Why Australia should scratch the F-35 and fly Sukhois?

LOL!

You keep telling yourself that.

AboveAlpha

 

Trolling?

I've already told you not to follow all this childish US mass media propoganda.

Yes it's a big despair to know you're not the best!

Get used!

SU-35S nad PAK FA are arriving!

 

You are WAY too funny! LOL!

You know....it doesn't bother me reading your claims because I know along with every pilot that lives...that given a choice between a Russian Fighter Aircraft and the U.S. equivalent...that the Russian model has copied...the pilot will choose the American fighter ever time.

THAT...is why every country that was allowed to....purchased F-15's, F-16's and F-18's between the early 1980's all the way up to now.

The Su-35 was available for sale all during these past 30 years and NO ONE BOUGHT THEM.

AboveAlpha

 

I'm sorry which SU-35 namely?

o r

you still think this ONE model for all cases?


Talk about the topic not about your impications, thinking and conclusion.

F-38 is a dud as somebody told here.


Dangerous dud for the pilots that are goin to fly it.

It doesn't meet no real demand a customer would want to have.

It cannot even cover all the Australian territory to defend it This plane has to come back to refuel.

Instead SU-35 S can fly over the whole country doing whatever a pilot wants without even paying attention to F-35.

I'm afraid a pilot in F-35 won't have a time to say 'ah'... seeing SU-35 S.

Stay dreaming in you nice fairy tales where USAF can drive down any body they want.

Russian gadgets arrive!

p.s. How about robotic fighetr in ...when did you say you vere going to put it into commisssion...in 2025.

PAK FA is coming next year!

 

I heared Sukhois are very thirsty planes,
is this true?

 

Break the news gently to KGB.

 

the new AL-41F engines will allow Russian jets to supercruise – fly at supersonic speed for long distances. By not having to switch their afterburners on, aircraft are able to save a lot of fuel. Translation – non-supercruising fighters such as the F-35 and F-18s will be at a huge disadvantage against the Sukhois.

 

US warriors are the best and so are their weapons. But they serve a degenerate people riven with insane divisions. That is what will prevent them from winning a conflict with China in the Western Pacific. Sad but true.

 

No wonder there so much anti Americanism on these forums and around the world. Posts like this do no more than add fuel to the fire

 

Thanks for your opinion. I'll take it to heart.



So what is the view of the J-20 and F-35 among some Chinese interlocutors? Here's a sample of opinion:



"...I noticed some news on the Internet which said that J-20 fight have been transfered from Chengdu to Yanliang in Xian. This is more important than any kind of flight testing. If the plane is flying in Chengdu then this is testing done by the manufacturer as part of the manufacturing process. But if the test flight is done at Yanliang then the testing is done by government to see whether the fighter has achieved the standards.This is called the "design finalization test flight". This is of the assessment nature. Because at Yanliang test flights will be equipped with various kinds of measureing devices. Everything is said by numbers. The feelings of the pilots is also another way to evaluate. Therefore, where the test flights are done is more important than what kind of maneuvers the planes are doing.

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According to the above article, J-20 has been turned over to the government to be tested officially. This means that if the government decides that the J-20 is acceptable then a small number of them can be produced beginning as early as 2015. I had said that it is a good idea for the Chinese government to build several prototypes and make tests in parallel. I heard that as many as 4 prototypes have been built and testing was done frequently. It appears that the J-20 is now ready to be tested by the government.

I had also said that if the J-20 is acceptable in basic features such as stealth, avionics, radars, missiles, etc. then a small number of them can be built as soon as possible beginning as early as 2014 or 2015. Then improvements can be made to subsequent fighters as new technologies are developed. For example, the J-20 can use a less powerful engine for now. When more powerful model of engines are developed, they can replace the old engines. Similarly, the current model of AESA can be used and when more powerful model of AESA radars are developed, then they can replace the old radars.

If 25 J-20 can de deployed in 2015, 50 per year in 2016, 2017 and 2018, then by the end of 2018 China would have as many as 175 J-20. Coupled with some 1,200 J-11B/C, J-10A, J-35, J-15, J-16, etc. China would be ready to take on Japan and the US at the same time. I doubt if Japan can have any F-35 ready for deployment by 2018. So if America located 150 or 60% of its less than 250 F-22 and F-35 to Asia (Japan, Ryukyu, S. Korea, Guam, etc.), China would still have more J-20 than America has F-22 and F-35.

By 2020, China could deploy another 100 J-20 and maybe even 100 J-31 for a total of 370 5th generation stealth fighters. Then China would have an overwhelming superiority over American fighters. And with the deployment of dozens of KJ-3000 AWACS (with ability to detect American F-22 and F-35 stealth fighters) coordinating the battles, Chinese fighters can dominate the air in every direction.

Also by 2020, China could have deployed as many as 5 aircraft carrier battle groups carrying 100 J-31 and 100 J-15. Then China can dominate the Indian Ocean even if America and India combine to fight China."

This post is fairly representative of Chinese opinion.

 

The F-35 is operational, with the USMC having stood-up its first operational F-35B (JSF) squadron at MCAS Yuma; while there are no PAK FA actually operational at the moment...there's not enough publically available intel to make a comparison with any clarity...so threads like this are just pointless pissing contests.

