mental care is blamed. The guns are blamed. Access to the guns are blamed. Lack of access to guns are blamed. Gun laws are blamed. Police response is blamed. Medical response is blamed. School security is blamed. Video Games are blamed. Movies are blamed. The Christians blame removing God from schools. I'm sure if you head over to storm front they're working out a way for the Jews to be blamed.

Everyone and everything is blamed because people have a hard time facing the fact that there's nothing they could have done to prevent someone with a misunderstood mental illness from making an irrational decision to kill a whole bunch of children. After all, how can you blame someone who doesn't have the capacity to be responsible for his own actions? That's not very politically correct, is it?

So good luck with that whole NRA operation muddy the waters theory you've got going there. It's not going to solve the issue that caused Lanza to do what he did, and you're doing exactly what some of the other nuts here are doing by fabricating a better story to confirm your biases, but at least you'll feel better knowing you've got it figured out.

 

That is an idiotic non response to some valid questions posed....Either challenge the post on it's merit with substance or refrain from responding...I have noticed that about 70% of your posts are meaningless and worthless bits of drivel...Cheers