Zimmerman defense looks to present Trayvon accurately.

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  1. Bluesguy

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    It has been explained thoroughly to you how there was no stalking why do you persist in telling such a lie?

    If I watch someone walk in front of my house and even walk to the street to see which way they go I have not stalked them, I have not committed an offense, I am perfectly within my legal rights to do so and if the person assaults me and threatens me with serious bodily harm I have ever right to defend myself even to use deadly force.

    Not what don't you understand?
     
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    No the death of Martin is not funny.. Robert Jr is funny. He's extremely stupid in his new celebrity posture.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    You have no idea what path he took however the 911 taped proves he was walking around Zimmerman's car for over a minute after the was hanging out around the closed community center.

    Yes, it's called crime and as shown in the discovery evidence the police were putting extra emphaisis on it and asking the residents to report suspicious people and to work with ZIMMERMAN who was their point man.

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    Although there were no "police instructions" Zimmerman did exactly as the dispatcher requested of him.

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    I think the word you used was hilarious, now are you going to do the right thing and admit you falsely smeared OMara when you claimed he used the N-word to describe Martin?
     
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    There was NO violent crime until idiot George killed Ttyavon.

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    There was NO violent crime until idiot George killed Ttyavon.
     
  5. Bluesguy

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    No it doesn't, it entirely depends on what happened during the second encounter and the weight of the evidence is Martin assaulted Zimmerman for no just cause and threatened him with serious bodily harm at the least and death had he continued the beating.

    There was no imminent threat to Martin and he had lost Zimmerman just as Zimmerman had no idea where Martin was until Martin, rather than simply go inside the apartment, choose to confront Zimmerman.


    He had lost sight of Martin and had no idea where was until Martin confronted him.

    He had lost sight of Martin and had no idea where was until Martin confronted him.

    What threat and imminent of what? Zimmerman NEVER threatened Martin.

    He left the apartment which he was standing next too and went back and confronted Zimmerman.

    It was not accidental, Martin acted on purpose.


    I have including murder in the 1st degree, and the guilt or innocence will be determined on the evidence not the fallacious postulations or false evidence. So far you have presented the latter.
    It is entirely in his favor, there is no evidence to support the claims he was not acting in self defense or that Martin ever had reason to use deadly force against him.

    Yes they will as the judge will instruct them.

    " A defendant, under Florida law, loses his “stand your ground” defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force.

    Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman — and if Zimmerman couldn’t protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin — he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/...murder-charge-article-1.1080161#ixzz2IXDdNSTc
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  6. Bluesguy

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    ROFLMAO so now you injuect "violent", that is not what you said you said there was no crime period, that is a lie.

    Now admit you were lying when you claimed OMara used the N-word to describe Martin.
     
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    First you post no one knows what happened and then you turn around and claim that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, which is it?

    I guess all your conservatives buddies are taking this with an open-mind. They have on the other found him innocent and cliamed this 17yr old to be a thug, gangsta, blah, blah, blah, but in your mind that is ok.
     
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    Yeah good post, everybody seems to be losing track of this thing. The reason is if they can portray a situation of ''targeting'' and racism then they may be able to dismiss the attack on Zimmerman.
    If they fail with that then they loose. Then all we have is ..Man attacked, panicked [at worst] and shot in self defense, Zimm walks...

    Another important point though, lets say they believe the young man ''believed'' he was targeted, would that give him the right to attack the other? George still would have been allowed to defend himself and not be subject to a second degree murder charge. If not than anybody could attack somebody and say ''I thought he was targeting me''
     
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    Let me help you out sweetheart, The autospy report report shows a scar on one knuckle meaning it had been there before he was murdered.

    Check out page 3 and read under other injuries. Now when you find the injury report to his knuckles please post it for us.

    http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/vi...-/il07kqz/-/Trayvon-Martin-medical-report.pdf
     
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    Hes a celeb? Margot, I feel very sorry for you.
     
