Why won't Hispanics Assimilate into American Culture?

Libhater · Jun 17, 2013

Shiva_TD said: ↑

Just another confirmation that right-wing racism is alive and well in America.
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And what exactly is this right wing racism that you're going on about? Be specific.

When we point to the fact that Republican immigration policies are based upon anti-Hispanic racism (which is technically discrimination based upon ethnic heritage) we have a lot of support for that conclusion based upon what the right-wing racists openly state.
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Again, be specific in citing a particular instance or a particular Republican immigration policy that is based on racism.

The real problem isn't the black man or the Hispanic in America but instead the real problem is the White Nationalist in America today. They oppose the very ideals upon which America was founded where "ALL men are Created Equal" and they try to pawn off their distorted and corrupt beliefs as if there is a ligitimate foundation for them. The create the problem by victimizing minorities and then blame the victim for the problems they create.
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Total hogwash! All men were created equal, but that doesn't mean that the slacker stays equal to someone who actually went out and worked for a living. What you get mixed up with is the difference between being created equal (which we all were) and that of remaining equal--perhaps by evening the playing field or by using the lefty policy of redistributing the money by government fiat. And victimizing minorities? LOL! The leftist policies that keep the minorities and or the poor on a perpetual cradle to grave lifestyle of bennies was and is initiated by liberals or leftists. These people have become victims of leftist policies, whereas the Conservatives are always pushing to eliminate government control and invest in people so that they can start to pull their own dead weight for a change. God helps those that help themselves, and HE once told me that He would even give consideration in helping a leftist who helped himself--though the chances of that happening are quite rare.

Margot · Jun 17, 2013

garyd said: ↑

But recording was invented by Americans street lights by and Americans,
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Street lights were invented by Arabs in Cordoba.. eons ago.

perdidochas · Jun 17, 2013

Libhater said: ↑

One of the most obvious ways Mexican-Americans show continued loyalty to Mexico is by sending money. In 2005, an estimated $20 billion left the country for Mexico, making immigrant remittances the second largest source of foreign exchange, after oil imports and ahead of tourism. In 2005, immigrants sent another $12 billion to Central America and $22 billion to other South American countries, which meant that Hispanic immigrants sent approximately $55 billion out of the US economy.

A lot of the money goes straight to Mexican governments at various levels. In 2004, there were an estimated 500 Mexican mutual aid societies in the United States that raised money for Mexican towns or states. That year, they helped fund 1,435 public works projects in 300 municipalities.

Four-fifths of Mexicans here would say that if they had a job in Mexico, they'd go back right away.

Hispanics are nevertheless the ethnic group least likely to buy medical insurance, and therefore the most likely to seek treatment at public expense. Thirty-one percent of Hispanics are uninsured, vs. 11 percent of whites and 19.1 percent of blacks.

In 1998, Mexico changed its law to allow citizens to retain Mexican nationality even if they naturalize, and Mexicans who had already lost their citizenship by naturalizing could reapply for it at a Mexican consulate.

Charles Truxilo, a professor of Chicano studies at the University of New Mexico, thinks "Rpublica del Norte" would be a good name for a new Hispanic nation, which would contain all of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas and the southern part of Colorado.

Armando Navarro, Hispanic activist and professor at the University of California at Riverside is another 'Reconquista' advocate, noting that if current social and demographic trends continue, seccession is inevitable.

Probably the best known Reconquista organization is the Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan, better known by its Spanish acronym of MEChA. The word Aztlan in the organization's name means "the bronze continent," the name the nation members plan to carve out of the United States. One of its founding documents, El Plan de Aztlan, describes white people as "the brutal 'gringo'," and calls for Mexicans to reclaim "the land of their birth." The group's motto is Por la Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada: "For the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing."

Reconquista and Aztlan are taught in some American High Schools.

WHITE IDENTITY

ps: Did anyone get the feeling, as did I, that these Hispanics aren't much different than our jews when reading the line..."For the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing"...though the jews aren't a race per se?
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Hispanics are assimilating. History shows us that the big immigrant groups look like they aren't assimilating at the time. Assimilation is generational, not immediate. Think about "Little Italy" and "Chinatown." Those are examples of non-assimilation. Yet, now, Italian-Americans are pretty much totally assimilated. Ben Franklin complained that the Germans in Pennsylvania weren't assimilating. They did. All immigrant groups eventually assimilate, and Hispanics are no exception. I remember reading in the Miami Herald in the late 1980s, about the older Cubans complaining that their grandkids were getting Americanized.

