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My father used to be a liberal Democrat. But he was also Catholic. But he told me he got tired of telling lies.

And that was before abortion.

Nowadays, liberals who are also Catholic must choose liberalism over their Catholic faith. One cannot be both a good liberal and a good Catholic.

Sure the liberals talk a good line about compassion for the poor, and that sucks a lot of Catholics in.

But examine all that liberalism stands for and you will see it also includes the rather heartless practice of terminating the lives of unborn children.

And one cannot be compassionate for the poor and kill unborn babies at the same time.

The only conclusion one can make is that liberals are not truly compassionate toward the poor, but give them welfare handouts for entirely selfish reasons.

And any Catholic who doesn't bother to think that through, and supports liberal politicians who are pro-abortion, will have to answer to Christ on their day of judgment.

 

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I may not be religious, but your political leanings are usually seperate from your religious views. Keep them that way. If you don't want something done to you, fine, but don't force it on other people. People who are pro choice are that, pro choice. They won't tell you what to believe in, other than a women's right to choice to have an abortion.

 

I might agree with you were it not for the fact that abortion has been around for several thousand more years than liberals.

 

People were ignorant about what abortion really was.

With the wonders of modern science, and the knowledge we now have of fetal development, no one has an excuse to be ignorant about what an abortion is.

An abortion is the deliberate termination of a human life in utero.

You can't claim that a fetus is not human, since it has all the DNA of a human, and if allowed to live, will emerge from the womb as a fully developed human infant.

The only arguments for abortion are convenience, at the expense of what is right and wrong.

Similar arguments were made for slavery, and we had to have a destructive war killing 600,000 Americans to resolve the problem.

I hope we can avoid that kind of bloodshed this time around.

 

I'm against abortion but I don't think those who are for it are evil. They have a different point of view on it. While I disagree with them on the subject I don't think any less of them or insult them for it.

 

There is active evil and passive evil.

Active evil is the abortionist who kills babies, day after day, week after week, year after year, until his victims number in the tens of thousands.

Passive evil is all the people who stand about and do nothing to stop it.

Like the Germans who knew about the death camps and yet did nothing.

 

Calling people evil and insulting them won't cause them to change their mind. The best way to fight abortion is to educate people and make them aware of what's going on. No amount of legislation or name calling will change that.

 

We've been "educating" people about abortion for more than 30 years and now there's more abortion than ever.

Why should I be nice to people who kill their own babies?

I want them to feel about it, and I want them to feel bad about themselves.

Guilt is the only path to sorrow, sorrow is the only path to regret, regret is the only path to redemption, redemption is the only path to forgiveness.

I won't be "nice" to people and let them forget the horrible thing they did when they killed their baby.

That's not doing them any favors.

 

How is telling people they are not real Catholics not flamebait.

 

It depends on how much they knew when they went to the abortionist, and how much they were pressured, and how desperate they felt.

But I don't give women a pass on their bad moral choices because they are women. I think women should be held to the same standard as men, and be held accountable for what the do. I do not think they should be able to say, "but I'm just a woman" as if that's an excuse.

The natural instinct of woman is to protect her child, and even kill to protect it, for example a mother bear who will kill if her cubs are threatened.

An abortion is a violation of everything a woman is supposed to stand for, it is an offense against the laws of nature, and an offense against God.

 

But that is not what your bigoted statement in the OP was. You said being liberal and Catholic is impossible. Jesus was a liberal. He also led have supported abortion in some situations and never spoke out against the practice. There is a lot of things you can be as well as Catholic but hating Jesus isn't one of them.

 

I've got news for you, if these people are as evil as you claim then they really don't care how mean you are. You're just wasting your time and effort then.

 

Depends on the definition of human. My definition includes consciousness, as in, if you ain't conscious you ain't human. Neither the right DNA nor the 'potential' for consciousness have anything to do with being human. When consciousness (as opposed to nervous system reaction) begins seems to elude science and theology both.

 

You know there are not only two ways of thinking. There isn't just conservatism and just liberalism. Catholics believe very strongly in helping the poor and the needy and so real Catholics who practice their beliefs daily may be more likely to support liberal policies in helping the needy. But at the same time they may also reject things they absolutely disapprove of and that which goes against their religious teachings, i.e. abortion and gay marriage.

There are plenty of people who fall in the middle of the political spectrum and have wide and varying beliefs.

 

You don't have to be religious to know that abortion is morally wrong! I know some people who don't even believe in God, and yet they have pro-life beliefs. I find it very offensive and insulting whenever somebody calls pro-lifers "religious fanatics". Pro-choicers get very offended if pro-lifers call them "pro-aborts". Okay! So please don't call us insulting terms either. And it's not really accurate either. not all pro-lifers are religious.

 

So just to clarify you are an atheist pro-lifer Sam?

Also just FYI in my post that you quoted I never said anywhere that all pro-lifers = religious. In fact it was the OP who brought up religion, specifically Catholicism.

 

Liberalism doesn’t hold a monopoly on abortion. Beyond me how this has anything to do with liberalism itself.

However, what does it say about pro-life Catholics? On one hand, they disapprove of abortion yet silently condone pedophilia within the church.

 

Nope, I am not an atheist. However, one of my relatives has pro-life beliefs, and he doesn't even believe in God (he's an atheist). One of my friends (i think he's an agnostic) also is pro-life.

 

Well there you go.

Now this still doesn't change the fact that most pro-life leaders are extremely religious and their motivations are religious in nature. You can spin any position in a way to make it appealing to all demographics, that doesn't change the fact that the pro-life movement has it's roots buried in religion. But I won't bother discussing the religion aspect of it personally unless someone brings it up, like the OP did.

 

Well even though you didn't make the claim I'd just like to point out that I'm an agnostic lifer.

 

What are you saying here? That before modern technology, people didn't know they were terminating a future child when they performed abortions? What then did they think they were doing?

I think most people understand what an abortion is. In fact, if you don't know what an abortion is, you probably don't have an opinion on the subject.

Of course it's human. Human beings don't give birth to hamsters or wolverines. The fact that it's human is not being disputed.

What's convenient is how you wrap up all the individual reasons and circumstances that women choose abortion into one little condescending oh so ignorant word. Convenient is not taking the time to understand the topic so that you can remain aloof and just condemn things that you don't understand.

Abortion and slavery are entirely different issues.