Really, what kind of people vote for democrats?

The powers are so deeply entrenched in the current system, that fully removing them is not possible any longer. When do regular citizens get their bailouts, golden parachutes for getting fired, and on and on? We broke free from Britain for the same thing that's happening right here today. A coup? No, that wouldn't be good, but neither is our current economic state of the rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer, and the middle class completely disappearing. The whole thing is crazy and it need to come to a screeching halt ASAP. Corporations have become Britain.

 

What kind of people vote Democratic?

Suckers.
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Where are the Democrats from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party ?
There are too many super wealthy Democrats whose Liberal causes for the poor are paid for out of the pockets of the working poor. That is how they destroyed the Middle Middle. Rich Democrats would never, ever want to be traitors to their class as FDR.

Obama and both Clintons are Republicans wearing Democratic Party labels.

If you want a real Democrat. Look at Jerry Brown and California's budget surplus via tax the rich referendum.
Too bad he could never take a run at the Presidency because the primaries are all back east first.
A westerner has a harder time.


Moi
Recovering Sucker
I voted for Obama in '08

 

Sonny, you need to go to school and take a few history lessons.

If you knew anything about Rand you would know that she said that anyone who collected money from the government, including social security, was a "leech". Her words, not mine.

Her sexual deviation is what drove her husband to drinking. This has been well established. Had this been a liberal you far right delusionals would have had a field day saying that her misconduct was the result of "liberal values". But when this is turned around and shoved in their narrow minded faces and twisted minds you can't take it.

As everybody knows Rand called Jesus a fake and said that the only good thing about Christmas is its commercialization. You have to be totally stupid to defend her blasphemy and moronic conduct.

 

"...what kind of people vote for democrats?"

Taxcutter says:
Mostly recipients of free stuff. Taxpayers? Not so much.

 

I disagree with Ms. Rand on this issue. For those of us who've worked our entire lives, the US Government gave us no choice about paying Social-Security and Medicare taxes. Had we been allowed to invest our money as we saw fit, we'd be far better off. As things stand, the government takes our money and then demands our gratitude when they allow us to have some of it back. Taking a portion of what was ours in the first place is NOT being a leech. Taking money that you never paid in the first place IS being a leech.

 

This thread is not about the ideologues who will vote with their dying breath for one political party or another.

This is about the majority of people who vote their interests. The rich have not interest in foods stamps, or subsidized housing. The rich have no interest in anything the Democrats have to offer.

Like the OP put it. If you have a ton of money in your wallet and you don't give a damn about ideology or non pocket book issues. Which frankly is most people, you will not vote Democrat.

 

Ok old man I'll bite. Educate me.

Show me links proving all your assertions.
Don't bother with left wing or religious zealot blogs and opinions. Show me the real stuff.

 

What kind of people vote Republican? Brainless idiots who will happily vote against their own self interest in order to make sure the top 1% pockets keep getting fatter.

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^ I don't actually believe this is true. But it's just about as factually accurate as the original post. But apparently this forum is dominated by the "everything bad is exclusively the fault of Democrats" crowd. I don't have a whole lot of use for the Dems, but this characterization of Democratic voters is painfully ignorant and woefully misinformed. Grow up.

 

This is not a grade school where people need to be pampered. But I'll give you one and you can research the rest if you like:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-sapp/ayn-rand-democrats_b_855797.html


quote:


"Ayn Rand: "I am the creator of a new code of morality... a morality not based on faith."

Uh oh.

Rand: "It must be either reason or faith... I am against God."

 

Absolutely nothing new here. She did not say SS was welfare as you quoted. She did not say Jesus was fake as you quoted and you used a left wing rag.

Three strikes your out.

 

Why do you blame businessmen? What they're doing by lobbying Government is not illegal, but what Government does is clearly wrong and - more importantly - unConstitutional.

Even if forces in Government have worked for a very long time to blur the unConstitutionality of growing Government to the size necessary to influence our economy illicitly through any means necessary.

