Global Warming strikes again with TWO FEET of May Snow!!

Ah yes I've head that lie too. There was no warm anomoly in the Atlantic ocean. The dip(*)(*)(*)(*) you are referencing is Bill McKrieben who mistook the gulf stream as unusually warm waters.

 

Can you prove that statement?

 

I'm sorry Windigo, you are arguing with faulty information. These articles are all over the web, from all kinds of reliable sites.

Posted: 05/02/2013

Baltimore, MD - New data shows ocean water temperatures off the east coast hit their highest levels in the 150 years measurements have been kept.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric administration shows that during 2012, ocean temperatures hit 14 degrees Celsius, or 57.2 degrees Fahrenheit, the highest ever recorded.

Read more: http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/weather...ocean-temperatures-warmest-ever#ixzz2SKP9KkhI

 

Why do you need to spin this away? How does global warming affect you? I don't understand why conservatives have taken this up as a cause because it really doesn't affect them more than anyone else.

What if global warming didn't exist and we reduced pollution anyway? Would that be so horrible? It seems as if the worst thing that comes out of dealing with global warming is that the planet gets cleaner.

 

Good questions, Pardy.

Why is it that conservatives fight against using less fossil fuel? Why is this forum full of threads belittling alternative energy, electric cars and low energy use light bulbs?

Does conservative have to mean no change of any kind ever?

 

Green energy creates jobs. I don't see how this is a problem. If the coal and oil barons invest in green energy then I don't see how it will ruin them. They can still have their precious monopolies. Instead, they're demonizing green energy ... "coal is clean", "wind turbines kill bats", etc.

Worst case scenario is that we clean the planet in an effort to reduce global warming and it turns out that global warming is hoax and we all have fresh, healthy air to breath.

 

I can understand that those making big bucks from the status quo don't want to change anything. They are doing well and don't care that it's unsustainable.

But I don't understand the moneyless who go along with it. They are fighting against their own best financial interests by supporting the people and institutions that will do them in.

 

OK, but enough about liberals!

 

During late 1950- early 60s - we were warned to prepare for another Ice Age.

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Another theory is that Global weather imbalance (warming) is causing higher temperatures at the earths Ice Caps - pushing colder streams further south.
While in southern Hem, its playing havoce to the weather cycles in Australia/N/Zealand , southern Ocean islands etc.

Here in Britain most of us are well used to experiencing all four seasons in the same day and occasionally even a fifth season.. (wink)

 

I don't understand why the poor vote republican since the GOP tends to favor the rich. Even worse are the poor fighting for the rich. They are so indoctrinated that they're willing to give up their own welfare in order to help the rich. The poor Republicans fight for tax loopholes for the rich and lower minimum wage. Meanwhile, they pay up to 20% on their big box credit cards and give half their paychecks to rich people for their mortgage, trucks, flat screens and they still fight for the rich who they support. Reaganomics failed as a purely economic model, but it's still working on an ideological level.

Proof of this indoctrination is the fact that switching to green energy only hurts big oil companies. It doesn't hurt poor Republicans at all, yet they fight hard for these big oil companies... and they don't even know why they're doing it.

 

You mistake fighting the efforts of tyranny as fighting for the rich.

 

can we be honest? they would have become hookers anyways.

 

yes...because of the Progressive Democrat's push to "level the playing field" for "green energy" by driving up the costs of conventional energy, and subsequently, the price these poor, disenfranchised and victimized women will pay for utilities, food and transportation.

I won't go into their inflationary "demand side" monetary policies, or proposals to flood the entry level labor market with millions of low skilled, uneducated illegals here, but those will put a poor gal on her back, as well.

 

Yup, my son is working in Minnesota and yesterday morn he called me on his way to work to tell me it was snowing...... told him to eat his heart out b/c we were having all kinds of sunshine. His wife said if it's still snowing in July, she's packing up and moving back here.... lol.

Whatever happened to Gore, the Bore? He made billions off his Global Warming scam.......

 

That's exactly the problem. You guys are embracing tyranny while thinking it's freedom.

 

You're being overly simplistic about it - I expect because that's your level of understanding. Never mind AGW proponents who don't know anything about anything. It's the data that matter. What we have now is a warm ocean melting Arctic sea ice and the jet stream being pushed further south as a consequence, thus giving us a cold spring. Why is that Arctic ice melting? Because warmer ocean currents are flowing up there now than before. And why is that? It seems the ocean - and this comes from recorded measurements - has been absorbing a lot of extra heat energy of late, leading to these warmer currents. The added heat trapped by the greenhouse effect is apparently finding its way into the ocean, and that is in turn causing shifts in weather patterns, including what has amounted to a colder-than-normal spring in the northern hemisphere.

