scott e.'s thread on Obama's Birth Certificate

rahlwong ?? can I confide in you ? I think that since it's taken so long for this type of thing (I think a harbinger) to catch fire (so to speak), that there will very likely be more events like this. I know that's not what you want to hear, but it doesn't look as if this is going away anytime soon.

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogsp ot.com/2013/08/video-americans-protest-obama-fraud.html

[video=youtube;by1Vp27QL6A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by1Vp27QL6A[/video]


i'm a birther... I've never lost a court case....

could Obama pass a security background check ? I know you are an expert in that too...

 

do you even have a republican party in queensland ??

good guesses all... it begins with an eye ...

 

it went away years ago scott. but thanks for reminding everyone just how much it sucks to be a birther

 

Not if you keep calling me "rahlwong."

No.

 

Speaking of ODS.....

 

You know he just lives hoping you will respond to his posts. Its like some boy crush.

 

This dipcrap has actually convinced himself that I'm from Australia. I guess he was tired about being wrong just about his President. LOL.

 

thanks just the same frankie...

i'll try to pick up the pieces and move on.... I can see now that rahl is the brains in your outfit. nice try though.

besides the rahl of rahlwong has already answered for you guys... you're just too late. so back on ignore.

 

brilliant mate, one of your best so far....

 

You see when people bother to show how Scott is completely wrong about everything or even just call him an idiot, it means they are afraid and he's winning. And when everyone ignores Scott that means they are afraid and he is winning. And all the time his President is sleeping in the state bedrooms with his wife in the white house.

 

you used to ignore me... those were good times...

 

And Scott now officially goes back to talking only to himself.

Ignore.

 

rats... just when things were getting so interesting.... :

wait... which one were you again ?? whomever (objective case)...... you'll be back.

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what's next now that fragile Frankie has to hold his breath for awhile ?? should I say... who's next.

 

Don't worry Scott, someone will always be around down here to point out your stupidity

 

well rahlwong, you realise it will be twice as hard without rahlwong to help you... right ??

so what do you think about the new Xerox theory ??

is somebody from your team working on finding out for sure if that's the copier they had in the office that day ?. i'd say this tightens up the mystery. should be a contract with a copier fix it company, laying around somewhere.... right? 'spose that's public information ? are those records... wait for it... sealed??

i'm not saying if the theory is good or bad though, we just haven't heard yet.

 

I just lifted this from the internet site Obama conspiracy theory ("doc" kevin davidson)'s site. he is one of the leading voices in the obot world. pro Obama people interested in defending further scrutiny, flock to gather at this site.

here's what one poster wrote:


Colin Foote August 19, 2013 at 4:01 am (Quote) #

I am one of those people inclined to never engage the nonsense of a unaccountable blog with comment because it is beneath the dignity of intellectual discourse to do so. But, in this one, rare case, after reading your post I was prompted to respond when confronted with the blatant failure on your part to acknowledge some important “therefores”.

In your lazy explanation of Reggie Love’s account of Obama’s birth certificate (and your misquote of the interview between Love and the interviewer), and subsequently, the .pdf image of an alleged official vital record, you guess, (in promotion of a conspiracy between Obama, his lawyers and the state of Hawaii, I might add) that several individuals convened into a “chain of custody” schema designed to preemptively address, which did not exist at that time, that Obama’s birth certificate might be called a forgery someday. Your delusions, while simultaneously presenting arguments against conspiracy theories which do not favor Obama, promote equally stupid conspiracies conjured to make excuses in favor of Obama. You can see that your theory looks somewhat paranoid, right?

Here’s just one example. While you choose to swallow whole everything you have been told about the birth certificate by Obama and those who adore him, you make an astonishing leap into the following conjecture:

For the sake of argument, let us agree that Obama, himself, did, in fact, provide a self-written request to the HDOH for an official copy of his original birth certificate, (a document which, despite birth to parents who resided in Hawaii in 1965, looks nothing like mine). And, as a result of that request, let’s agree that someone working for the HDOH perused through the archives, located Obama’s document bound within a book of thousands of other birth certificates, took that entire book to a copier, (the left margin of the image implies this is what was done to produce Obama’s doc), then placed it upon a carefully spliced piece of safety paper cut precisely to fit the page and reveal the left binding through a ‘window’ cut in the safety paper, but obscure the state seal, secretary of state signature and natal statistics at the bottom, even while integrating flawlessly and seamlessly with the hatch pattern of the body of the image along the top, right and bottom.

Then, they took two paper copies and stamped them with Alvin’s grammatically obscure, smiley face signature stamp in the bottom margin, placed the copies in an envelope(s) we should have confidence was sealed and handed off to someone claiming to be acting on behalf of Obama. (or did the HDOH turn the copies into .pdf images at the vital statistics office?) Your “chain of custody” conspiracy theory gets complicated at this point.

