Hamas introduces weapons training in Gaza high schools

Do they post on here?

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The message is clear, and will be made more clear.

You shall see.

 

Still? I've never whined or otherwise complained about Israel targeting children. I think that claim is absurd, in fact.

I just think it's funny for Americans to be all for arming themselves, including their children, against their own government while complaining about Hamas doing likewise. People need guns to be free, or so I'm told.

 

Non sequitur.

Let's try again: Your argument was that Jews aren't as intelligent as people think, yet at the same time you also argue many times over that the Jews run the banks, the press, the government, entertainment industries, and so forth. The nature of acquiring said businesses, much less running them by definition involves quite a bit of intelligence, more than most since no one else has been able to do it.

Your very posts confirm that they are, as a whole, smarter than average since they've pulled off what you keep talking about. Whether or not they post here is irrelevant.

 

Not reason to be aggressively stupid. Israel kills on a 10:1 ratio.

How do you justify this with your thinly veiled dodges?

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Killing 10:1 is hardly self-defense.

 

Not based on what I read online from them, which is usually the same tired old tactics, over and over.

A parrot can do that.

 

WOW! What a mouthful!
Anyway, since you know exactly all about the Muslims' God, how about your guy? Does he sanction violence against Gentiles and tells you all sorts of nonsense? Like....

to Hang Arab Children From Trees.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=8394

Beatings, murders, hangings, kidnappings
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm

Judeo-fascist terror organizations:
http://www.judeofascism.com/2012/03/jewish-supremacists-demand-muslims-rise.html

Arab-American anti-discrimination activist assassinated by Jewish terrorists for his efforts to fight anti-Semitism against Arabs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Odeh

Shoot to maim:
http://www.radioislam.org/historia/zionism/shoottomaim.html

Jewish terrorists enter Hebron Islamic School and massacre Arab students:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Emunim…

Cairo-Haifa train bombings 1948 by Jewish terrorists:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo–Haifa_train_bombings_1948

The assassination of UN mediator Folke Bernadotte by Zionist terrorists:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/05/26/israel-s-terrorists/


Additional Details
The Deir Yassin massacre of Palestinians by Israeli Zionist/Judeo-fascist terrorist groups:
http://www.deiryassin.org/mas.html

List of genocides committed by Judeo-fascist/Zionist Israeli terrorist against the native population of Palestine:
http://rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm



This is what they teach in schools, schools like Merkaz Harav they teach students that Jews are the only good people, the smartest and that all others are retards, the Jewish religion is the only religion based on hate and racism.

They are the only nation that has an excuse for all the massacres they commit against unarmed children, excuses for the occupation, excuses for every bad thing they do.

They are God's Chosen People!! And they actually believe it, that is the crazy part.

 

Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years
Israel Shahak

Know them....

Reviews;



This book should be required reading in all schools and universities, and indeed parliaments! Written by a learned Jew (who is therefore able to say much that would not be permitted these days by a non jew), the book exposes much about the past and present nature of Judaism. Many historical and contemporary issues become much clearer, once the real nature of Judaism is explained. In particular, much is revealed that cannot easily be found in non Hebrew language publications.

Other related books well worth reading are "The Invention of the Jewish People", by Professor Shlomo Sand, and "The Holocaust Industry", by Dr. Norman Finkelstein. Both written by respected and learned Jews, and so worth paying attention to, given the subject matter. Together, these books form a coherent, consistent image.

A parallel book on Islam is "Twenty Three Years", by Ali Dashti.

The last sentence of Shahak's book reads: "Although the struggle against antisemitism (and of all other forms of racism) should never cease, the struggle against Jewish chauvinism and exclusivism, which must include a critique of classical Judaism, is now of equal or greater importance."

Strong stuff!

Read the book and you will see what Professor Shahak is getting at.

**

This is an interesting book on a very neglected subject. If you want to understand the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict read this book.

Shahak charts the course of Jewish identity over history, and it makes a fascinating read.

The Foreward has been written anew for each edition of the book which was first published in 1994.

The original one is by Gore Vidal who is full of praise for the book and who describes Shahak as being 'The latest, if not the last, great prophet'

He is certainly a very interesting man, and this is a very interesting read.

The other 'Forewards', in order, are written by Edward Said, Norton Mezvinsky, and latterly Ilan Pappe, and all are extremely impressed with the book, especially Said, and Pappe. It is not a long book, but it is very enlightening.

Israel Shahak explains how ridiculous is the notion that 'zionism' and 'Jewish' are quite separate entities.
They are inextricably intertwined.

The roots of zionist thought and 'exclusivity' are directly drawn overwhelmingly from Babylonian Talmudic writings, and the very basis of the zionist dream of creating their 'Jewish state' in Palestine is justified by and originates from, schools of thought at the very heart of Orthodox Classical Judaism.

Though Israel claims to be a 'secular' state (a state having no religious or spiritual basis), the continued expansion of their borders and the brutal suppression of anyone seen as the enemy (including unarmed civilians) is routinely justified by reference to Talmudic writings, and usually (rather paradoxically) by' Jewish' people who claim to be areligious !