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    not at all like the way all of you libs have condemned GZ without knowing anything about what happened
     
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    Correct and then we have the legal standard for sufficient provocation to determine who was the first aggressor:


    There is zero evidence to prove GZ did anything similiar to what is listed. This is a legal standard for establishing who was legally the first aggressor. In this case it was Trayvon.
     
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    I do not think either was a gangster or racist. I think they were both ''middle of the road'' of what people think they were. I doubt Zim liked blacks, but not enough to purposely shoot somebody, likewise Travon was far from the angel portrayed but no gangster type either.

    We can mostly thank the media for this, they are the real flamers. Had this been two blacks or two whites they would have mostly ignored the story,,pathetic really.
     
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    Libs, I guess you will have to take that up with the Libs. So the conservative and racist that have posted on here have looked at this case with a open-mind, is that what you are telling me?
     
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    I don't necessarily think Zimmerman was a racist, but I do think he profiled Trayvon.

    I agree on Zimmerman, but it was the folks on here that attack Trayvon that try to portray this kid as an "angel".

    I disagree partly with that, for the simple fact that if this had not become a national story Zimmerman would have walked away scott free.

    I agree with that.
     
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    You do know that Zimmy has stated what happened don’t you; you also know that he has given several slightly different versions of what happened don’t you. how do you think the cross will work out for him, I think on the stand his testimony will come apart at the seams and he will look like a great big lie ass, you see Zimmy’s statements have never been challenged and when they are he has some explaining to do to a jury that will critique his every word while a professional interrogator picks him apart.
    I can easily see a guilty verdict
     
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    This is true. Just look at this case where there's a few similarities to the Zimmerman/Martin case.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...d-law-in-not-charging-shooter-of-palm/1253166
     
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    Who said it was against the law? Why the need to make up straw men? You don't have to be an expert to tell when someone is acting strangely. If he sees someone acting this way he should probably call a police dispatcher and let them determine what the character is up to.


    Your argument is with the investigator for the prosection because he is the one's who have gone on record saying they have no evidence he didn't head back to his truck after saying "ok." I guess you know better than the prosection investigator. When you start seeing things that the prosection says aren't there, perhaps your imagination has gotten the best of you.


    I doubt it is a hard rule, just a recommendation to protect themselves. A person has a right to defend themselves. Stupid rules be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed. It is superflous, has no bearing on the case.


    Sounds like many in the department were very surprised at the arrest. I don't think there is a consensus that he is guilty. There is a consensus that his injuries are consistent with his narrative of the assault.
     
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    I've never doubted that Zimmerman got beat up by Trayvon. I also think it highly likely it was George screaming for help. But to get whacked in the face like that you'd have to put yourself awfully close to the person. You can't get punched watching a person from a distance. Now, there's at least 2 witnesses who mention hearing (and/or seeing) a couple men running & yelling at each other. (Funny, that isn't in George's story, anywhere.) Somebody was chasing somebody. I've felt from the beginning that George's been leaving out something. As far as I know some Sanford investigators also believe he hasn't been completely honest.
     
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    Please tell us what is "strange" about a kid walking down the street talking on a cellphone and please don't repeat the lie you told about Zimmerman claimed he was looking in houses.




    Actually the police and the prosecutor determined Zimmerman is reponsible for this whole incident taking place that is why the idiot has a M2 charge on his head.




    Why become a part of the program if you are not going to follow the rules. BTW didn't Trayvon have a right to defend himself against a stranger chasing him in the night.




    Yea, yea, yea. There are alot of things we keep hearing from this police department. His injuries are inconsistent with the beating he claims he took, especially when you look at the lack of injuries that Trayvon has.
     
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    Robert Zimmerman, Jr, is ar more eloquent that are you, and is certainly not stupid.

    Your continued attempts to spread this lie have already been MASSIVELY debunked, by the video of Robert himself.
     
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    LOL sure because Robert said it so its true! Face it your boy George is a disgusting murderer who will face justice.
     
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    As always, you have NO IDEA WTF you are blathering about.
     
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    I am still waiting on that autopsy report showing all those bruises on Trayvon's knuckles from where he put that savage beating on Zimmerman.
     
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    LOLOL.. follow his "tweets",
     
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