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Libhater said: ↑

One of the most obvious ways Mexican-Americans show continued loyalty to Mexico is by sending money. In 2005, an estimated $20 billion left the country for Mexico, making immigrant remittances the second largest source of foreign exchange, after oil imports and ahead of tourism. In 2005, immigrants sent another $12 billion to Central America and $22 billion to other South American countries, which meant that Hispanic immigrants sent approximately $55 billion out of the US economy.

A lot of the money goes straight to Mexican governments at various levels. In 2004, there were an estimated 500 Mexican mutual aid societies in the United States that raised money for Mexican towns or states. That year, they helped fund 1,435 public works projects in 300 municipalities.

Four-fifths of Mexicans here would say that if they had a job in Mexico, they'd go back right away.

Hispanics are nevertheless the ethnic group least likely to buy medical insurance, and therefore the most likely to seek treatment at public expense. Thirty-one percent of Hispanics are uninsured, vs. 11 percent of whites and 19.1 percent of blacks.

In 1998, Mexico changed its law to allow citizens to retain Mexican nationality even if they naturalize, and Mexicans who had already lost their citizenship by naturalizing could reapply for it at a Mexican consulate.

Charles Truxilo, a professor of Chicano studies at the University of New Mexico, thinks "Rpublica del Norte" would be a good name for a new Hispanic nation, which would contain all of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas and the southern part of Colorado.

Armando Navarro, Hispanic activist and professor at the University of California at Riverside is another 'Reconquista' advocate, noting that if current social and demographic trends continue, seccession is inevitable.

Probably the best known Reconquista organization is the Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan, better known by its Spanish acronym of MEChA. The word Aztlan in the organization's name means "the bronze continent," the name the nation members plan to carve out of the United States. One of its founding documents, El Plan de Aztlan, describes white people as "the brutal 'gringo'," and calls for Mexicans to reclaim "the land of their birth." The group's motto is Por la Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada: "For the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing."

Reconquista and Aztlan are taught in some American High Schools.

WHITE IDENTITY

ps: Did anyone get the feeling, as did I, that these Hispanics aren't much different than our jews when reading the line..."For the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing"...though the jews aren't a race per se?
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Hispanics are assimilating. History shows us that the big immigrant groups look like they aren't assimilating at the time. Assimilation is generational, not immediate. Think about "Little Italy" and "Chinatown." Those are examples of non-assimilation. Yet, now, Italian-Americans are pretty much totally assimilated. Ben Franklin complained that the Germans in Pennsylvania weren't assimilating. They did. All immigrant groups eventually assimilate, and Hispanics are no exception. I remember reading in the Miami Herald in the late 1980s, about the older Cubans complaining that their grandkids were getting Americanized.

perdidochas · Jun 17, 2013

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I have to say,I agree with everything you said. Why would they want to become a part of our society,when they can bring ther own here,without opposition.
I grew up in southern California,and once thought I would ever leave.But after watching the flood of illegals come in over the years,changing the entire lifestyle and landscape there,I have moved out.I moved to Georgia.Even there,latino communities exist.Southeast Gainesville,Ga. looks like Tijuana.Business signs are all in spanish,builings painted purple,brite green and orange.Just like in Mexico.Sothern Cal. has already been taken over,but it's happening everywhere.As long as we have the dems in control,this movement will continue to grow.
It's time to take our country back!!!
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That reads a lot like what Ben Franklin wrote about the Pennsylvania Germans in the 1750s.

Pennywise · Jun 17, 2013

They won't assimilate because they don't have to. It's that simple.

johnmayo · Jun 17, 2013

snakestretcher said: ↑

Well now, I listen to a lot of jazz which had its roots in Africa, classical music which is mostly of European origin, Bluegrass (Scottish and Irish origin) on CDs invented by an American (I'll concede that one, although it was jointly developed by the Japanese and Dutch in collaboration-Sony and Phillips), and I watch a television which was invented by a Scot, John Logie Baird.
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Name the African musician that moved Jazz. You don't get to claim black Americans for the world.

A Scot invented television? I didn't know that. Guess that electricity invention really paid off worldwide.

A better argument anyway is that you invented most of the Scotch and whiskey that was the inspiration for all these American novels and songs you like.