Religious ideals also drive so much Israeli military policy.
Confused ? So am I !
What is also surprising is just how multiplicitous and various has been the question of 'Jewish identity' over history.

Another important point to emerge very clearly from this book is that, to assume a 'common' Judeo-Christian heritage is a serious mistake.

The two are actually quite at odds with one another

Yes, Jesus was born a Jew, BUT he was a jew who renounced his Judaism and proceeded to set up a whole new faith; namely Christianity.

Judaism and Christianity are actually like chalk and cheese in many ways - they are not 'brothers in arms' as seems to be so often assumed [certainly on the Christian side] nowadays.

Another aspect I find absolutely fascinating is the explanation of the very controlling, totalitarian nature of the rabbinical hierarchy throughout Jewish history.

Controlling of their own Jewish community.

Today this fixation with 'iron control' has perhaps been extended to the rest of us ? (the 'mainstream' News Media, ADL, AIPAC etc.,)

It seems that over history, many of the laws that 'opened up' freedoms and liberty for the Jewish community actually were imposed by those in charge of wider society (usually Christian) who although they often didn't much like what the Orthodox Jewish religion stood for, actually offered them as individuals more freedoms than did their own elders, who also as soon as they got the chance, would usually do all in their power to shut the new found freedoms right back down again.

This is not just Shahak's opinion, he gives clear examples to back up any of his claims, so anyone who disagrees with him can always do their own research on the relevant texts and periods in history, and then challenge what he says.

It is perhaps instructive that no-one seems to have actually done this.

I wonder why not considering the repressive climate that usually surrounds this subject ?
The obvious conclusion is that what Shahak is saying is actually so.

The book is very well put together I must say, rendering what could very easily become a very deep complex subject into a thoroughly readable informative text.
He was not surprisingly, despised by the authorities in Israel during his lifetime whilst simultaneously admired by Jewish intellectuals like Gore Vidal.

The 'Right' in Israel (and Orthodox Jewry) were surely very glad to see the back of the little man with the wild hairstyle with his death in 2001.

I think secular Jewish people should be very proud of him because he was a lovely guy, a real humanist.
Someone who, having spent part of his childhood in the Belsen Concentration Camp, lamented the increasing slide toward totalitarianism of the newly formed Israeli state, and it's increasingly brutal repression of the indigenous Palestinian people, whom they 'officially' regard as 'inferior'.

Shahak sees the roots of all this in Orthodox Jewish theology. In other words a 'logical development' rather than a symptom of an honourable project that has simply 'gone wrong'.

Israel Shahak points to the fact that there are tracts at the very heart of Talmudic theology that openly, consistently and continuously claim that Jewish people are a higher form of life than non-Jews whom it usually describes as being 'unclean' or no better than beasts.

Classical Jewish theology also promotes a view that continuously espouses 'hatred of the stranger'.
Shahak cross-references and identifies the relevant texts and gives numerous examples.

It is important to make the observation that these examples are not drawn from obscure outdated Jewish texts irrelevant to the modern day, they lay at the heart of Classical Jewish Theology nowadays - that is why Shahak is so concerned and convinced that they need to be challenged along with other forms of racism and xenophobia.

For example, Maimonides in his 'Guide to the Perplexed', discusses (Book III, Chapter 51) how various sections of humanity can attain the supreme religious value, the true worship of God. However, he explains that certain categories are incapable of even approaching this, among them he lists 'Blacks', describing them as having the nature of 'mute animals', and 'not being on the level of human beings'. They are 'below a man' says Maimonides, but 'above a monkey'.

How's that for racism ?

American (English) translations of Maimonides' Guide (written in Hebrew) apparently make use of the untranslated word 'Ku(*)(*)(*)(*)es' instead of directly translating the word 'Kushim' (Hebrew for 'Blacks') and so a reader with no knowledge of Hebrew is none the wiser.

The passage is, however still there, it hasn't been challenged or omitted by present day Jewish scholars. Why not ?

This sort of stuff is common throughout Classical Jewish theology so it seems, but much of the time, rather than such a specific group it is just 'anyone' who isn't Jewish (Goyim) that are on the receiving end of such invective.
Shahak goes on to point out that Jewish people are expected to adhere to this nonsense, and often in history as a community, suffered severe penalties if they did not adhere to the ridiculous rules and obligations that stemmed from it.

I was intrigued that, again in history, whilst Christians were not allowed by dint of their faith to lend money and charge interest (Usury), Jewish people were also under their own rules, not allowed to do so but only to other Jews, the prohibition did not apply when they were dealing with non-Jews.

This 'double standard' in terms of behaviour towards Jews and non-Jews covers a very wide spectrum of topics within Classical Judaism and even includes the subject of 'murder'. The murder of a Jew is considered the most heinous offence meriting sanctions beyond that covered by normal administrative justice, however a Jew who murders a gentile is only guilty of what Talmudic laws refer to as a sin against 'a law of Heaven' not punishable by a court; and to cause the death of a Gentile indirectly is no sin at all.

