Bible (Ham) vs. Science (Nye) Debate this Evening

Ok, then prove that is all any religion is .

 

time, space, matter (the Universe) has always existed - no beginning, no end
the "Big Bang" is misinformation - it is the beginning of our observable Universe - but there is no reason to believe the Universe had a true beginning

 

Interesting opinion, but how can something come from nothing? How can you have create something using nothing? Tis something that keeps me up at night but you do have a unique way of looking at it.

 

if something has always existed, it never came from anything - IT ALWAYS WAS !
i have always accepted the timelessness of the Universe going forward and backward. to me, it solves all issues.

have you ever heard of Zeno's Paradox ?

 

If it came from nothing then it prolly doesnt exist.

 

You are insufficiently versed in Physics. The Universe cannot be timeless; that concept violates what we know of Entropy - the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. The only way to get around such an understanding is to create what Hawking called "Imaginary Time".

Which you could also do with a tab of LSD.

 

How does the universe being timeless violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
It just means that the universe will evolve into chaos forever, this being true if our universe is the only universe wich is being contested by new theories like the multiverse one.

 

I think that was the gist of the post.
To many uneducated, stuck in 4000 yr old mythology.
Focus on education.

 

"Young Earth Creationism"....is Biblical, if you believe the Bible is literally true.

 

no ! it never 'came' from anything - it's always existed.

 

The rest of the world will go into the 21st Century knowing evolution is real...and creating bio-tech.

While, if guys like Ham or the South Dakota legislature get their way, OUR kids will be taught Adam & Eve rode Apatosauri and herded Tricerotops and "demonic spirits" not virii are the cause of disease.

 

But I believe, most christians think man was created out of dirt by having life breathed into the nostrils. And happened within 1 day.
Not evolved from a lower life form.

 

how so ? i see no evidence Entropy becomes rendered impotent in a timeless Universe if the Universe itself is able to evolve and allow for variation

 

I don't know if I want to watch this debate or not. I have seen several debates that included atheists like Dawkins, Hitchens, etc...and they did so bad I lost any respect for atheists I had. I would hate to lose respect for scientists.

 

This is basic Physics, people. Bounce around this slide show to explain the insurmountable problem with the Infinite Universe Theory.

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No one has any way of knowing whether what you quote there was simply the way the concept was communicated to those who would have limited ability to understand such concepts. I think far too many people - intent upon tearing down anything in the Bible - demand a 'literal' interpretation of what was written, or they dismiss it as invalid.

 

No , I will look into it. Kind of a mind blowing concept.

 

Another more in-depth explanation of the problems with Infinite Universe Theory.

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A graphic illustration of Olber's paradox - in argument against 'Infinite Universe' theory.

 

maybe he lives in an imaginary time??

 

It? what is it?

 

Are they having it at the Creation Amusement Park (I mean museum....lol).

Perhaps they'll have plastic T Rex in the background hovering over Adam and Eve, or maybe Fred and Wilma!

 

That seems like a literalist interpretation. The bible is littered with metaphor intertwined with reality or fact.

 

The extrapolation has nothing to do with religion, but - instead - with logic. If one assumes the existence of God, then one assumes the Cause of Creation, amongst which the mechanism of Evolution is a part.

And you either believe in God, and thus could easily rationalize how Evolution is a construct of programming, or you do not believe in God, at which point you have to defend the rather incredible notion that matter sprung from a completely unknown condition we call 'Singularity', and then organized and evolved into increasingly complex forms of life and matter -

- allthewhile having to defend the notion of the Laws of Physics, which demand that matter decays and order reduces to disorder.

I'll take the notion of Purpose and Design, thanks.

 

I understand what you're saying. This for me, however, isn't about what Ham wants or doesn't. He could be (and likely is) nuttier than a $3 bill. That Nye is taking him up on this debate isn't a fact because of Ham's insistence, but Nye's motivation.

What is the motivation of stigmatizing someone who most probably consider a fringeloon? The 'guilt by association' benefit - and that's the point.

 

People who dismiss the bible outright, dismiss thousands of years of knowledge and philosophy of the elders in ancient Afrika. It seems like a continuation of the slave trade era when so-called Afrikans were deemed as inferior, only worthy of servitude to the white 'master mind'.

 

Extrapolation has every thing to do with religion which is you just backpedaled.

As is rationalization for what is not proven or even suggested. As in god and god created evolution. You have to rationalize to believe such tripe.

Religion and religious beliefs always fails because they are empty of logic except for the circular kind.