Margot · Jun 17, 2013

perdidochas said: ↑

That reads a lot like what Ben Franklin wrote about the Pennsylvania Germans in the 1750s.
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You are correct that it takes about 2 generations for any immigrants to assimilate.. This is a stupid hate thread like so many others.

As for street lights... see Muslim Spain.

goober · Jun 17, 2013

Libhater said: ↑

One of the most obvious ways Mexican-Americans show continued loyalty to Mexico is by sending money. In 2005, an estimated $20 billion left the country for Mexico, making immigrant remittances the second largest source of foreign exchange, after oil imports and ahead of tourism. In 2005, immigrants sent another $12 billion to Central America and $22 billion to other South American countries, which meant that Hispanic immigrants sent approximately $55 billion out of the US economy.

A lot of the money goes straight to Mexican governments at various levels. In 2004, there were an estimated 500 Mexican mutual aid societies in the United States that raised money for Mexican towns or states. That year, they helped fund 1,435 public works projects in 300 municipalities.

Four-fifths of Mexicans here would say that if they had a job in Mexico, they'd go back right away.

Hispanics are nevertheless the ethnic group least likely to buy medical insurance, and therefore the most likely to seek treatment at public expense. Thirty-one percent of Hispanics are uninsured, vs. 11 percent of whites and 19.1 percent of blacks.

In 1998, Mexico changed its law to allow citizens to retain Mexican nationality even if they naturalize, and Mexicans who had already lost their citizenship by naturalizing could reapply for it at a Mexican consulate.

Charles Truxilo, a professor of Chicano studies at the University of New Mexico, thinks "Rpublica del Norte" would be a good name for a new Hispanic nation, which would contain all of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas and the southern part of Colorado.

Armando Navarro, Hispanic activist and professor at the University of California at Riverside is another 'Reconquista' advocate, noting that if current social and demographic trends continue, seccession is inevitable.

Probably the best known Reconquista organization is the Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan, better known by its Spanish acronym of MEChA. The word Aztlan in the organization's name means "the bronze continent," the name the nation members plan to carve out of the United States. One of its founding documents, El Plan de Aztlan, describes white people as "the brutal 'gringo'," and calls for Mexicans to reclaim "the land of their birth." The group's motto is Por la Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada: "For the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing."

Reconquista and Aztlan are taught in some American High Schools.

WHITE IDENTITY

ps: Did anyone get the feeling, as did I, that these Hispanics aren't much different than our jews when reading the line..."For the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing"...though the jews aren't a race per se?
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Hispanics are assimilating faster than any previous ethnic group.
Hispanics learn and speak English at a faster rate than any previous non-English speaking ethnic group. Hispanics adopt "American" ideas, and "American" values faster than any previous ethnic group.

Margot · Jun 17, 2013

goober said: ↑

Hispanics are assimilating faster than any previous ethnic group.
Hispanics learn and speak English at a faster rate than any previous non-English speaking ethnic group. Hispanics adopt "American" ideas, and "American" values faster than any previous ethnic group.
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Exactly.. this is just another racist thread... Predictable.

snakestretcher · Jun 17, 2013

johnmayo said: ↑

Name the African musician that moved Jazz. You don't get to claim black Americans for the world.

A Scot invented television? I didn't know that. Guess that electricity invention really paid off worldwide.

A better argument anyway is that you invented most of the Scotch and whiskey that was the inspiration for all these American novels and songs you like.
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Like I said, music evolves. Black African music>Blues>Jazz>Rock etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz

Wizard From Oz · Jun 17, 2013

snakestretcher said: ↑

Well now, I listen to a lot of jazz which had its roots in Africa, classical music which is mostly of European origin, Bluegrass (Scottish and Irish origin) on CDs invented by an American (I'll concede that one, although it was jointly developed by the Japanese and Dutch in collaboration-Sony and Phillips), and I watch a television which was invented by a Scot, John Logie Baird.
Hope this helps
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The English invented Cricket and Doctor Who - We all know if aliens ever come to visit, thats what they will be really interested in. Not super carriers and 24 hour news services lol

Turin · Jun 17, 2013

Libhater said: ↑

One of the most obvious ways Mexican-Americans show continued loyalty to Mexico is by sending money. In 2005, an estimated $20 billion left the country for Mexico, making immigrant remittances the second largest source of foreign exchange, after oil imports and ahead of tourism. In 2005, immigrants sent another $12 billion to Central America and $22 billion to other South American countries, which meant that Hispanic immigrants sent approximately $55 billion out of the US economy.

