Can being molested as a child make you gay?

The posters denying the link between childhood sex abuse and adult gay/lesbian behaviors including here are usually gay, lesbian or a sympathizer. But honestly again, it's my view that you're denying what you know is true because any behavior including sexual behavior can be learned by what 1 sees in youth. Sex abuse in youth can cause people to behave in ways they wouldn't have. It's not controversial to talk of nightmares, suicides, bedwetting often a result of sex abuse in youth esp. sex abuse where gays homolest young boys. Yet when 1 talks of a person doing gay/lesbian behaviors in adulthood because this is sexual behavior they learned by being repeatedly homolested when they were boys, then the gays with politically safe psychologists complain about how their's no link, that it's correlation not causation but this is rubbish. The politically correct psychologists who deny this know it's possible for a boy to turn out gay as a result of childhood sex abuse, yet they still deny what they know is true. The G.A.G.A. gays and lesbians who was copied and pasted are honest when they talk of how childhood sex abuse messed up their minds and their belief that they do gay/lesbian behaviors because of childhood sex abuse. Most transexuals were sexually abused in childhood which messed up their minds. Abolish sex change maimings. Childhood sex abuse does cause adult gay/lesbian behaviors for some and it's undebatable truth.

While what you ask's off topic, will answer-if you want to comment on this again, then please do it where I created on this in another place and not here, but this will be the last time you'll get my answer here in this place. Hysterectomy is excluded because if a woman has a disease which requires this to survive, that's 1 thing, as synonym's amputating a diseased limb of a diabetic or cancer victim. But believe in abolishing amputating healthy limbs of people such as those who think they have 1 arm instead of 2. Yes, I believe in abolishing vasectomies and tubals as that's maiming healthy body parts & both are linked to cancer. I support birth control such as pills, condoms and Rhythm. With abortion to repeat, if you're pro-choice on abortion then don't complain about my pro-abortion view aborting unborn gays, lesbians and transexuals. You have no right to complain.

 

I'm not complaining, you just don't strike me as someone who would be pro-choice in any way shape or form, especially considering we have no way to determine what future sexual orientation a fetus will have.

Do you believe that only homosexuals and trans people should be aborted though? Or are abortions on healthy heterosexual fetuses acceptable in your view too? Sorry, I know it's off topic but I am extremely intrigued by this.

 

If they could avoid aborting healthy unborn straight babies & if they passed a law against this, then that's fine with me. But as I'm pro-abortion if it's predicted an unborn baby is gay, transexuals or handicapped (most Down Syndrome babies are aborted anyhow as they have science to do this), I would oppose a law forbidding these abortions because these abortions are a blessing. With abortion laws worldwide, there are nations which forbid abortions unless it can be predicted an unborn baby will have a handicap or deformity. You've heard of people including former President George Herbert Walker Bush Sr. say that he is against abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save a woman's life. Abortion to save a woman's life is OK from a pro-life view, but abortion in cases of rape or incest would be killing a baby for father's crime, so if President George H.W. Bush meant what he said in 1988 Presidential campaign debate, then he is not 100% pro-life.

I guess my best answer to you is no, I'm not pro-choice on abortion. No, they don't have science now to predict if an unborn baby will be gay, lesbian or transexual, but if in future this can be predicted, then yes, I'm pro-abortion and again, I'm also pro-abortion if it can be predicted an unborn baby will be handicapped which they can do now and most are aborted. If in future they could predict an unborn baby would be a mass murderer, then I'm pro-abortion but and know it's contradictory, I'd have a problem executing a 5 year old kid who is predicted to be a future mass muderer or serial killer because 1 should be punished for what they do and what they'll become in the future. We must help the 5 year old kid to make sure he doesn't become a mass murderer or serial killer.

I do know pro-lifers view that abortion is murdering an unborn baby and if they wanted to make abortion criminal in most cases except to save a woman's life, while I'll differ with a pro-lifer, I'll understand their view and accept the law. I don't in most cases believe in the death penalty such as with my posts on Jodi Ann Arias, I believe she should get life in prison w/o parole, but if she gets the death penalty (if the prosecution does seek this), then understand the law as she was convicted of Murder 1 with aggravating circumstances which call for death penalty.

I know my view is inconsistent. If you had asked me about abortion in 2002, then I'd say I'm pro-choice but since 2005, I guess I've become inconsistent. We do need population and without births, the population goes extinct as nations such as Japan, some European nations are running below replacement Population Value. I often listen to Mission America's Linda P. Harvey and often read Catholic columnist Patrick J. Buchanan and understand their pro-life views.