Here’s where your “chain of custody” conspiracy begins to fall apart. When the reps returned with alleged certified copies of Obama’s original birth certificate, did they give them to someone other than Obama? Who else must we now infer was a part of your “chain of custody” conspiracy theory? Certainly, you don’t believe Obama received them himself and posted them to WH.gov, right? Chain of custody is important to know in this case, right? Or, did the lawyers produce the .pdf images themselves, then post one of them to the WH.gov site? Who did they hand them off to? What was the name of the person who took those copies and turned them into a .pdf image? Who then posted the .pdf image? Chain of custody, right?

You give reasonable account up until the plane lands in Washington D.C. some time after April 25, but then, you just become a bungling idiot lacking the capability to go to the next logical level of inquisition. You appear afraid to ask the hard questions about Obama’s birth certificate image. All of which you claim to be feasible is derived from what you have been told happened by Obama and his horde of degenerate media dregs. Decent, reasonable people of faith know this.

You never provide credible evidence or attachment to any explanatory merit about how, or who, a .pdf image of an alleged official vital record found its way onto a government controlled, tax funded media source as the sole piece of information about the identity of the individual claiming to be president. You tote the chain of custody conspiracy as long as that chain of custody supports your narrow motives, but when hard truths become inconvenient and psychologically painful, you abandon it.

Who all was involved in the chain of custody and what did they do with this document image leading up to its presentation to the American people? Simple question to ask.

Not once have you ever been able to reconcile this void of truth with fact, or theory, in the reasonable mind.

Given your indentured reputation as a refuter of conspiracies against Obama, you look more and more like a conspiracist FOR Obama than ever. Perhaps the truth will someday render hypocrites of us all, but until that day of judgment comes, the least you could do is give the appearance that you are not one already.

If you are not a bald face liar, you are, quite simply, the most willingly ignorant tool for flourishing deception I have ever come upon on the internet. Truly pathetic.


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this is elegantly written, and puts to words extremely well, the sentiment of many of we the birthers. I don't know this guy (girl ?), and certainly could not call this person a birther.

but one thing I have noticed is the quality and increased frequency of new posters everywhere across the web. they are beginning to take a closer look at this ongoing situation. these are sagacious newcomers to the Obama provenance arena. every day more new people arrive on the scene, the obots can't stop it, and it scares the hell out of them.

what makes this interesting to me, falls squarely into the pattern of behavior around the events of the bizarre releasing of the second (long form) birth certificate, including the most recent affirmation by body guy reggie love (is that name right out of central casting or what?), that the certificate was indeed lost, but was now found. (this actually ties together with Obama's own autobiography written by bill ayers, where he kept the original cert in a book obama carried around, which may be where love got the notion). ayers, incidentally and coincidentally, is a self proclaimed domestic terrorist, and master forger. the ayers residence (bernardine dorhn), as you will recall, is where the obamas launched their political career in Chicago.

the antibirthers, though they will never admit to being organized, work as an internet "flock of hawks" responding to any doubts, ordinary people may have about the Obama's. now... if they were the other team (our team) they would scream "why can't we question authority !". that is one element that has always seemed odd to me, that they would abandon that basic philosophical political tenet. they have become the very thing they have railed against.

the obots goal is not to facilitate the events and provenance surrounding this epic controversial caper. though it has taken a long time for information to come out, the obots defend, while at the same time pretend, there is no controversy. there has never been a controversy, or even a question, about the former senator's past. we all know better by now.

I predict this poster will be banned very quickly, because he (like me) has gone straight into the hornet's nest, without intrepid concern.

watch the obots, how they operate, to me they have always been in the center ring of this Obama fiasco, I truly believe they will, albeit inadvertently, help lead us to the truth. they have certainly been instrumental in keeping this story alive, so more average folks can get involved, learn the story, and help America solve this seemingly endless smelly political affair.

the antibirthers say now since Obama has been elected twice "what difference does it make, at this point !?". to which I say, I think that phrase has already been trademarked/earmarked for the Hillary Clinton/Debbie Wasserman run, as their 2016 campaign slogan.

what is pathetic mostly about doc's site, is that they portend interest in objective opinion, but their real operation is to chew up seemingly nice people who don't fall in line with the party. all you have to do is read the comments, to see them belittling then chasing people away, after using them as a subliminal punching bag. pathetic indeed, is what they have become.

 

Lol birthers.

Thanks for the daily reminder of why it sucks to be one

 

obots are simple....

give me liberty, or give me birth... the Chicago way.

 

No, Ted Cruz ‘birthers’ are not the same as Obama birthers


By Aaron Blake, Published: August 19 at 2:09 pmE-mail the writer

President Obama’s birth certificate, which was released in 2011.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Monday released his birth certificate, seeking to put to rest questions about whether the Canadian-born senator is qualified to run for president in 2016.

Immediately, parallels were drawn to President Obama’s 2011 release of his own birth certificate, which also was meant to end lingering questions about his eligibility to be president.

