What Happened to Democrats?

They elected Obama to shut down Gitmo and repeal the Patriot Act, yet he has extended and expanded the Patriot Act and has done nothing to shut down Gitmo. Furthermore He has lobbied to gain approval to use drones to kill American citizens and has expanded greatly the invasions of privacy that the Patriot Act started as exposed by Snowden.

Any outcry from Democrats? NOPE!
Hey Democrats, wonder why people say that you worship Obama like you think he is your religious leader?
Try to answer my question in the thread title and hopefully you will see.

 

I haven't met any democrats that really worship, more so it's like a sense of respect. It's very similar to how the Conservatives here "worshiped" Mittens before he lost. In the end, Obama hasn't done a lot of things that the Democrats stand for. In the end, I will tell you something that my US history teacher once told me, or something along these lines; " When they're not in power, they cry out against it.Once they're in power, they'll support it."

 

During the Bush years Democrats were my allies in fighting against government abuse. Then Obama was elected and the majority of them made it very clear that they were merely engaging in partisan politics the entire time. They obviously didn't really care about civil rights. They were nothing more than cheerleaders hiking up their skirts for their team.

Unfortunately, that is what American politics has become...a mob of grown people acting like teenie-boppers fawning over their favorite boy band. As a result, I find it very hard to have any respect for anyone who claims membership in either major party. A bunch of phonies and simpletons whose morals change with the wind.

 

There are democrats that always have been real Americans and are now. Unfortunately their party has been taken over by the radical left.

 

Okay, first, everyone knows that once you become an insider and gain knowledge about the REAL situation you must re-evaluate your stance, and rethink all of your campaign promises based on the new information. At least anyone who isn't dumb as bricks does this. We all know the real reason why a President's hair goes grey while they are in office is because of stress with dealing with the horrors we don't, and can't have knowledge about, no it isn't all about age...

Second, once we Democrats failed to get the Republicans to listen to our plea, we tried the Democrat and they ALSO didn't listen to our plea... So, at this point we're stuck.

Plus, we have seen the undeniable evidence that the Gitmo prisoners, once released, sometimes join a terrorist group to pay us back.... Even ONE terrorist from all this is too much. There really can't be any more doubt about this. We know that the remainder are either hard core terrorist material, or, actually there's another reason, those people whose home country will execute them upon their return, this is another fact of the situation.

We're in a bind, because the dumbass Congress passed legislation that the prisoners CAN'T be brought to the mainland here. We also can't find a country that will take them, so far. We know, we triggered an international incident between us and Europe trying to offload them to an island in the Caribbean because that island was still under the jurisdiction of whatever European nation (I forget at the moment) Who DIDN'T want this to happen. There is also the problem that some countries will execute these prisoners upon their return.

The Civil rights groups who want us to release the prisoners ALSO don't want us to return the prisoners to countries who will execute them. Well, it's at this point that we decided to SHUT UP because we can't think of anyway to get out of this stalemate. It's a legally grey area, one that our system of Law was never designed to handle because there WERE supposed to be safe guards in the system to prevent us from ever finding ourselves in this situation. But, here we are with no way to handle this (well not in any civilized way, but here's always the bad, old way!!!).

 

Completely off axis and out of any reality zone. By 2006 President Bush was
almost universally being questioned by his own Party for his excess' at both
spending { freely allowed pork and earmarks } and his use of intelligence or
spying.Then of course with the help of Nancy Pelosi we had the whole
" waterboarding " scandal to help pile on.
The enthuthiasm demonstrated at the summer Democratic National Convention
was pretty giddy in adoration of all things Obama.I mean,just look at those Obama
toadies like Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.She appeared so made-up with heavy makeup
it was like she was Obama's Personal whore.Which of course she was and still is.
Then watch those like former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm who acted like
a coked-up football cheerleader during her address.

 

Now we hear that Hussein Obama wants to go back into Iraq.

 

lol what rubbish. The Democratic party isn't even left of centre. People who buy into this false dichotomy are detached from reality.

 

Repubs calling out Dems and vice versus. One whore calling another a slut.

 

I can name actual members of the extreme right in Congress. Those that have hijacked the Republican Party and held the House, especially, hostage. Who, exactly, comprises the radical left and what power do they hold over the Democratic Party?

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Have your hearing checked.

 

Your grasp of nuance is lost on the usual gang here.