I respect views of both Patrick J. Buchanan and Linda P. Harvey as both are consistent. My post is to people who say they're pro-choice on abortion but then complain about my pro-abortion view supporting aborting unborn gays, lesbians and transexuals especially gays and transexuals if in future this can be predicted. As child molestation is often a cause of gayism, lesbianism and transexulity, preventing homolestation such as that of homosexual Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky would bring down the rates of gayism and transexuality. If it's true that there's a gay gene, then if in future they can predict this, then to repeat I'm pro-abortion. I know again my answer is inconsistent but it's the best 1 I can give and hope it answers you.

 

Well thank you for taking the time to answer my question so in depth. You do have some extremely strange world views to say the least though.

 

That's fine,but my guess is that it doesn't surprise you that many to most women abort unborn babies who are predicted to have deformities such as Down Syndrome-some of the women who do these abortions call themselves pro-life until it's predicted a handicap will happen. Must credit former Alaska Governess Sarah Louise Palin for being consistent to her pro-life view after she learned her son would have Down Syndrome. The Catholic Church believes in abolishing vasectomies and tubals & you know I agree with the Cathoic Church on this. Don't know your faith but there are millions of Catholics who'd agree with me on this though many possibly most Catholics are not consistent followers of their faith. I do to repeat support birth control such as pill, condoms and Rhythm-Catholic Church only supports Rhythm.

Abolishing sex change maimings does make world a better place. They must be trying to cure or @least better treat Gender Dysphoria, not mutilating men and women to make them fake opposite sex members as those are abominations.

Michael E. Glatze to repeat has said that childhood sex abuse is major cause of homosexuality, along with other bad things and he used to be editor of Young Gay America before converting to Christianity & realizing his earlier views were wrong. See here http://www.wnd.com/2007/07/42385/
With gayism/lesbianism, if 2 knowing and willful adults want to do this, then yes, law allows them to. But it must be understood that gay/lesbian behaviors are result of bad things in life, whether it's childhood sex abuse or if it's proven to be biological then bad biology such as gene defect if that's proven. It's useless to normalize gay/lesbian behaviors just as it's useless to normalize drug junkyism-drugs are gay. If a cure for gayism/lesbianism's found, there will be many gays/lesbians taking the cure. It would be interesting to know how many gays/lesbians including gay rights activists would rather be straight and reflect what those of G.A.G.A. said in the link.

 

why is it that supposedly straight men are so consumed with the "evilness" of homosexuality?

What business is it of theirs what the sexual orientation of another individual is?

Why should they be concerned with a "cure" to something they apparently don't have?

Why do they theoretically support the concept of abortion of gay fetuses (assuming finding a gay enzyme or infection or something like that) but are adament that all other types of abortion is tantamount to murder?

And why is it that these straight people spend so much time speculating as to the cause of homosexuality, when they are simply not qualified to assess such things? Wouldn't their time be better spent speculating as to the cause of piety?

In my experience, I have found homophobes to possess a near total lack of understanding of the more sophisticated aspects of human sexuality. (Kinky to many is doggy style).

why can't these bigots simply live and let live? I have not heard of gay people running around raping straight people, but I have heard of straight people running around raping gays, as many a good prison flick will attest. What up with that?

Dost they protest too much?

 

Yes, for 'whatever' individual or corporate reasons... they surely DO protest too much. (Homophobia, perhaps? Self-hating, borderline homosexuals? It's hard to tell.)

As a gay man, being aware of the problems and conflicts about this since I was a young teen... I admit I'm tired of the topic. But even a man weary and wounded multiple times from battles has the will to live. And that is why I continue. And the older I get, the less patient I am at times; tolerating the visceral foolishness of many who seek to dehumanize homosexuals (or anyone different than themselves) is something I often tend to handle with a heart hardened in the 'battles' mentioned above.

Still, it is never my intent to dehumanize my opposition; I don't like hurting people, but I DO want them to 'feel' some of the "hurt" they impose upon others willfully. Since I cannot necessarily force them to understand what it is to endure being 'gay'... I have at least learned to reflect the HUMAN effect they have upon others, right back into their direction. I try to express a form of 'empathy' (almost weaponized) which allows the offender to feel at least 'some' of the pain they cause in others. It's kind of "The Golden Rule" administered 'sideways':

Communicate with and instruct those who offend you, that they might treat others more humanely. Sometimes, carrying this out, is as simple as letting people know that you DON'T fear or hate homosexual people. If they respect or love you, that WILL have an effect. No guarantee of repentance or conversion... but it is something that they will likely not blow-off completely. I've loved many people who some aversion to homosexuality or homosexual people (homophobes, for whatever reasons); but that is a part of our society. Not that I accept that and do nothing about it, but realizing the problem is greater than the one person or myself; keeping sanity and realism out front.

