Ukraine..why is any of our business?

I don;t understand why the US has any standing to interfere in the Ukraine. Not an ally, not a client. Why the hell should we get involved?

 

I agree, its a democracy let them work it out themselves...

 

Because we like democracy, and want people to have freedom of choice... that is as long as it's the leaders we want.

 

We shouldn't but it is fun to watch people burn stuff....

 

Ah the age old question of isolationism.....

I personally wish we had more of that actual idea. No matter which side we go on we are eventually called "evil USA" and all that nonsense by the other side and it sticks. We are always the bad guy, so I say screw it and let em kill each other, until you remember the past and

The problem is that every time we become a more isolation grounded national feel, the world seems to get itself in some huge crazy war.

What would it be like now with nuclear weapons in over a dozen countries.....

 

The rebellion in the Ukraine is encouraged by "The West".
The West that believes in democracy unless the people vote wrongly.
The Pro Russia government of Ukraine is a democratically elected government replacing the previous, Pro West government full of corruptions.

Even the Turks who dislike Erdogan believe they will get their justice at the next election.
The Pro West losers of the last Ukrainian election just don't want to practice democracy and are supported by the EU and
Today, Support the legitimate, democratically elected government of Ukraine.
Anything less is unseemly, especially by "The Democracy West".

Demonstrations are peaceful.
Rebellion is NOT peaceful. I object to terming the Ukrainian minority as carrying on demonstrations.
They are in a state of violent rebellion and should be managed thus. No terms.
The government is the government and responsible for the whole nation.

AND Oppose any and all American involvement.
God Bless Non Interventionism



Moi
And what is better abut being economically raped by Germany as opposed to Russia?

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I would observe altough. Very good to know what is going on. And how they deal with this on both side.

 

I agree we shouldn't be involved. But being from Chicago I have several Ukranian friends so it's something that interests me.

 

first of all, it's a huge international security issue

second, russia is headed in a bad direction and doesn't need to have ukraine in its arsenal

 

freedom is important.

the USA signed a treaty to look after the security of Ukraine.

 

It's none of our business.


When police harassed and attacked Occupy Wall Street did the UN intervene? Of course not.

 

international security is our business

 

What a nonsense. And, of course, you cannot supply any link to “USA signed a treaty to look after the security of Ukraine”.

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So, America should help to suppress rebels who try to destroy democratically elected Ukrainian government, isn't it?

 

democratically elected, what a joke

 

So you see paying protesters to burn Kiev and kill police as being international security?

 

I see, you know nothing.

 

i see that you don't have a good grip on reality in regards to what i said

i know that yanukovych's presidency is a sham and he's just a russian puppet

 

At the very most, we could use diplomatic or economic pressure, but we shouldn't get involved militarily.

 

There are two Ukraines. The Western part which leans towards the West, and the Eastern part which is Russian speaking and leans towards Russia. These people have two different historical memories, so no matter who is in office, half the nation will feel it is being oppressed. To make the situation worse, there are 'terrorists' coming in and provoking both sides in order to cause anarchy for their own self serving reasons. The government told the protest leaders to hand them over, but they didn't or they were unable to...and so we have the horrors we are now seeing.

I blame the U.S. because if someone as stupid as me could see the outcome, then why wasn't our government able to, unless of course they didn't care. Instead they are paying and encouraging the protesters in order to keep Ukraine away from Russia's influence. Yet they have nothing to offer Ukraine other than the paltry sums given to the protesters to continue protesting as the city burns and the police are being killed. Basically what the U.S. is doing is bullying and coercing the government to resign and force Ukraine to turn westwards...and this my friends, is what we sell as democracy to the world.

 

my friend from odessa says:

"There is one Ukraine. Always was, always will be.

Eastern part was killed off in 1931-1933 by Stalin and forcefully settled by russians.

Stalin starved close to 10 million peasants in Ukraine because he could not break them."

 

I hope we stay out of it. In time it will be resolved. I had to laugh at Obama remarks. Most world leaders already have Obama's number and know he is a BS'er and weak as a popcorn f**t. They are laughing behind Obama's back, as are many in the U.S.

 

of course kremlin stooges are laughing, maybe not for long, though

 

3 Points I would like to discuss.
They may seem repetitive to my previous uploads but, as time goes by their truthiness is affirmed.


1) Ukraine was only a Republic for administrative purposes of the USSR, like the 'stans.
Never a nation and no justification for separation from Russia.
Remember, Kiev was founded before Moscow by people called "Rus", not "Uks"

2) The current Pro Russia government was democratically elected defeating the Pro West incumbent.
The losers don't want to wait for their next election like more civilized Turks & Erdogan, so they riot/rebel.
And The West calls it demonstrations, not rebellion.

3) It has been a very, very long time since I have witnessed the West screwing the truth so frequently,
no doubt for the sake of globalist corporations and their profits.
Ukraine, like Mursi's Egypt represents the West encouraging rebellion against a democratically elected government.

Got FREEDOM? Try Occupy and see how fast you get "busted".
And you don't have to throw fire bombs or shoot police to be "busted". Just Occupy.



Moi

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Egypt was a bit different. Mubarak was someone that we helped keep in power who was anything but democratic.

However, Morsi's government, while democratically elected, was engaging in "revisions" to their constitution to give him even more power than Mubarak had. The Egyptian military stepped in to resolve the issue, so this was an internal affair.

 

There's BS involved, but it has more to do with our stated motivations.

Obama is no different from previous presidents in that he's just a mouthpiece for the military industrial complex. The real power in our system doesn't reside with the elected.

Granted, the same could be said for a lot of other systems.

Either way, our involvement in this isn't about Obama or any particular party. It's simply a matter of whatever economic or strategic interests the powers that be see in the situation. Presumably, we may aim to topple the current government in favor of one more malleable to our interests.

It's no different from how Russia meddles with Ukraine for the sake of their interests.