A lot of the money goes straight to Mexican governments at various levels. In 2004, there were an estimated 500 Mexican mutual aid societies in the United States that raised money for Mexican towns or states. That year, they helped fund 1,435 public works projects in 300 municipalities.

Four-fifths of Mexicans here would say that if they had a job in Mexico, they'd go back right away.

Hispanics are nevertheless the ethnic group least likely to buy medical insurance, and therefore the most likely to seek treatment at public expense. Thirty-one percent of Hispanics are uninsured, vs. 11 percent of whites and 19.1 percent of blacks.

In 1998, Mexico changed its law to allow citizens to retain Mexican nationality even if they naturalize, and Mexicans who had already lost their citizenship by naturalizing could reapply for it at a Mexican consulate.

Charles Truxilo, a professor of Chicano studies at the University of New Mexico, thinks "Rpublica del Norte" would be a good name for a new Hispanic nation, which would contain all of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas and the southern part of Colorado.

Armando Navarro, Hispanic activist and professor at the University of California at Riverside is another 'Reconquista' advocate, noting that if current social and demographic trends continue, seccession is inevitable.

Probably the best known Reconquista organization is the Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan, better known by its Spanish acronym of MEChA. The word Aztlan in the organization's name means "the bronze continent," the name the nation members plan to carve out of the United States. One of its founding documents, El Plan de Aztlan, describes white people as "the brutal 'gringo'," and calls for Mexicans to reclaim "the land of their birth." The group's motto is Por la Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada: "For the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing."

Reconquista and Aztlan are taught in some American High Schools.

WHITE IDENTITY

ps: Did anyone get the feeling, as did I, that these Hispanics aren't much different than our jews when reading the line..."For the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing"...though the jews aren't a race per se?
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Is this the latest idea from Stormfront?

Margot · Jun 17, 2013

Turin said: ↑

Is this the latest idea from Stormfront?
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LOLOLOL Most likely.

snakestretcher · Jun 17, 2013

Wizard From Oz said: ↑

The English invented Cricket and Doctor Who - We all know if aliens ever come to visit, thats what they will be really interested in. Not super carriers and 24 hour news services lol
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If they're as confused by Cricket as I still am, they're in for a fun time figuring out what a Leg bye and Silly mid on are...

johnmayo · Jun 17, 2013

snakestretcher said: ↑

Leg bye and Silly mid ...
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Euros!

Libhater · Jun 17, 2013

Turin said: ↑

Is this the latest idea from Stormfront?
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Not quite, since all of those quotes of Hispanics hating and despising living in America come from leftist professors or from Chicano radicals themselves. Hope that clears it up for you. And if you want me to supply further bibliography of those quotes--other than from the book "WHITE IDENTITY by Jared Taylor--then I'll be happy to oblige. So the idea behind all of the problems with Hispanic immigration comes from Hispanics themselves. Got it now? No reason to blame the immigration problems on Stormfront, for as far as I can see--they had nothing to do with the Chicanos wanting to take over Southwestern America, and do it while they suck up all the free bennies from our generous government.

Margot · Jun 17, 2013

Libhater said: ↑

Not quite, since all of those quotes of Hispanics hating and despising living in America come from leftist professors or from Chicano radicals themselves. Hope that clears it up for you. And if you want me to supply further bibliography of those quotes--other than from the book "WHITE IDENTITY by Jared Taylor--then I'll be happy to oblige. So the idea behind all of the problems with Hispanic immigration comes from Hispanics themselves. Got it now?
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What is your heritage.. Did your family of origin immigrate or are you American Indian?

Libhater · Jun 17, 2013

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What is your heritage.. Did your family of origin immigrate or are you American Indian?
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I have 50/50 English/Irish heritage. Now try comparing the work ethic, the love of country and the determination to succeed in whatever endeavor we Irish/English Americans sought with the attitudes of these recent Hispanic immigrants.

Shiva_TD · Jun 17, 2013

Libhater said: ↑

And what exactly is this right wing racism that you're going on about? Be specific.
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"White Nationalism" is racism.

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Again, be specific in citing a particular instance or a particular Republican immigration policy that is based on racism.
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Our immigration laws that limit immigration target Hispanics and while "Hispanic" refers to a cultural trait those of "American Hispanic" heritage are typically "mixed-blood" of native-Americans and European roots and that is a "racial" classifiction.