After many years of simply not being TOUGH enough on others (trying to be nice), the above is the balance I've found to be most effective and affective overall.

 

I hate to sound like the cliche, but I actually do have a couple of homosexual friends (both sexes).

I can't imagine what you have had to go thru, but admire the fact you have not become aggressively bitter at the wall of ignorant hatred that you must run into on a constant basis.

For whatever reason, I find myself intolerant of ignorant intolerance and at times can be extremely aggressive in articulating my thoughts on bigotry and stupidity.

Now I dearly love my G&L friends and am offended on their behalf when religious nutbars espouse the notion that homosexuality is a "lifestyle choice" and/or can be "cured". But I am told that I am easily offended by ignorance and religious idiocy.

REgardless

Illegitimi non carborundum.

 

Thanks for the feedback.

I understand what you mean and you are surely on the right track!! There is less and less tolerance for those who want to be hurtful and ignorant toward homosexuals... that is becoming the norm.

Even so, I do see value in touching people's HEARTS as well as their minds. Some people are literally programmed to be screwed-up where it concerns dealing with homosexuals; and often I've found that they are simply NUMB to the pain they cause others. All I'm encouraging people to do, is to not ignore the homophobia and/or bigotry when they see it. That will make a great difference in this society (and ultimately the world).

 

Though Jonsa likely knows answers here it goes. 1st Jonsa, there's no such thing as being straight and knowingly and voluntarily doing gay/lesbian behaviors because that's like saying 1 is a vegetarian who eats chicken. Gay/lesbian is knowingly and willingly doing same sex behaviors, regardless of what orientation is because Jonsa, it's about ending gay/lesbian behaviors even if orientation doesnt' change. & in prison, most people (men and women) if anything lose libido but it's more interesting to write of gayism, lesbianism. & Jonsa, most gay bashings are men & teen boys reacting to crimes the gays did such as after the gay did indecent exposure, assault & battery, etc. Gay groups are not to be trusted. There's the homosexual Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky unless of course Jonsa, you don't define some1 who has sex with young boys as a gay. There are those who call Jerry Sandusky straight because he was married, but Gerald Arthu (Jerry) Sandusky's gay because he had sex with young boys and it remains to be seen how many boys will turn ou gay or transexual because of this homolestation they suffered.

With abortion, I actually don't care about this topic that much but have said I'm pro-abortion if it can be predicted an unborn baby will be gay, lesbian or transexual and I also support aborting unborn babies who have handicaps. But it's usually people who support a woman's right to abort that complain about possibility of aborting unborn gays, lesbians and transexuals and my post's directed to them-if you're pro-choice on abortion, then don't complain.

& Jonsa, there are also straight women who are against gayism, lesbianism, etc. Mrs. Linda P. Harvey of Mission America's an eg. of a straight woman who is against gayism, lesbianism and transexuality. But to simply say it Jonsa, those of us who are bigoted against gay/lesbian behaviors are so, because we believe gay/lesbian behaviors are comparable to drug junkyism such as crack smoking. You ask how qualified are we to know gays, live and let live but gays/lesbians are also not quaified just as drug junkies are not qualified. Jonsa, we see something wrong with gay/lesbian behaviors no matter why it happened. Often times, gay/lesbian behaviors in adulthood happen because of childhood sex abuse which isn't debatable. Gay/lesbian behaviors is bad for health and comparable to people smoking drugs. Yes, this will offend gay/lesbian groups but that
is the truth. You ask why we're obsessed with it, it's because it's gay/lesbian groups who push their views on others. When gay groups push views of homosexual statutory rapist Harvey B. Milk on others in public schools, then that's wrong. I don't care if gay/lesbian groups want to have heros such as homoexual statutory rapist Harvey Bernard Milk, but when they require schools do this, then it's bad. Harvey B. Milk is a bad person.

