Can anyone give 1 legit reason why recreational use of drugs should not be legalized?

If I lost you its simply because you need to educate yourself.

 

Your not talking about private property rights you are talking about reversion to fuedalism where the large landowners gobble up the small ones and tie them to the land via serfdom.

Youe world would have as much security as you can afford to provide. Fuedal dark age.

 

You've gone a bit farther than the scope of what I was saying here.. The effects of meth are known.. Even being illegal, it's known what it can do.. Obviously what it is you're getting with a given dose will vary on account of the fact that it's illegal.. But the effect of what it can do, cannot be achieved by ANY amount of caffeine. If the effects of meth could be reproduced as easily as a caffeine OD then there would be no need for meth.

 

We all have our limits for what we're willing to accept, but I guess mine are farther than most.

I see more harm in the current trend of kneejerk reactions in policy than I do in the actions of irresponsible individuals.

16,000 fatalities is obviously a bad thing, but it's harder to quantify the effects of government overreach.

 

Our prison population may be one example.

 

This is true. You could also cite the cost of the War on Drugs or the number of people who have died from drug-related crimes.

As far as drunk driving goes, it's a little more abstract.

Another thread discussed the idea of installing breathalyzers on all cars, but I guess the thing that could cited there is the cost of the units added onto the cost of vehicles.

 

I am calling out anti-drug people to name a single reason why drug users should be stripped of their freedom of choice, and made criminals for sitting at home and smoking a joint or shooting up with heroin, or using any other drugs.

I have two....my youngest and oldest brothers who died from black tar heroin.

I'm all for killing drug dealers in the streets. Screw a trial, get a rope.

 

You could also factor in however many people are being killed in the real world WAR on drugs.

The "war on drugs" is not just metaphorical. There is a real world war on drugs being fought, in many theatres, including the ME, but most notably, Central America and South America.

Complete with airstrikes, gunfights, tanks, bombs, and mercenaries like Blackwater hired by the Pentagon to fight it via proxy.. And many many innocents being killed in the crossfire, real world collateral damage.

 

If we legalize drugs does that mean NY should lift its ban on 16oz soft drinks?

 

I'm sorry to hear that, but how is that a reason to throw someone in prison for choosing to use it themselves? Your brothers deaths are tragic, but they still made the choice to use heroin. No one forced them to. The freedom of choice should always be respected. Allow people to do whatever they want to their own bodies. Punish them only when those choices bring on direct harm to another person.

 

So let me get this straight. Liberals banned 16oz soda citing its "bad" for you, but black tar heroin is perfectly fine. Is this really where you guys stand?

 

So there are paragraphs links paragraphs.....statistics.....but based on the amalgamation of your verbiage, I've had to assume your answer is "yes" correct? You dont have an issue with a Dr who takes heroin in the privacy of his own home treating your child as long as he does it correctly. Thats all Im asking.

 

Theres no reason except for anti-freedom beliefs obviously.

 

NY shouldn't have banned them to begin with. However, I assume that you're a supporter of the soda ban?

 

Tell you what, you legalize drug guys better get back on the wagon and help fight to get all these other trivial things get "Un- banned" first, or your high hopes of doing heroin in your living room will never come to fruition. I didnt make it up. This is reality. We have the same people banning soda also wanting to legalize drugs. I mean serioulsy you can make this stuff up. Before you can talk about legalizing drugs you need to stop banning trivial things. Dont you agree?

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It does bring up a good question of what is necessary and proper regarding the police power of a State.

 

People often don't know what's best for themselves.

Is that legit?

 

No it's not. Any reason that involves the government playing nanny to the people is not legit.

 

Maybe we can discover some truth value through argumentation?

 

I am against the banning of any product. Consenting adults should be allowed to do whatever they want and only punished when those choices infringe upon the right of others to not be effected by those choices.

 

In a perfect utopia, all harmful substances would be illegal, and people would abide by the law. However, today's circumstances show that the "war on drugs" (as was noted earlier by some others) may be more harmful than the drugs themselves. Also, after legalizing them, the government would be perfectly able to tax them like they do on cigarettes, not only discouraging potential buyers, but also running a huge profit from them. Similarly, this means getting rid of a huge amount of government officers (like DEA agents) which can be a huge drain on the treasury as well. It seems that, while I'm against drugs, the current state that the country is in means that a change is required.

 

So you didnt vote for obama? I would have pegged you for an Obama voters since he did drugs as well.

 

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Questions?

 

I believe a State must bear the burden of showing why any law is both necessary and proper.

 

Oooh, an anarchist? That's too far for me. Government is absolutely necessary, and is unavoidable, but it should be as limited as possible, and it should exist to protect our rights, not to give to us what it takes from our fellow citizens.