The Rise and Fall of Detriot...thank you Progressivism

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  1. ringotuna

    ringotuna Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    BEA statistics show Texas in the highest quadrille for percent change in personal income from 2010 to 2011.
    http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/spi/2012/spi0312.htm

    Between 2000 and 2011 Texas Annual Average Wage/Salary Disbursements per Job increased 28.8%. This is on par/just slightly above the national average of 27.4%.

    http://bber.unm.edu/econ/us-wage.htm
     
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    How has every other big city adapted? When cities lost the steel industry they adopted different economic policies too woo in other businesses. Detroit was still trying to live under the halcyon days of big auto, even when those jobs and that industry was changing.
     
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    Yet you jumped right to Trump because you despise him more than economic leaders who are considered leftist. I don't need to deflect to expose bias.
     
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    I jumped right to Trump because he was the one mentioned in the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing OP.
     
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    Wait, what? Where in the ORIGINATING POST was Trump mentioned? How can I argue with someone that doesn't even know what an OP is? It's OK, you hate Trump. I really don't care. I just find it fascinating, the level of hatred people have for businessmen that they don't share a political philosophy with.
     
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    Sorry. Trump was mentioned in the post I originally responded to. Not the OP.

    I didn't bring Trump into the conversation. Someone else did.
     
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    you understand the differance between the auto industry and the city, eh? :|
     
  8. Alwayssa

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    But that would depend on what the city has to offer. When the TRA 86 went into effect, there was a massive flow of wealth that went from the Midwest to the West/East coast. That was about the same time as the steel indusrtry beginning to go under. In effect, Detroit lost the financial aspects because it was no longer a regional hub. And in those days, traveling from Detroit to the East or West coast was a half day enfeavor.

    What made Detroit, Detroit was not the auto industry, but because the city was a regional, financial hub for most of the farmers in the medwest, with Chicago as a secondary option. In other words, Detroit did not have the resources to compete with the East or West coast with all the financial wealth moving from the midwest to the coastal areas.
     
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    I'm talking about the Heirhead, Henry Ford II. Until we abolish inheritance, we will stay on the road to serfdom. The guillotine fodder have no talent for their positions; the only way they can stay on top is to crush those beneath them.
     
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    You might want to read some history books. Then your "thank you" to progressives wouldn't be ironic.

    Hope you are enjoying the weekend. It was brought to you by the progressives of the American labor movement.
     
  11. Libhater

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    Its great and somewhat surprising to have a leftist come back and expose their utter ignorance to this issue the way you just did. But I thank you nonetheless, for it gives me one more opening to present the facts again about your Communist backed progressive policies concerning your labor unions.

    Of course, I'm just repeating some of the verse from the opening link I provided:

    Henry Ford was adamantly 'OPPOSED' to Labor Unions, which were created by Communists, because labor union leaders advocated violence and workplace disruptions. Ford correctly saw that in the long run labor unions would hurt the manufacturers who provided the jobs for the unskilled and illiterate, and thereby hurt the workers they proposed to help.

    Barely one year after the United Auto Workers was formed in 1936; strikes were shutting down the places of employment for millions of people.

    I hope you are enjoying your weekend--preferably far away from any of those 100 or so blue-stated cities where Al Sharpton's violent race-baiting protests took place. I, on the other hand am enjoying a peaceful and relaxing weekend fishing, hunting and sitting back reading up on many of my Conservative Think Tank publications which include the latest ideas from the Tea Party faithful; all of course having the one main objective in planning a strategy to win the 2014 elections backed by a Conservative/Capitalistic/Christian mindset; which does of course include plans to eliminate the anti American filth of Communist labor unions from the face of the earth.
     
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    It's amazing how often violence at picket lines was (and is) set off by goons hired by the company rather than by the striking workers, especially back in Henry Ford's day. The Matewan Massacre was so noteworthy because it WAS the rare occasion where the workers killed the goons instead of the other way round. Libhater should read up on the several violent incidents connected to Henry Ford's labor relations, all brought on by company goons and/or police.
     
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    I don't know who called Detroit the "Paris of the West", because it has never had that reputation.

    There are a lot of beautiful mansions in the area........in Grosse Pointe and Bloomfield Hills.

    Detroit is a living monument to a city whose major industry ran to the suburbs almost immediately.