Anyhow Jonsa to repeat, it's best for gays/lesbians to be celibate until a cure is found for gay/lesbian behaviors because gay/lesbian behaviors are bad, the result of something bad in life such as sex abuse. Yes, gay/lesbian behaviors by willing adults is legal and if 2 adults want to do this, then it's their legal right to do so. But to repeat, that doesn't change the fact that gay/lesbian behaviors=drug junkyism. I don't think Jonsa that many posters who say there's no link between childhood sex abuse and adult gay/lesbian behaviors believe their propaganda because it's truth that when a boy is homosexually raped in youth especially repeatedly such as by a gay priest or homosexual Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky, the likelihood is more that he'll be gay in adulthood vs. if he wasn't. Those who deny this are dishonest, delusional or both. You've heard this before Jonsa, but asking the same things as you did gets the same answers.

 

Though this is repeating, Jonsa, I used to be netural on gay/lesbian behaviors. If you had asked me about this in 2002 or 2003, I wouldn't have cared by saying if 2 knowing and willing adults want to do gay/lesbian behaviors that it's their business. But my view on gayism & lesbianism changed in 2004, after thinking about it. Jonsa, I've thought about this topic and truth again is that there's something wrong with gay/lesbian behaviors just as there's something wrong with drug junkyism and that we must find cure for this. If gay/lesbian behaviors are eventually cured, then I don't see why you should lose sleep or care 1 way or the other. I've even talked to individual gays who have said that if a cure for gayism, lesbianism and transexuality were found, that they would not lose sleep over it. With gayism and lesbianism, another reason I changed my first neutral view is because it's gay/lesbian groups who push their views on others including in public schools with little to no opposing views. Public schools must be neutral on political topics including homosexuality, abortion, etc. I'm pro-abortion but if I were a teacher, I wouldn't discuss my abortion views with schoolkids because school isn't the place for this. If it were raised, then there should be debate where pro-lifer students also give views w/o punishment. But with gayism, lesbianism, there have been problems of pro-gay teachers pushing their views on homosexuality on others and then suspending high school kids who tell the truth that gay/lesbian behaviors are comparable to cocaina smoking.

Michael E. Glatze to repeat has said that childhood sex abuse is major cause of homosexuality, along with other bad things and he used to be editor of Young Gay America before converting to Christianity & realizing his earlier views were wrong. See here http://www.wnd.com/2007/07/42385/
With gayism/lesbianism, if 2 knowing and willful adults want to do this, then yes, law allows them to. But it must be understood that gay/lesbian behaviors are result of bad things in life, whether it's childhood sex abuse or if it's proven to be biological then bad biology such as gene defect if that's proven. It's useless to normalize gay/lesbian behaviors just as it's useless to normalize drug junkyism-drugs are gay. If a cure for gayism/lesbianism's found, there will be many gays/lesbians taking the cure. It would be interesting to know how many gays/lesbians including gay rights activists would rather be straight and reflect what those of G.A.G.A. said in the link. My reasons for being against gay/lesbian behaviors are unrelated to a religion because I'm a nonreligoius person. I'm against gay/lesbian behaviors because I thought about this and concluded gay/lesbian behaviors are bad in and of itself, after originally being neutral on this. Transexuals are worse and abolish sex change maimings. Gay/lesbian groups are not to be trusted & not qualified to comment on gayism just as drug junkies are not qualified to comment on drug junkyism. With being 'qualified', gay/lesbian groups are biased and best not to trust gays.

 

Most ANY 'reputable' expert on human sexuality will tell you that you are WAY OFF in what you stated above. I know you're wrong. And you know what... I really don't buy your story.

Even so, we need to agree to disagree here.

 

& any expert who denies link between childhood sex abuse and possibilty of adult gay/lesbian behaviors is dishonest. There's bias on this topic and mainstream psychology has not been neutral on this for a long time. You can get experts to support a propgaganda including gay/lesbian propaganda. I have hard time believing that any psychologist who say there's no link between childhood sex abuse and adult gay/lesbian behaviors believe their propaganda because it's truth that when a boy is homosexually raped in youth especially repeatedly such as by a gay priest or homosexual Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky, the likelihood is more that he'll be gay in adulthood vs. if he wasn't. Those who deny this are dishonest, delusional or both & this includes the pro-gay psychologists.

 

And which expert has 'denied' such a "possibility".

BTW, you are surely not an expert in human sexuality; and you do promote a plethora of 'homophobic' ideas within this forum.

What's up with that?