I have a problem with the last sentence. I blame business when they engage in ILLEGAL behaviour. I blame Government when I see them engaging in ILLEGAL OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL behaviour.

That makes Government far more culpable. Business is just looking for a competitive advantage any way it can, and really cannot be blamed nearly as much.

Greed is a human trait. The Constitution was supposed to limit those in power greedily seeking more power, and we've allowed that to fail. Business is supposed to secure the most money for products/services, and what is supposed to limit excessive gains is both our laws, and the intelligence of its clients.

You will not eliminate greed. All you can do is wisely understand that the Constitution is supposed to limit its damaging manifestations in Government, and our laws and a savvy buying public are supposed to limit its deleterious manifestations in the market.

Get money out of Government. That means stop supporting higher taxes on "the rich" (or anyone else) merely because you think they're to blame and 'can afford it'. All you're doing is propagating the continuation of the cycle.

How does supporting higher taxes gain that end?

You would consider me wealthy, and I AGREE. Most of my friends are wealthy, and THEY agree.

You are worried about an extremely small percentage of voters, and voters is where this changes. You have to oppose actions by politicians which promise benefits to groups of people in return for votes.

Most Government programs are such vehicles.

You have the correct goals but the exact wrong plan of implementation.

 

What kind of people vote democrat? Lazy drones that wont work and people with a low IQ!!!!!

 

Actually it isn't that simple. I believe in Conservatism philosophy when Me and my family have decent jobs. But right now we don't so it's easy to be more liberal when it's the survival of your own family at stake. Letting the weak die is a great philosophy for making the strong stronger, unless your one of the weak.

 

The problem is leftism makes people weak and dependent that are otherwise strong when the economy isn't being gobbled up at more then 40% by the government. 40% is just current direct tax and spending total government, the regulatory and compliance costs probably get it up to 50% of the economy. Like running a race with one leg, a lot of people will fall down that wouldnt have without the handicap. This is not even counting the industry they have burdened out of existence, the total government burden is easily over 50% now that I think about it.

 

lets take the extreme negatives of the republicans, big business gets massive tax breaks, ultra militant right wing conservatism, aloofness, control, and of course propiganda...do you know why libertarian can't work politically?

 

This should be good. OK, let's. Astound me with your acumen.

You mean the ones who supported Obama? Like Nike, Microsoft, Apple, Citigroup, J.P. Morgan, etc.? You are correct. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/03/apple-tax-havens_n_3378935.html

Except we were talking about Republicans. OK, take your mulligan. Try again.

Ultra-militant? Did a GOP tank park on top of your hybrid or something?

Hollywood should get on the GOP's case about how aloof they are. Right, Oprah?
You're hilarious. Do go on.

Of what? The IRS? The DOJ? The AFL-CIO? WTF. They're all in Obama's pocket. This is getting tiresome. Wrap it up.

It's "propaganda". You know, that Marxist (N.B. leftist) confection of of lies that the useful idiots of Occupy and MSNBC like to promulgate like Sandra Fluke's promiscuity. http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/eam/other/spla/spla.html

Read up on it. And finally, this nugget:

He speaks, yet says nothing. If I were a bartender, I'd shut you off after that one, even if you were drinking soda.

You're the best advertisement for GOP so far. Keep up the good work, soldier.

 

Well,I know you have some political savvy(as You have been on the forum for many years now & we have argued this point before)so my question then becomes; Why are you acting so "uneducated",but that being said;you want specifics "again",ok,my pleasure,as I don't mind repeating it. Let's start with Phil Gramm (R) 2000 Commodities Futures Act(abbreviated)
The repeal of Glass/ Stegall-The Gramm/Leach/Bliley Acts of 2000 & 2005 (R)(R) & (R) So,after you go back & refresh your memory,you won't need any more specifics.

 

Who signed Graham Billey? How exactly would Glass Stegall prevented this? WOuldnt it be easier to say that if the government didnt meddle int he market this way there would be no issue?