Do YOU believe that anarchy could work?

hello friends,

yes, I'm an anarchist. I'm against authority and hierarchy. I believe that the people should rule themselves, create their own laws, take care of their own land, etc. without the help of a government, military, police force, etc.

I've debated my political/social beliefs with a very limited number of people, so I came here to ask:

do YOU believe that anarchy could work?

personally, looking at anarchy for what it really is and what it actually entails, I believe that it would work. in fact, it would work very well.

thanks in advance for you input/participation.......

 

Yeah, but for who, and to what end? To say simply that it will work is not enough.

Also, welcome to the forum.

 

Do YOU believe that anarchy could work?

Only if they can get themselves organized.

 

Are you an anarcho-capitalist or anarcho-syndicalist?

 

It would "work" for about three weeks. It would lead to mass rape, theft and a rather catastrophic death toll. Anarchists ignore too much of what the world is and, like plenty of others, focus entirely on what they wish it was.

 

Try Somalia for a few weeks as a fresh faced white boy,

then come back and let us know!

 

Anarchy would descend into a big disaster because a lot of fundamentals that keep society moving come from the government.

So look at Iraq after Saddam was taken out of power. We didn't rush to put something back into its place and the whole society descended into chaos.

Some ideas out there like Anarchy or libertarianism have nice little abstract views; however, empirically they are disasters.

 

American anarchy would look about the same as New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

 

I don't see how it could be sustained without compromising itself.

 

I don't care if it could work.

 

The ego needs something to dominate, in order for us to function.

So, the absence of political power will just cause it to use something else, and that would likely be unpleasant.

 

Anarchy is incompatible with human nature.

It is as much of a pipe dream as communism.

 

Even more so IMO, although Pure Communism and Anarchy are virtually the same.

But at least Communism/Socialism can create a State or functioning system of order - whereas anarchy would likely lead to Totalitarianism/Feudalism before too long.

 

It depends. There is no clear-cut definition of anarchy which makes it difficult to evaluate. In general though, I would say that the biggest problem with anarchism is it is difficult to sustain economically. We can see that in many anarchist societies, there have been a lot of reliance on an overarching to make provisions and allocate more outside resources- See kibbutz in Israel and the EZLN in Mexico...On the other hand I think the danger with anarchism results in a world where there are aggressors who don't necessarily agree with anarchist ideals. This is what led to totalitarianism in the Ukraine Free State and anarcho-syndicalist movements in Franco's Spain. In Somalia, vulnerability led to establishment of warlords that cause most of the grief and struggle in the nation today

 

Pretty sure that anarchism just goes against human nature - we need a heirarchy of some sort - even Socialists agree to that

 

Outside of a small group of friends no. There will always be some authoritarian jackass who wants to rule over everyone else and there will always be followers who will help them enforce their will. If it wasn't for human nature anarchy would be wonderful.

 

You mean especially socialists agree to that.

Face facts: People are just too (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) weak for it to last.

 

1.) you appear to believe that anarchy is a state in which there are not rules-- that's false. Anarchy simply means that there is no hierarchy, government, etc. I once heard anarchy described as "democracy without government," so there would be rules, laws and so forth, just no central authority or hierarchal system of enforcing them. In effect, the people themselves, and as a whole would act as the "cops" if a situation were to arise. For example, what percent of the population believes that it is okay to rape, murder, etc. ? a very large percentage. so, naturally, the large group would overcome the small group (rapists, thieves, murderers)

2.) if government and formal hierarchy were abolished, would you go out and rape and murder people? -- to say that "Anarchists ignore too much of what the world is" is very inaccurate because we do understand that rape happens, we do understand that people are murdered and crimes are committed and above all, I believe we have a heightened understanding of that the world is: a corrupt, greed-driven, capitalistic, hell hole, essentially. it's a place where someone can have warehouses full of food while there are children starving on this planet. ....do you think anarchy would allow that to happen?

 

incompatible with human nature??? humans live in anarchy for hundreds of thousands of years! if it were really against our nature, don't you think we would have left that path sooner?

 

No responses have actually be given critical thought to back up the "anarchy = chaos" thesis. In order to do that, you have to properly define "anarchy" "government," and logically demonstrate the connection between "anarchy" and "chaos."

"An entity which asserts a monopoly on force in a given territorial area that extorts funds from the masses within the arbitrarily drawn lines to sustain itself and imposes its subjective decrees upon the people through horrifying violent acts is evil by any sensible ethic and impractical by any reasonable theory of economics."
-A wise man

 

Anarchy would not work. The movie "The Purge" is a great example of what Anarchy would do.

 

Would I go out and rape and murder people? No, I wouldn't, but your post once again, sadly, demonstrates the failure of anarchist-types to see the realities of the world. In case you haven't noticed, multiculturalism is a complete failure, and its multiculturalism that would prove people like me right and people like you wrong. If you tried this system when America's founders won their war for independence, I'm sure it would of done what you want it to do... for a time. Today it wouldn't, whether you wish that it would or not... respectfully.

No welfare checks or EBT cards in an anarchist society, right? So the inner city blacks start ripping their cities to pieces, causing catastrophic damage to American infrastructure.
The first few weeks of your dreamworld of liberty and freedom would look something like this:
[video=youtube;P43WZd611WA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43WZd611WA[/video]

When they ran out of food, they would start descending on suburban neighborhoods like The Walking Dead looking to rape, pillage and steal, and they would do it in massive numbers.
Our urban infrastructure has already been destroyed, and now the next phase of fun would begin. Massive rape, theft, and murder, driven by the racism of minorities (which you may or may not ignore the reality of) and a basic need for basic necessities which aren't to be found where they currently reside. You could have a government entity bring them supplies, sacrificing the validity of your own ideology (if it is indeed yours), or you could have do-gooder citizens do it, who would probably be killed by the very people they were trying to help, similar to some of the scenes that played out in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

This, of course, would lead to a great, racially driven backlash by American whites who would start banding together, well armed, and begin wiping them out on sight as a matter of necessity.

Mexican gangs would also be getting in on the action, and you would have a full scale ethnic race war on your hands.

Want to implement your ideology more slowly in an attempt to avoid all of this? Completely impossible, because rival ideologies aren't going to give you decades of free reign to eliminate government, and you'll simply lose the power you need to remove state-power from American life, and the entire effort will be in vain.

That's reality. It might not exist in your anarchist ideology library, but it's reality none-the-less.

Multiculturalism and the realities of the world make your political fantasy (which is really all it is) responsible for the complete destruction of American civilization at best (wide spread, coast to coast destruction of infrastructure, property, and mass theft, death and rape). It would be a very short lived social experiment either way.

 

No.

Anarchy won't work. People crave some sort of order, just not in excess.

 

Incorrect. We lived in tribal societies that were communistic and/or dictatorial in nature. It was not anarchic, those in charge simply didn't have control over a lot of people.