The PAK FA is considered a 5th generation aircraft, on par with the F-22..but as I say, the F-22 has been operational for almost a decade..while the PAK FA...? Not operational.

Besides in the 2025 - 30 timeframe, the United States will have 6th generation fighter aircraft operational with design factors in mind that will allow it to be able to operate in the anti-access/area-denial environment that will exist in the 2030–50 timeframe. These are already in the design phases at various "skunkwork" facilities....while the PAK FA, a competent 5th generation fighter design, has yet to even go operational.

Russia and China will be playing catch up for a while.

Boris and Natasha can brag all they want...but after the collapse of the USSR, and even before....the Soviets fell behind and have stayed behind the fighter technology curve. The U.S. intends to stay in the lead through at least mid-century.

 

The Russian fighter's major flaw is it assumes Russia will be able to pay someone to pilot it. Aren't they poorer then Mexico now?

 

What does it have to do with Australia which is forced to buy an imminently acward and clumsy aircraft?

If Australians face even Chinese and Indian pilots in SU-35s they're finished.

The difference in speed, bad maneuvrability, an overheated engine ( a stealth techmology ?) will have its say before F-35 ever has a chance to react.

This morning Russians decided to put X-38 missiles on SU-35S which runs at 2.2 Machs.

Good bye USAF superioprity!

PAK FA will come into vision next year in full splendour!


Somebody said something about 2025-2030 years robotic planes?

The experience of F-35 building makes doubt about it every sane person .

Maybe for 100 000 000 000 000 USD.

Why not?

1 robotic aircraft for all USAF as a new vogue in advanced combat!

 

While I prefer not to engage in these pointless pissing contests with the Ruskies...

The Air Force's X-51A Waverider reached a top speed of Mach 5.1 during the test flight, traveling more than 230 nautical miles in just over six minutes...

The United States is well ahead of the curve in scramjet and hypersonic technology.

http://www.space.com/20967-air-force-x-51a-hypersonic-scramjet.html

We're ahead of the curve comrade....despite the fact it chaps your Ruskie behinds...after the collapse...your research & development stagnated for over a decade....

We have two 5th generation airframes and systems that are operational...in the F-22 and F-35B....

The PAK FA ....none.

 

When one cannot afford Tiffany's, one shops at Wal-Mart.

If you cannot afford proven US excellence you buy Russian/Chinese junk.

 

Yes...the damn things will burn through 33% of their fuel using afterburner for 90 seconds. As well they will burn through almost 80% of their fuel using afterburner getting to an altitude of 50,000 feet.

The Su-35 when burning through this amount of fuel allows itself very little...ON STATION TIME...for combat operations. Compared to an F15C...the Su-35 will have 40% smaller Combat Radius as well it would have ZERO CHANCE of detecting either an F-22 or F-35 until the Su-35's radar detected a missile launched by either of these two American Planes traveling toward it.

The Su-35's Targeting Radar is vastly inferior to any current USAF Fighter Aircraft in service.

AboveAlpha

 

If by DEGENERATE....you mean Highly Trained and Capable...well then you would be right.


AboveAlpha

 

Then why do you keep yourself engaged in it, Amerikanets ?

 

No, they're not thirsty.

Besides every SU model has its own engine.

So a person who talk about SU's engines without specifying which plane he means looks like a person who answers a question about how thirsty Mercedes for example without telling each model, type, engine and year of production from each other!

As to ... The Su-35's Targeting Radar is vastly inferior to any current USAF Fighter Aircraft in service.... who told it...another US analytical center or so called GRU site?

Ah I forgot the mainstream...

American gadgets are best best best..

Nobody buys it except unhappy US allies and weak countries but this old squeking song is being kept sung.

 

Nice comment!
Pilots must be paid to fly up!.

History says sometimes states are so hard pressed that they don't have money during the war.
Sooner or later it will happen to the USA, So what are supposed to do so higly trained US pilots if they don't get paid up?

Yes

I understand... they must go on strike!

Russians for example passed through such situations through their long. long war history fighting without money and sometimes without eating.

I presume that many old nations warriors passed through the same situation: Germans, Frenchmen,British military, Japanese, Vietnamese ...

You can count up them to the next day..

And only american pilots according to you won't pilot their planes if the Treasure won't hurry up to pay them salary.

 

Tiffany?

I'd say a frock for funeral if somebody want to fly F-35 rare junk or dud as other people call it against a real SU-35S masterpiece!

 

It really does not matter much which planes Australia decides to field...as any need for air support will swiftly be assisted by at least one U.S.Carrier group. There is no country in the world that would wish to deal with that, and our allies are well aware of it.

I will state however, that it is unlikely anyone here truly understands the capabilities of the aircraft in question, let alone the unpublished details of the current versions.

 

How about Turbine 33?

Such stuations were happening with Russian spetsnaz but Soviet commanders have never tried to pull out of ambushes their people with helicopters like Chinook. Every body knew in Afganistan that soldiers in ambush had to be helped with assault helicopters. That was the law!

Are those US commanders who sent 1 Chinook which IMMINENTLY had to be shot down by simple gun, machinegun or RPG 7 not just degenerates?

Higly trained and capable but degenerates!

 

Russians are used to poverty. No denying that.

 

And Americans are used to fight for their Motherland for money. No denying that.