 

The apologists for homosexuality such as the American Medical Association among others. The views of AMA and APA are jokes. Transexuals are worse than gays and they must abolish sex changes. Dr. Paul Drummond Cameron has talked about how truth that when a boy is homosexually raped in youth especially repeatedly such as by a gay priest or homosexual Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky, the likelihood is more that he'll be gay in adulthood vs. if he wasn't. Dr. Paul Drummond Cameron is right. As to my homophobic ideas, it's right to be homophobic just as it's right to have phobias of cocaine smoking. Gay/lesbian behaviors synonom to drug junkyism.

 

... are fully CREDIBLE. Unlike certain lone individuals, who put up bigoted rants, homophobic slurs and slippery-slope silliness onto some internet forum.

Paul Cameron??!! (Really.)

 

American Medical Association supported the Tuskegee Experiments on Blacks during the 1950s. American Medical Association is against compensating people who are victims of medical negligence. Yes, some changes to tort system is needed, but as the American Medical Association is an apologist for sex change maimings, their views are rubbish so they're not credible.

Dr. Paul Drummond Cameron gets condemned by gay groups and AMA because Dr. Paul Drummond Cameron tells truth that when a boy is homosexually raped in youth especially repeatedly such as by a gay priest or homosexual Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky, the likelihood is more that he'll be gay in adulthood vs. if he wasn't. Dr. Paul Drummond Cameron is right. Gay/lesbian behaviors synonom to drug junkyism. Dr. Paul Drummond Cameron has spoken in Poland and many places. American Medical Association uses politics rather than science when talking of gayism and can't be taken seriously.

 

Sorry, but your ranting is terribly anti-gay; homophobic at its core.

It is not worth regarding overall.

 

FACTS: Researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), U. S. Taxpayer funded BTW - have found that homosexual men are “at least three times more likely to report CSA (childhood sexual abuse)” than heterosexual men.
That is evidence of direct corelation of cause and effect.
Moreover, the “Archives of Sexual Behavior” – no bastion of conservatism – determined in a 2001 study that nearly half of all gay-identified men were molested by a male homosexual pedophile: “46 percent of homosexual men and 22 percent of homosexual women reported having been molested by a person of the same gender (as a child). This contrasts to only 7 percent of heterosexual men and 1 percent of heterosexual women reporting having been molested by a person of the same gender” noted the study.
That is eveidence of direct corelation of cause and effect.

Now let's consider the well-established condition of bisexuality, agreed upon by all sides of the equation -

FACT: A "married" man may also be bi-sexuality right ? In fact, many times I've read that those men (or women) are truly ONLY homosexual, they just are hiding from their "TRUE" nature.

THEREFORE: A Sandusky type choosing a boy child to exert or proactice his homosexuality and "power and control" pathology is a logical extension of his TRUE sexual identity, understandable and not much different from a "married" male (confirmed) heterosexual raping a woman (or female child) for the same perverse "power" reasons.

I agree, on the face of it, no one could argue that a married man like Sandusky is NOT straight. However, no one can argue that Sandusky and his ilk are not at least bi-sexual if not (as gays so call them) an "in the closet" homosexual. FACT: 97% of "pedophiles" groom, seduce or attack one sex only....in Sandusly's case it is males.



Case closed.

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And that is what scientists have concluded? It is likely that YOU reached that leaped-to and unsubstantiated conclusion yourself. Your conclusion is likely less-than-tenable and certainly unscientific.

Another of you arrogant conclusions. Please, stop it.

Your conclusions are specious, at best. I await ANY 'breaking' news supporting your views; to date I've heard none.

And what experts in the field agree with YOUR contrived conclusions? Considering the number of heterosexual men getting into things they should not, your logic would stigmatize all of them too.

I doubt that pedophiles are as 'understood' or 'researched' as they will be... but I'm sure that your amateurish conclusions about the same are particularly valid. No one should buy what you are putting out here.

Your conclusions lead to a brick-wall at high-speed. They're 're full of it.

No, it isn't; not at all.

 

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Propagating a bunch of phoney conclusions is surely going NOWHERE.

 

Personally, I cannot wait for more science of the mind to reveal and dispel a lot more of what people think/believe is reality on this. Even so, these people jumping to their abjectly anti-gay or homophobic conclusions generally disgust me.

 

And I can tell you it's nearly 100% rate in my family. Every boy molested is gay and nearly every girl molested is lesbian.

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You know what disgusts me? Homosexuals and their dirty, filthy perversion. It has never been, is not and will never be normal behavior and I will not be brainwashed.

 

On the contrary, being molested as a child can make you a rabid homophobe.