Mom And Dad charged with murder

http://news.yahoo.com/faith-healers-charged-murder-2nd-death-195403830.html

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A Philadelphia couple who believe in faith healing over medicine and who were on probation in their son's pneumonia death were charged with murder Wednesday after a second young child died under what a prosecutor called "eerily similar" circumstances.
Herbert and Catherine Schaible ignored a court order to seek medical care if their children needed it, prosecutors said Wednesday. The requirement was a condition of the probation sentence they received after the death of their toddler son four years ago.


Should the gov't be getting involved in families religious rights?
This isn't the 1st time parents have been charged or convicted when a child dies as a result of praying.

 

Let me guess.... I bet this couple of religious freakolos are against abortion....

 

Just curious, where in the Bible does it say to NOT use medicine to cure sickness?

I think it is a dangerous interpretation of verses which says God will heal you, therefore they avoid doctors and medicine.

Correct me if I am wrong here. I'm by no means a Bible expert.

God gave us medicine. How many medical products are there which are derived from natural sources? Christians believe God created the world. Therefore, God gave us the materials to make these cures.

It is a shame people, especially children, need to die because of something like this.

 

I concur when it comes to natural medicine. Not so when it comes to designer medicines such as those that are being mass produced today which carry a warning list of possible side effects that are far worse than the ailment being treated.

"Eze 47:12 And by the river, upon its bank, on the one side and on the other, shall grow all trees for food, whose leaf shall not fade, nor their fruit fail: it shall bring forth new fruit every month, for its waters issue out of the sanctuary; and the fruit thereof shall be for food, and the leaf thereof for medicine."

 

Oh definitely, those drugs which can help your athsma but can also kill you or cause lung infections or suicidal thoughts. Yeah, stay away from that (*)(*)(*)(*).

I see those "ask you doctor about blah blah" commercials all the time.

But for example, antibiotics are usually safe from that kind of side effects.

Unfortunately medicine has become a money-making business first and foremost.

 

The state is not my parent.
The state is not a parent.
The state is not a GOOD parent.
The state is the WORST kind of parent.

A bunch of zionists have no right to tell people how to raise our children. The average politician hates America and does not stand with the American people, but AGAINST the American people. Our politicians sell us out and whore America's daughters to other countries and nations.

Politicians hate America and American people. We can only trust God, not men who pray to Mammon and the money gods, who have sold their soul to the devil.

American politicians are led by another country, halfway around the world. Our politicians are not America Firsters.

 

The law imposes a duty on parents not to abuse or neglect their children. If we allow parents to deprive their children of medical care on religious grounds, there will be no end to the abuse. We will have parents depriving their children of food and water, and beating them, and chaining them to the bed and claiming their religion requires it.

 

I have to question your legitimacy... You seem more likely to be trolling, pretending to be a Christian to simply try and make religious people look bad. Rarely do you ever back anything you claim with Bible verses to verify anything. You just make obnoxious post after obnoxious.

And you mention Zionism at the most random opportunities, as if mocking people with legitimate beefs with the Zionist lobby.

I'll likely regret asking you this, but... What do you think about giving your children medicine to cure them?

 

that would be the logical way of thinking...

 

I'll take that a step further....as parents we are only caretakers of our children we do not own those children, children are individuals entitled to the same protection the state gives to adults... if parents abuse or recklessly endanger their children they relinquish up their rights to look after them...it's the state's duty to look after children that cannot protect themselves from their parents...

 

Out of your 12K+ posts, you finally made one that makes sense.

 

Firstly, you're a Jihadist Soldier Moslem in America or Europe. You answer to me, not me to you. You are a GUEST in my country. And your evil Islam is exposed. I owe NOTHING to you and your kind. You are in CHRISTIAN land and so you answer to us.

Secondly, what people call "medicine" and "good health" today is often not. Vaccines and pharmaceutical companies do not have the best health or best intentions in mind with America's children. Zionists work the pharmaceutical companies just like they do the mass media.

If they can score a dollar, a quick buck, off of the death of America's children, then they will. I don't trust them. I don't trust you. And NOBODY should trust our traitorous government!!!

The state does NOT want the best for your children. If these parents had their child die, then that is punishment enough for their neglect. They don't need twice the punishment from Zionists, on top of it.


The best healthcare a person can provide, is from parent to child, not State to child. The state hates America and wants the worst for America's children. This is expressed by politicians and what people call "pop culture". Nobody truly cares for America's daughters and sons, except maybe God, and TRULY CHRISTIAN fathers and mothers who are devout and good natured.

 

That is exactly right. We don't "own" our children. That is one of the reasons I oppose abortion, because it lowers the unborn child to the status of something that is "owned."

 

Jihadist? Not really.... Well maybe. I have some struggles going on in my life right now. But that's not something I'd like to share here (NO it has nothing to do with terrorism... grab a dictionary if you think it does)... A soldier? Nope. Muslim? Duh. American or European? Wrong again. Strike 3, you're out.

I like how you got so defensive by that.

I'm not in the United States of America. Sorry, buddy. Awkward...

*looks around*

Where?

Canadians?

Where does it say this in the Bible?

That does not mean you should not have yourself and especially not your children cured if they catch a disease.

And if they can score a dollar, a quick buck, off saving American children, then they will.

Fair enough. I don't either. That doesn't mean you should let your children die from pneumonia though.

Awww...

Agreed.

Punishment for who? The child, or the parents?