 

Let me guess. Your recommendation to the problem of Obama being a right of center corporatist is to vote for whatever piece of filth the GOP comes up with right? Like Sarah "Half Term" Palin or Mitt "0.01%" Romeny? Funny thing is the right can't point to a single Republican President since Reagan that they actually liked. And before him it was Lincoln. But the truth is Lincoln sent men with guns to kill your ancestors. And if you knew the truth about Reagan you wouldn't like him either.

 

Harry Reid. Majority leader. Pelosi, minority leader, former speaker. Hank Johnson, Maxine waters, Charlie Rangel, chuck schumer, Alcee Hastings need I go on?

 

i'm constantly amused by the cheerleaders who claim bambam and his crew are centrist or even right of center. i recognize that a lot of them are from outside the country, without a firm grasp of the american ethos, or just plain idjits, but i chuckle none the less. this is a pretty conservative nation. we got to the top of the heap by maintaining a certain amount of conservatism and didn't really start to slip until we made that shift to the left. compared to the also-rans and dying nations of europe, no - this administration isn't as liberal as many others in the west. compared to what the average american actually believes, yes - this entire government is filled with blithering psycho leftists. they have been installed in office through the greed of their constituents, hoping their representatives will pour a bit of that washington pork in their direction, and maintain their power by catering to that greed. redistribution, welfare state rhetoric and empty promises are the tools they use to convince their constituents that they will continue to take funds from the rest of the nation and spend it in their own states. these actions alone don't constitute the leftward tilt. it is the means by which they go about catering to the malcontents of society, attempting to rewrite history and alter reality to suit the populist whims of the unruly mob. it is the collectivist mentality that places the good of various groups, not the good of the nation, above the basic rights of the individual. the invention of protected minorities and new, government sponsored rights for those minorities are the outcome, as is the departure of jobs and the nation's wealth.

 

How generous of you.
But the rest of your drivel shows a paranoid, bitter, hysterical perspective that comes straight from the lunatic fringe.
It's pure nonsense.

 

Yeah I'll be honest I have no real notion of modern politics, but something tells me that in the end his party was still supporting him.

 

no, i leave that sort of thing to the lunatic left. with their emotionalism and moral ambivalence, they need the hysteria of constant "emergencies" to keep their revolution going. the bitterness of envy gives them something to commiserate over and the paranoia engendered by a constant series of custom made scapegoats keeps the mob from ever noticing how they are being used.

 

That is not all they elected him for.

that is a problem.

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That is simply not true. Do you know why Gitmo isn't closed?

Americans who are fighting against the US on foreign land. Or enemy combatants.

Yes there has been.

No we know most people who say that are sheep of the right wing noise machine

T

When you come with substance.....maybe we can talk.

 

Thank you!!!!! I needed a good laugh for the day. The democrat party isnt any left of center. ROFLMAO Actually Stalin would be proud of a good percentage of todays democrats.

 

Its always interesting watching right wingers try and work this one.

Contrary to your false claim, Obama did try and close Gitmo and bring the prisoners to the US and try them in civil court (as should have happened in the first place), but the GOP blocked him.

Bush used drones before Obama did.

I will concede your point on the Patriot Act.

I don't know why conservatives howl about it now. They cheered for it in 2001.

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Wouldn't know. Never heard if the Democrat Party. There is no Democrat party headquarters, and I don't know anyone in the Democrat party.

 

They got duped. At this point, they're MORE pathetic than the last handful of Bush supporters.

 

Unfortunately I agree with you. During the Bush years I was embraced as a good buddy of leftwingers when it came to war issues. In posting we were thick as thieves bashing Bush and his administration for their various war ventures and then the instant Obama became president I was relabeled a conservative troglodyte and racist hater for having the utter audacity to -- gasp! -- criticize Obama for HIS war ventures. So, yes, for most of them it turned out that it really was all about partisanship; because apparently not a single damn one of them has ever evinced even one iota of disgust over Barack Obama's love of war ventures.

Eighteen more months of Iraq engagement after he became president? We are STILL inside Afghanistan to this day? Wedding parties murdered with his beloved drones? The war hating wars protesting leftwingers who were so very vocal during the Bush years? Like ghosts their voices have become distant and vague whispers in the vagrant breeze.

 

That Hussein Obama wants to go back to Iraq was documented in another thread on this forum.

 

Now for the truth regarding what REALLY happened in the early part of Obama's first administration regarding the 'effort' to close Gitmo. By the way this is from the Washington Post, an outlet that is about as pro-Obama as you can get without actually crawling into bed with him like the New York Times does all the time:

 

Translated, "yeah we worship him ,so what?"