Abolish the two party system!

I am starting a political activist group dedicated to the abolishment of the two party system in America. We want a system where there can be as many political parties as can afford the fees and other costs of start up, and can get enough support.

We want every party at least invited to take part in the offical debates, and any aid given to dems and reps be given to all other national parties as well.

 

I heard an even better idea from Jesse Ventura once.

Lets just ban political affiliations on ballots.

In other words if you want to vote for D's or R's down the line, then you actually have to know who the D's and R's are!

 

That does nothing. Third parties and independents would still be treated as second class. We need to make sure that third parties have an equal footing with democrats and republicans. Presidential debates should include all parties who can afford it, not just two.

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That does nothing. Third parties and independents would still be treated as second class. We need to make sure that third parties have an equal footing with democrats and republicans. Presidential debates should include all parties who can afford it, not just two.

 

Approval voting would be the easiest way to open elections up to more than just 2 parties.

 

I'll give you it only solves part of the problem, but it is a much easier sell to most people!

 

If you can't settle on one of the two political parties then that means your views are extremist and far outside mainstream thought. This is why the two party system works. It forces those on the fringe to moderate and vote for a mainstream position, or waste their vote on a radical no one wants to elect.

America doesn't want the fringe having voice. That is the biggest problem with proportional democracies where people who make up 10% of the population can get control of the Government.

 

The RNC and DNC are ran by the fringes!

Its the fringe that shows up to the rallies!

The rest of us think you are all crazy, as proven by this poll:

http://ivn.us/2011/11/08/majority-of-americans-want-an-independent-alternative/

 

Since most people self-identify as "moderate", these assumptions aren't very accurate.

The reason for why moderates are so common is because most people don't follow either party 100% or often even 75%.

Quite a lot of people agree with half of one party and half with the other.

Libertarians appeal to a lot of people who are socially liberal but economically conservative, for example.

It's not that third parties are that radical -- it's that these parties usually offer a different combination of stances than the big two.

 

So if you don't agree with the dems and reps, you are an extremist.

 

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We are already a single party country...


With the Democrats committing and getting cleanly away with the Massive Voter Fraud theft of the 2012 election, Any Party other than the Democrats is history.


If the Republicans started trying to create a competitive massive voter fraud machine today, and poured all of their money into it, it would not come close to being effective against the Chicago-Style Fraud Machine held by today's Democrats.


From this point forward, the election which counts is not the General Election, but rather the Primary Election which will decide which Democrat will beat the Republican.


The Democrat which will win will be be the Democrat which controls more of the Voter Fraud Machinery.


We are no longer a Democracy.


America is not effectively a single party Kleptocracy.


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And the Republicans got away with throwing out millions of votes in 2000 to allow Bush to win. Both parties are scum. I don't disagree with that.

 

There are more than two parties in America. There are tons of parties. Libertarian Party. Green Party. Socialist USA Party. Legalize Marijuana Party. Constitution Party. And on and on.

Third party candidates can take part in the Presidential debates, I believe, if they 1) are on enough state ballots to be able to win the electoral college. 2) get at least 15% support nationally according to a number of polls.

Why would you want someone who is only on one state's ballot to be able to take part in the Presidential debate?
And why would you want someone who is liked by 0.8% of the country to waste our time?

If they can get on enough state ballots to be able to win the Presidency, and if they poll at least 15%, then they can take part in the national Presidential debates.


And third parties hold a third party Presidential debate anyway.

 

A two party system of government is one rung above a one party system of government.

 

Eliminating the demarcation between Republicans and Democrats is the only way Democrats stand a chance of being voted for in the future.

 

Rest assured if two corporations controlled any given industry like the two major parties control politics, DC hacks would be calling for those two corporations to be broken up.

 

True, but its a also a rung above a proportional democracy that saw an extreme minority party (greens) take over your government and force a radical environmental agenda down the throats of Aussies.

 

It is not the parties but the people .
Sooner or later voters will become disillusioned by either parties and then they will start voting for 3rd ones , even in a two party system it is not given who those parties are going to be so 20 years forward it could be the greens vs the socialists or something completely different.
When the old parties start to nose down professional politicians supported by the capital will jump into new ones and hijack them in order to keep the system going as it was .

source : personal and national experience

 

Screw it! Let's just do away with government altogether, go back to the stone age, and kill each other off without all the pretenses and chicanery involved with civilization.

Edit: OK - maybe that's a little extreme. Flushing toilets is a little better than the alternative.

 

Dude, they've been in power 1 term. You serious?

 

Once again, you miss the critical reason for the two-party system. The split system of government the US uses makes governing a team sport. To get anything done you need to be able to work the House, the Senate, and the White House. That is simply not gonna happen with a multi-party system.

 

We have a system where there can be as many political parties as you want. The problem is that they can never get enough support to be viable.

And there is a very good reason for this.

On most issues there are only two sides to fall on and those two sides are covered by republicans and democrats. In order for a third party to be viable they would need to have a platform that is different from either the republicans or democrats yet still appeals to a majority, or large portion, of the voters.

That is the problem. Both the republicans and democrats have both sides of issues covered fairly well. For a third party to distinguish itself from the two major parties it has to accept views that are outside of the mainstream way of thinking. If they have a platform that many people agree with they will be considered a republican or democrat.

Look at the Tea Party. They are kinda different then the republicans but not enough to be considered something else and run their own ticket. If they changed their platform more so they didn't look like republicans they wouldn't appeal to nearly the amount of people they do.

 

The republican and democratic parties are like the catholic and baptist churches. Both continually say, "My God is better than your god." and "We know the truth, and you're a liar." But EVERYBODY knows they're both full of chit, even the most ardent supporters. Doesn't say much for evolution, does it.

 

That may be true but its also true that even if a new party were to assume power they would quickly end up just like the ones we have now. Its not the parties that's the problem, its the way the American political system is designed which you can't change without rewriting the Constitution and then you have a whole new set of problems.

 

8 years is half a generation, you spend half a generation teling ppl lies that they are victims of a nefarious conspiracy theory between their bosses, then they start to beleive it.

There are a lot of people looking for some revenge against their bosses for simply being their boss at work and want to use government to punish them.