    Drive up Jefferson Ave, and you don't even need to see the sign to know you've crossed the City line.

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    You're probably giving them money too! They've got junkets and bizjets to pay for!
     
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    You've got a lot of nerve lecturing anyone about being ignorant of history, after posting a screed like that.

    Henry Ford saw labor unions as Communist because he was a bigot who hated Jews and foreigners.

    He was far from a benevolent employer.

    The five dollar day was instituted because he had a 400% turnover rate in his mills, and since he wasn't interested in improving working conditions, he decided to improve the payroll.

    Twenty years later, after never having raised those wages, he began cutting them.

    I suppose you never heard of Ford's Sociology Department or of Harry Bennett, either.

    Get a clue, and learn some history......... You won't find it on a right wing blog.

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    This was almost universally true in the history of the labor movement. Even more so, the press to management's side, as media than, as now, is the mouthpiece for the business and poltical establishment.
     
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    One of the reasons for Henry Ford's success as an entrepreneur and businessman alike was because he was vigilant of those Communists and foreigners (i.e.--jews) who brought their anti American unions to America. In other words...to be unionized is to be collectivized/communized. So if it took a bigot to be successful for the fortunes of a once proud and prominent city like Detroit--then so be it. Now tell us how the unions have made Detroit or America that much stronger in the long run. Would you be comparing the success of Henry Ford with that of Jimmy Hoffa, for example?
     
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    Detroit went liberal in 1961. Jerome cavanaugh. Big liberal. Passed the dream socialist platform, followed only be similarly liberal democrat mayors. He was the beginning of the end for Detroit.
     
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    The unions should go home and stop blocking the factory if they don't want to work for the agreed price. Hostage takers of a business shoul be met with violence. The pinkertons are heroes not villains in my book. Unions are horrible people using violence and their political power to steal from people.
     
  18. TomFitz

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    Guys like Jimmy Hoffa made it possible for the men who drove his trucks and built Ford's cars to be able to afford to buy one.

    As to this:

    Pure nativist bigotry!

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    Detriot's fate was sealed as far back as the 1920's.

    The pattern of non investment by local industry was well established at that point.
     
  19. TomFitz

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    So, you're telling us that these people

    Cityscape by Jacob Riis, 1890.jpg

    Stole from these people:

    robber barons.jpeg

    We get it!

    Thanks for sharing your vision for the future of the middle class with us!
     
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    Yes,

    I have never understood why so many people keep falling for the idea that if you just keep giving the rich everything they want, that somehow it's going to trickle down to you.

    In the years since Arthur Laffer became Ronald Reagan's economic guru, "trickle down" economics has been a dismal failure, as middle class earnings, wealth, assets and security have declined sharply, as the share that has gone ot the top one percent has skyrocketed.

    Examples abound and are easy to find.

    One might ascribe this to technological change.

    But since this pattern is unique to the United States, it obviously isn't.

    But the suckers still fall for it. The rich man pays the Fox man to tell the average man to fear the poor man (it's better if the poor man is a different color or nationality).

    And lots of average men fall for it every time.
     
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    It's hard to dispute any of that... But it won't go on forever. We haven't finished fleecing the upper middle class just yet. Once we have stripped the wealth from Baby Boomer 401Ks and IRAs then you will REALLY begin to see the slide, to a second class nation, and who will care?
     
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    The Matewan Massacre - the rare occasion when the union people slaughtered the company goons - was a coal mine strike in the Appalachians and virtually all the strikers were locals. It was more an example of what happens when you try to treat Scots-Irish Hillbillies the same sh -tty way you treat immigrant workers. Why do you think they felt the need to unionize - because of all the immigrants and jews in their community, Libhater?
     
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    You are right and this is what will raise Detroit back to greatness.
    We need to tax the upper and middle class that's left in Detroit.
    Raise all welfare programs.
    Tax the companies that are still left to a higher level on profit.
    Also tax the companies left on their properties at a higher level.
    Increase pay and benefits to all city employees.
    Increase all social programs.
    Increase city fuel taxes to pay for intercity construction.
    Just for starters.
    The progressive leadership and economics will bring this city back in just a matter of months.
     
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    What gives libs the right to take from the rich just because they are poor?
     

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