Libhater said: ↑

Total hogwash! All men were created equal, but that doesn't mean that the slacker stays equal to someone who actually went out and worked for a living.
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The Mexican-Americans and other North and South American "Hispanic" immigrants overwhelmingly come to the United States to work so obviously this doesn't apply to them. Even the OP noted that they come here to work because there aren't jobs for them in their native countries.

So why does the "right-wing" oppose legal immigration for "Hispanics" that are coming to the United State or that want to come to the United States to work for a living? If they're here working for a living then they're not "slackers" and are "equal" to every other person in the United States and arguably better than the "slackers" that are American citizens.

The truth is that the Republican don't oppose them coming here to work, because Republicans support people working for a living, and instead they oppose them coming here because they're "Mexicans" and that is the only reason. Immgrants that come to the United States to work have always benefited the US economy and the nation but if they're "Mexicans" then Republicans oppose allowing them to immigrate legally and then whine and complain when they come here "illegally" to work for a living.

Margot · Jun 17, 2013

Libhater said: ↑

I have 50/50 English/Irish heritage. Now try comparing the work ethic, the love of country and the determination to succeed in whatever endeavor we Irish/English Americans sought with the attitudes of these recent Hispanic immigrants.
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Your work ethic is about promoting racism and hatred on every thread you start?????

My family is Dutch and Scotch/Irish.. and I don't have your problem.

Shiva_TD · Jun 17, 2013

Libhater said: ↑

I have 50/50 English/Irish heritage. Now try comparing the work ethic, the love of country and the determination to succeed in whatever endeavor we Irish/English Americans sought with the attitudes of these recent Hispanic immigrants.
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Mexicans also come here to work for a living and are willing to perform hard manual labor for wages that no American will work for... identical to other immigrants historically in the US and early Irish immigration and Chinese immigration are examples.

Sadly often when these immigrants come to America they're often met with invidious hatred and prejudice as opposed to being welcomed because they're hard working people trying to get ahead in life for the benefit of their families and that provide a vital labor force necessary in the US economy.

foreversunshine · Jun 17, 2013

Karma Mechanic said: ↑

then why are you ignorant of what the vast majority of immigrants did.
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Hahaha thanks for the "conversation". Enjoy your day!

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Pretty presumptuous of you to point to your "grandparents" as an example for all who came through Ellis Island.
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Why is it?

Shiva_TD · Jun 17, 2013

Margot said: ↑

My family is Dutch and Scotch/Irish.. and I don't have your problem.
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I'm Danish/English with family roots pre-dating the American Revolution and I don't have a problem with those that want to come to the United States to work hard and try to achieve the American Dream but I have a serious problem with those that are "white nationalists" that don't believe that "ALL men are Created Equal" and instead believe the United States is a "White Nation" because it's not nor should it ever have been based upon the American Political Ideology.

Personally I oppose all immigration restrictions based upon race, ethnic heritage, religion, national origin, or other invidious criteria because those laws violate the Ideals upon which America was founded. The US Constitution doesn't even enumerate the authority to Congress to limit immigration so why do we have laws where the government has no enumerated authority?

Libhater · Jun 17, 2013

Shiva_TD said: ↑

Mexicans also come here to work for a living and are willing to perform hard manual labor for wages that no American will work for... identical to other immigrants historically in the US and early Irish immigration and Chinese immigration are examples.
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What I'm talking about with reference to recent Mexican immigrants is their overwhelming need and preference to make enough money in the states so that they can go back to their beloved homeland of Mexico. Further Mexican/American examples of their hatred for America is the constant drumbeat of many of their social leaders to take back Southwestern America by any means available, and to annex it back to Mexico.

Sadly often when these immigrants come to America they're often met with invidious hatred and prejudice as opposed to being welcomed because they're hard working people trying to get ahead in life for the benefit of their families and that provide a vital labor force necessary in the US economy.
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For the most part this is bullcrap. They certainly weren't met with more hatred then did any of our other foreign immigrants. If they were met with hatred it was only because they brought it on themselves with crime and with flooding our hospitals and welfare lines looking for the freebies.

Libhater · Jun 17, 2013

Margot said: ↑

Your work ethic is about promoting racism and hatred on every thread you start?????

My family is Dutch and Scotch/Irish.. and I don't have your problem.
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Look, this serious thread doesn't need you trolling it.

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