You are aware that one of the most influential supporters of Zionism in the United States, besides Zionists of course, are the conservative Christians, yes?

Besides, if parents let their children die because of something like the OP they do deserve punishment for it.

Unfortunately, not all parents are prepared to handle such a responsibility. Therefore, we need doctors to do what we cannot. That's just the reality of it, whether you agree with it or not is another story.

Look, I'm no fan of the United States, but this is a baseless claim with no facts to back it up.

Huh?

Are "TRULY CHRISTIAN" parents who refuse to use medications for themselves and their children?


You haven't really answered any of my questions...

 

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Where is your righteous indignation when the religious people kill 1.2 million babies EVERY year???


Abortions by Religious Affiliation:
Protestants: 37.4%
Catholics: 31.3%
Jews: 1.3 %
Secular: 30.0 %

 

There is no religious right to kill both of your children with silly but dangerous beliefs.

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Aborted fetus /= dead baby.

 

And I don't plan to, Jihadist. Once you convert to TRUE CHRISTIANITY, peacefully or by force, then we can start engage in a more meaningful dialogue. Until then, you are not one to become trusted.

The short answer is this.


The state has no business caring for children, or punishment neglectful parents. The state is not a moral institution, except through GOD.

A politician is not a parent. A judge is not a parent. A police officer is not a parent. A "social worker" is DEFINITELY NOT A PARENT.

America is turning into a national socialist society. Socialists are taking over, and attempting to steal the children of America. This war has already begun.

 

What Sharia tells the Muslims today, as had the Torah Law told the Hebrew patriarchs in the OT, is that stoning a few wayward girls means fetus = babies

 

I'm a little surprised by the answers.
I thought most christians think God controls everything on earth that happens.
But some of the most ardent christians haven't said a word. Wonder why?

Some have said parents don't own their children but are caretakers, perhaps guardians. Aren't we all children of God? Should we not treat our kids as God treats us? If you trust God and whole hearted believe in him, will he not perform his will?
Isn't dying the one thing we must do to reach the end result? And the more purer we are the better chance of eternal salvation?

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I believe it is official. You are a troll and your desire is to make christians look bad. That is the only excuse for a d.o.u.c.h e bag type post that always is in your responses.

 

On the contrary, dairyair, I am here to REDEEM TRUE CHRISTIANS and make Christianity look good again, after it has fallen, oh so far down into the depths of Hell.

That people here hate chastity is the truly telling sign of the times we live. I am the saving grace.

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Dairyair is just one of the many lost "born again Christians", New Testament, who believes that God revolves around her........and not she who revolves around God.

 

The "J" in OJ doesn't stand for Jihadist.

So TRUE CHRISTIANITY is acting like the opposite of Jesus (pbuh)? The opposite of Christ (pbuh) is the anti-Christ, isn't it?

Then you are not a TRUE or a real Christian. Because as little as I know about the faith, I know this type of attitude is not consistent with the teachings of Jesus (pbuh).

The state has the responsibility to protect its citizens. Last post you insulted the state for not caring about this responsibility, now you are saying they don't have this responsibility?

One of the most utterly foolish generalisations I have ever seen.

So now socialism is the problem?

 

I have never stated that the State DOES or OUGHT TO care for its people. It doesn't.

The state is like a surrogate parent, a foster parent. It is a parent ten times removed from blood. It is the keeper of orphans. It turns these orphans into slaves and sex slaves, prostitutes for the state. The State DOES NOT CARE about your children. It does not care about my children. It does not care about America's children.

Because the STATE IS NOT A MORAL INSTITUTION. This was insured when TRUE CHRISTIANS separated Church and State. The State is NOT INTENDED to parent children, or care for children. That is NOT its function.

The state functions to support an economy, raise food and crops, service roads, keep police officers and firemen, raise an army if necessary. The State has MINIMAL actual responsibilities.

It is not since the SOCIALISTS have taken over, that they are now trying to bloat the US government and impose morality through the State. This turns the American republic into an EMPIRE. When a state becomes moralistic, then it has trespassed on its duties and functions.

The State must NEVER STEP INTO MORALITY. That is the role of God and Church. Barrack Saddam Hussein Osama Obama is trespassing.

 

Where do you get the authority to decide on what is "true Christianity", especially when you can't even grasp the whole "only God can judge" concept of the 3 Abrahimic faiths?

You are embarrassing to religious people. Your views are void of any religious teachings to back them up, yet you preach like a disciple or something?

Perhaps you belong to the WBC?

I don't think he is a Christian at all (correct me if I am wrong dairyair, and I do apologise if I am).

But who is "her"?

 

I am a Puritan TRUE CHRISTIAN.

My ancestors have all been branded HERETICS by the CORRUPT Roman Papacy and put to death, save a few.

I am a PROTESTANT. The Bible is not wholly necessary to SEEK and KNOW God. God transcends all of man's laws. My focus is on removing the cancer from NEW TESTAMENT FALSE CHRISTIANS who PERVERT Christianity, especially those who "tolerate" and accept sexual hedonism and promiscuity.

I am a purist.

 

Then what does the state exist for?

Oh my... What state do you live in??

No, but the state is intended to protect the people, and that includes children.

Look I don't 100% support other people telling others how to raise their children myself, but when it means the difference between life and death for the child, the parents failed their job and thus somebody needs to intervene for the safety of the child.

Those seem like major responsibilities to me.

Who are the socialists?

Okay. So what if God wills it?

Wow, when did this happen?