Do you have an intelligent counter argument, or are you just going to flail your arms about and make a bunch of trollish noises about "AGW cultists"?

 

That would be the thought process of a serf. Those that do not believe they can take care of themselves believe the only choice is between government or the rich.

 

Not bad.

 

If warmer weather melts the ice at the poles, and more cool water begins to circulate in the oceans, then it's reasonable that the precipitation cycle would produce 2 feet of snow in May.

 

ARGO data shows no ocean warming. Try again.

 

Time to open the other eye.

http://news.discovery.com/earth/oceans/ocean-holds-answer-reduced-warming-130411.htm
Ninety percent of warming goes into heating, not the land or the atmosphere, but the ocean; two recent papers, in 2012 and earlier this year, showed that approximately 30 percent of recent ocean warming has been taken up by waters below depths of 700 meters (about 2,300 feet), where few measurements had previously taken place. That was reinforced by a European study, published earlier this week, which, according to Reuters, found “that the oceans took up more warmth from the air around 2000. That would help explain the slowdown in surface warming but would also suggest that the pause may be only temporary and brief … Lead author Virginie Guemas of the Catalan Institute of Climate Sciences in Barcelona said the hidden heat may return to the atmosphere in the next decade, stoking warming again.”

Data: http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1863.html

 

http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/20...al-warming-go-the-deep-ocean-experts-say?lite

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"The warming at the surface hasn't stopped, but it has been less than most of the climate models have been predicting," David Pierce, a climate researcher with the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, explained to NBC News. "So the question is: Where is that extra heat going?"

Kevin Trenberth and colleagues at the National Center for Atmospheric Research reanalyzed ocean temperature records between 1958 and 2009. They found that about 30 percent of the extra heat has been absorbed by the oceans and mixed by winds and currents to a depth below about 2,300 feet.

Oceans are well-known to absorb more than 90 percent of the excess heat, but its presence in the deep ocean "is fairly new, it is not there throughout the record," Trenberth said during a teleconference with reporters on Thursday. "So the question is: What happened to produce this?"

To find out, the team used a model that accounts for variables including ocean temperature, surface evaporation, salinity, winds and currents, and tweaked the variables to determine what causes the warming at depth.

"It turns out there is a spectacular change in the surface winds which then get reflected in changing ocean currents that help to carry some of the warmer water down to this greater depth," Trenberth said. "This is especially true in the tropical Pacific Ocean and subtropics."

The change in winds and currents, he added, appears related to a pattern of climate variability called the Pacific Decadal Oscillation which in turn is related to the frequency and intensity of the El Niño/La Niña phenomenon, which impacts weather patterns around the world.

The oscillation shifted from a positive stage to a negative stage at the end of the extraordinarily large El Niño in 1997 and 1998. The negative stage of the oscillation is associated more with La Niñas, which is when the tropical Pacific Ocean is cooler and absorbs heat more readily, Trenberth explained.

"So, some of this heat may come back in the next El Niño event … but some of it is probably contributing to the warming of the overall planet, the warming of the oceans. … It means that the planet is really warming up faster than we might have otherwise expected," he said.
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The findings were reported online earlier this month in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

Journal link: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50382/abstract

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) reanalysis. That ran the ARGO data through a model because the ARGO data doesn't conform to the model.

The ARGO people do not agree that there is anything wrong with their data.

The first step in justifying a reanalysis is to show that there is something wrong with the actual data.

And Nature Climate Change??? lol would you believe a paper on the devinity of christ published by the Catholic church?

 

This is false. The satalite data shows no increase in sea surface winds. Trenberth's model show an increace. The model that also shows a sea surface temperature increace that isn't there. Its models being used as input to other models to confirm the original model.

According to Trenberth. The models shows a rise in sea surface temperature? However, the temperature rise isn't there in the real data. Trenberth explains this away because the heat is being taken up by the ocean. How? An increace is sea surface wind. How did we get the rise in sea surface winds? Well the increace in sea surface temperatures. What increace? The increace the models show.

Its circular. Cant you see that?!!!

The problem is that this isn't fraud. Trebberth is too damn stupid to tell the difference between his models and real data. He actually believes that his models are reality.

 

Warmists ALWAYS cite manipulated "data" over the EMPIRICAL DATA..they have to, or their entire premise collapses..as the past ten years of EMPRICAL TEMP DATA shows...