Who wants to be a part of China? tribute argument, UK as a part of China?

Who wants to be a part of China? tribute argument..."island could not belong to Japan because its ancient rulers had paid tribute to China 500 years before it had been taken over by the Japanese....The list of countries that paid tribute to China in ancient times is a long one. It includes Burma and Cambodia, Korea and Malaysia, even Italy and England."

is Hans´scenario realistic?

 

Major-General Luo Yuan hes becoming a celebrity in china i see reminds me of there patton
[video=youtube;ohbqFHd7fXs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohbqFHd7fXs[/video]

 

The Chinese tribute argument doesn't really fly, but the geopolitical argument over the islands is a valid one. If you look at Japanese interests versus Chinese interests, it is the Chinese who are hurt more by Japanese possession of the islands than the Japanese would be hurt by Chinese possession of the islands.

 

What a good thing there is no longer an England except as a geographical expression! But imagine all those Saxons travelling so far! The mind boggles!

 

I love China. Great food. Humble people who don't believe in phoney deities to make them feel special. Long live China!

 

For a cuppa tea ? LOL


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Already done. The Boxer Rebellion, Opium Wars, etc.

 

The British, I fear.

 

And the French, etc.

 

Second Opium war included Americans .Western traders, including those from the United States, had long sought a variety of Chinese products (including furniture, silk and tea), but found there were few products that China wanted from the West. American trade with China began as early as 1784, relying on North American exports such as furs, sandalwood, and ginseng, but American interest in Chinese products soon outstripped the Chinese appetite for these American exports. The British had already discovered a great market in southern China for smuggled opium, and American traders soon also turned to opium to supplement their exports to China. Beyond the health problems related to opium addiction, the increasing opium trade with the Western powers meant that for the first time, China imported more goods than it exported. Settling this financial problem eventually led to the First Opium War between Great Britain and China, from 1839 to 1942. After defeating the Chinese in a series of naval conflicts, the British were in a position to make a large number of demands from the weaker Qing Government of China, in the Anglo-Chinese Treaty of Nanjing. Not to be outdone, U.S. negotiators sought to conclude a similar treaty with the Chinese, to guarantee the United States many of the favorable terms awarded the British. The Chinese readily agreed in an effort to keep all foreigners on the same footing.

U.S. President John Tyler chose Massachusetts Congressman Caleb Cushing as his representative in treaty negotiations with the Chinese. Cushing and his counterparts reached the terms of the treaty quickly and signed it at Wangxia, a suburb of the Portuguese port city of Macau, in 1844. The Treaty of Wangxia replicated many of the key terms of the Treaty of Nanjing. Most importantly, it established five treaty ports as open for Chinese-Western trade (Guangzhou, Xiamen, Fuzhou, Ningbo, and Shanghai). These treaty ports became key crossroads for Western and Chinese culture, as they were the first locations where foreigners and foreign trading operations could own land in China.

The U.S. treaty was somewhat longer than the British version, as it included major points from the Treaty of Nanjing, but also added some issues of particular interest to the United States. Article 17 protected the interests of American missionaries in China (several had acted as translators during the negotiation process). Article 18 allowed Americans living or working in China to employ tutors to help them learn Chinese, a practice formerly forbidden by the Chinese Government. Unlike Great Britain, the United States agreed that anyone involved in the opium trade or the smuggling of contraband would be prosecuted under Chinese law, but, with that exception, the treaty allowed for other Americans in China to be afforded the benefits of extraterritoriality. This meant that any American accused of committing a crime in China would not be subject to the jurisdiction of the local law, but would instead be tried and, if necessary, punished by American officials in China. Due to the most-favored-nation clause in all of the western powers' treaties with the Chinese Government, any special consideration given one power could ultimately be claimed by them all.

FACTS from US Dept of State archives.

http://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/dwe/82011.htm

 

China. Interesting. My thoughts are here...http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/304103-china-will-new-host.html

 

take a job in one of million China´s slave factory, work there for 150 USD 10 hours , 6 days a week , with only 4 red days and then we can talk again

 

and Russians, and Germans and west in general...

 

they 1 000 000 strong army and second biggest economy so its fly ...very much fly

 

When I said "doesn't really fly" I meant it in terms of international law and precedent. A bully can always find a causus belli for his actions but that doesn't mean it is valid.

 

i know what you meant , inferential law usually (unfortunately)on strongest side ....just wait couple of more years and see ...

 

Mod edit,,insult...flounder

No country wants to be a part of another country even if the latter is a paradise on earth. For instance, even the Filipino revolutionaries waged a bloody war of independence (1899–1902) against the US invaders following the annexation of their impoverished country by the filthy-rich American Empire.

Taking another example, suppose a wealthy man offers a few million American dollars for your child, I don't think you would stoop so low as to accept the offer.

All the while, you have been "fiddling" or expending your energy on a useless and misguided smear campaign against China. Now Stockholm is burning, will you continue "fiddling" like Nero? Your lack of interest in the current events in Sweden increases my long-held suspicion that you are one of the 15 percent of foreign-born asylum-seekers there.

Stockholm is burning
http://www.humanevents.com/2013/05/23/stockholm-is-burning/

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/304322-another-riot-stockholm-burns.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/303642-youths-burn-100-cars-north-stockholm-riots.html

Philippine–American War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine–American_War

Did Nero really play the fiddle while Rome burned?
http://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/nero2.htm

 

Our GDL joker mentions England and Italy as two European tributaries of Imperial China. A check in the wikipedia website uncovers two more European tributaries -- Netherlands and Portugal.

I hope it was true that the four European countries had really paid tributes to China -- not that other Chinese and I want China to claim them as Chinese territories but the "information", if proved to be a "historic fact", would be a great uplift on the Chinese national psyche.

Alas! Any Tom, Dick or Harry could dump all sorts of rubbish on the wikipedia website. It won't be surprising that we could even find God's Kingdom in the list after sometime. I would be very pleased if any netizen could provide us with some useful links to authentic and reliable information.

List of tributaries of Imperial China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tributaries_of_Imperial_China

Imperial Chinese tributary system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Chinese_tributary_system

Is the list of tributaries of Imperial China realistic?

 

LOL. uplift by the Bribery historical records ....Oh oh its something new ..., in that case what kind of people you are Hans? but again turks are proud of historical records of rapes so...

 

No - their workers are getting stonger than yours now, as you ought to know.

 

do you know that the labor unions are illegal in China?

 

I wouldn't read too much into the general's comments. Just the usual attention seeking. At least when General McChrystal undermined the aspirations of the USA, he was duly sacked. The reality of the situation is that China needs Japan and most of the world's developed nations to trade with and therefore survive, according to statistics. This whole island dispute will never lead to war because everybody has so much to lose in such a situation. The general's comments are nothing more than North Korea-esqe sabre rattling. Empty words with nothing to back them up.

 

the government forces people to pretend they do not believe, it's just as bad as a theocracy imo

 

They pretend they don't believe in a dreamt up deity that no one has ever talked to except Bush the liar in order to persuade his gullible constituency that invading a distant ME country was a god given right? Yeah, I prefer China, by far.

 

just like in a theocracy they force people to pretend to believe as they want them too, or they stomp on them, I would not want to live in China or a Theocracy

one can't force people to believe what they want, they can only force them to pretend to

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