And for the few in the birther community, they see hypocrisy. Why are the media not denouncing those who question Cruz’s eligibility in the same way they have denounced the so-called “birthers” who continue to question Obama’s?

The reason? Because about the only thing these two situations have in common is that they involve a birth certificate and a presidential candidate


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-birthers-are-not-the-same-as-obama-birthers/


sometimes I wonder, if one side or another is using this similar circumstance to bolster their case. indeed this is a reminder that there are two issues here. the constitutional eligibility, which to date has not been addressed by our supreme court, nor has natural born been defined. there is simply no precedent, nor is it settled law.

the other issue is the one that compels me. has this administration, in any way, shape or form, used the power of any office, to hide, misdirect or cloud anything that could render themselves ineligible or corrupt. this would include any threats or intimidation intended to coerce or persuade anyone not to bring information of said topic forward. this is also why there is no hurry.

there are still new theories coming out, even recently, from both sides. that's what makes this still very controversial, and causes it to gain momentum even now six or so years into the future. it has been over two years since the long form was released.

and I think I can answer that last question: it's that the antibirthers and Obama flocksters don't want anyone to talk about anything about birth certificates or eligibility at all. they certainly do not want to entertain the possibility that their elected government may be corrupt again.

 

also: (my twenty minutes ran out)

this new Xerox theory is a sham... the fact that, like the long form, it took years to surface. that in itself is suspicious and gets a big fat red flag.

think about this: even if just one person was threatened by their government, or one newscaster was directed not to discuss this taboo subject, that alone would suggest a conspiracy. if there is other coordination, including in/from Hawaii, the truth will eventually surface.

we have to ask why people should even talk about it. there just aren't that many subjects that are like that.

one thing is clear, ridiculing or bullying some one in the public discussion forums, such as right here, simply doesn't work.

those internet warriors have failed. there will always be a group of people that will become more defiant when challenged, , not less, as they have always hoped for.

people like me, simply won't/can't be bullied or ridiculed or mislabeled as a racist, with any substantive affectation. it not possible here, or anywhere else.

that this subject is still coming up at all, anywhere is telling, perhaps a harbinger for us all. grassroots and townhalls are the centerpiece of out democratic republic. nobody owns the rights of everyone. the founding fathers and mothers made sure of it at the very first townhalls, way back when.

the case for Obama's provenance is weak, the birther case is still partially unknown. there is no time limit on justice, or ethical behavior.

 

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/08/ask-birther-ted-cruz/68531/

this is an interesting article. there seems to be a gentle rise in the birther population. I thought it was possible that the repubs are getting a little more tactical in their play for the white house. using the ted cruz eligibility question as a stepping stone to Obama's provenance and constitutional eligibility, is a bit chicagoish or obamaish, or even somewhat childish. but when did American politics ever rise above any of that ? how about "infantile and futile... ?

and more to the point, how long can a country resist facing a constitutional issue. the field is extremely divided. wikepedia says that the supreme court has never defined "natural born" because they haven't. here is a reminder video of the judge Thomas quip/quote.

[video=youtube;O7qEH-tKoXA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7qEH-tKoXA[/video]

now that the issue involves clearly both sides of the aisle, i'm guessing the supremes will hear a related case sometime before the election of 2016.

there is no precedent for this. the obots will cite wong kim ark, but he wasn't running for president. same goes for other landmark decisions.

also: [video=youtube;KUqpoYdUgkM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUqpoYdUgkM[/video]

the only thing I would add is that if the republican party chooses a black or hispanic or any race other than white candidate, and I hope they do; and if the candidate is qualified, which I hope they are all equally vetted; then if there is one peep from one person complaining about one thing about that candidate: that will immediately prove that the entire democrat/liberal population are racists/hypocrites. cause that's the way they tried to paint us. turnabout is fair play. I guess we've been avoiding that too. obviously it's a silly notion to generalize and entire party, but that's what they have made this, and it's all right here in the thread archives. there are even comments of mine somewhere here, where I warn the opposition, someday there will be an ethnic republican president, and it will be great for the country, and bad for the obots. remember the way the media and the crats skewerd one of my favorite people/candidates mr. herman cain. I didn't hear much outcry of racism from either side... so we still have some work to do, but things will get better.

when it comes to liberal democrats/semicrats, you can cut the hypocrisy with a knife. their double standard on racism will be shown/transparent, once and for all.

 

Lol birthers

 

rahl, you are awesome and brilliant.... wow you shocked me... never saw that coming... lol birthers...

i'm rendered speechless... lol birthers... damn clever this time amigo. what will you say next ?

wer'e all hanging on every post from now on.

wow, you are gifted indeed. thank god you're on our side...

but you and uranis, eppy and the professor and even the doctor... shouldn't waste your grave talents here... there's a big world out there that needs fixing....

 

lol birthers is all you warrant.

 

thank you and, bless you rahl, for that generosity.