(the roots of the 'double-dealing' stereotype perhaps ?)
It seems that in Europe over the centuries,the Jewish community often found themselves placed in society somewhere between the people with the real power and influence, and the poor (the peasants)
Consequently, Jewish people often were the people who had the task of enforcing the will of the rich and powerful on the poor (rather like the Asian communities in many African countries in more modern times), and according to Shahak, though they did suffer hostility and pogroms from time to time, were rarely as badly treated as the peasants themselves.

Shahak also contends that occupying this 'position' in society goes a long way toward explaining much of the historical periodic hostility they faced as a community, especially when considered alongside the ridiculous claim of 'exclusiveness' and 'superiority' to the rest of us.

I find it hard to believe that an intelligent person could actually believe that he/ she is innately superior simply by dint of the ethnic group he/ she belongs to, but there we are. 'There's nowt so queer as folk' as the old adage tells us.

He also explains that 'modern anti-semitism' as personified by the nazi era was a completely new phenomenon with no historical parallel, contrary to the assertion of most modern Jewish commentators.

Shahak explains that during historic 'Jewish pogroms', individual Jews could usually save themselves by converting to Christianity whereas converting to Christianity under the nazis was not an option, the nazi slogan was 'Once a Jew, always a Jew'.

This was quite unlike any persecution in history says Shahak, and as always he cites clear evidence to back his claim.

Shahak is taking issue with many central tenets of Classical Judaism which he sees as causing much of the historic hostility faced by Jewish communities and which he also sees as laying at the heart of modern day Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people.

I wish more people would read it.

I found it to be a compelling read, very clear and precise. A real eye opener

 

Let me guess... you must be Jewish? Even gentle Obama complained about Netanyahu being a l**r!

 

You also appear to spend most of your time researching the very worst of them and what they do. You're not going to be aware of the brightest lights when you keep looking at the darkest shadows.

You're beginning to prove Nietzsche correct.

 

As you've consistently proven

 

Please provide evidence for this as policy

 

As policy?

Laughable.

Reality is reality. Accept it or live a fairy tale.

How about you simply address the question for once?

 

I asked you whether you can back up your claims of any reprisal being 10:1 . you cant

 

especially if IOF tanks are rolling downthe street towards their school or there are white phosphorus shells dropping on the kids in the playground

Seems like MGB Roadstar would prefer if his kid in school laid down and surrendered to the street thugs in his city without arming itself against them

 

I completly disagree with arming children. Under the age of 18 no one has any businesses handling a weapon and parents who allow it are harming their kids.

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I would prefer my kids to run to safetly and leave it to adults to protect them. It is not the business of a child to fight a war.

 

Wolverine success in an endeavour such as war does not cancel out the fact that you were defending yourself.

 

It's Inevitable !!

 

Get real.

 

Those are pictures of kids that came to visit their big brothers military unit & play.
A Souvenir picture.

Palestinians teach hatred and how to operate the guns !! Get real.

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Of those killed in the conflict, 4,228 have been Palestinians, 1,024 Israelis, and 63 foreign citizens. For every person killed, approximately seven were also injured. 3/

In contrast the total number of Palestinians, both civilians and combatants killed by the Israeli security forces or Israeli individuals, remains relatively high. In 2007, for example, for every one Israeli death there were 25 Palestinian deaths compared to 2002 when the ratio was 1:2.5.


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Thats cute.

 

Teach them to hate you when they are young, it is far more effective.

 

The only pity is that both Hez and Hamas do not have far more sophisticated weapons, and far larger numbers, who are even better trained and supported. As we all know, Israel are the proverbial coward, and are less likely to take liberties the MORE able people are to hurt them right back, and hard. It is the only language they understand, when it comes down to it, and the only thing they repsect, sadly. Therefore, by having better arms and larger armies, both would actually reduce the chances of random attacks, both in Lebanon and Gaza, since the cowardly Gucci army would have more chance of getting a bloody nose.

Indeed, the very reason Jews there stole a march to start with, was that those that arrived were already trained in tactical warfare, and terrorist tactics, what do you think the Irgun, Hagara, Stern Gang etc were? They were a mix of Communistic and Zionist Jews, that were 100% trained in arms and explosives. The natives, a hard working people, did not have a chance.

Right from the get go, Begin and his Jews began as rapists, cowards, and child killers.

They have never changed, and those are the facts, and they only way they can protect this is to silence it.

Never disarm to them, if you do, you will not get peace, they will murder you all.

 

I remember once reading a Zionist Jew on here herald how the IRA were really freedom fighters, and on and on he went, as they do, before I dropped the bombshell(pun intended), that in political and ideological terms, that IRA saw themselves as being kindrid spirits with anti Zionist Jew resistance!!!

He never came back to that again.

 

Repeating + Perpetuating a lie -

Zionist aggression - was never "defensive " it was to further the Zionists plan to gain "Lebensraum " - to expand the Jewish state's borders-

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