What Social Conservative issues are still viable in the year 2014?

PLEASE tell me when this day of reckoning is?

 

Yeah it's not just red states, it's incompetence. Cover Oregon is such a (*)(*)(*)(*) up there are potential lawsuits being investigated and one of our state representatives, a software engineer, stepped down due to the frustration of deal with the idiots who said "why buy a program used by other states for 2 million when the federal government will pay us 10 million to build our own program!" That statement right there, that explains why less government is better; sheer incompetence and needless spending.

 

If everything is equal, as you say, since that's the approval rating, who's to say that the 57 percent that don't support the Tea Party are opposed to the movement or that 44% oppose the Tea Party with 13% undecided or indifferent?

I wasn't meaning to say that a majority of Americans support Obamacare. I know that more people haven't seen any effect from the law than think it's helped. However, it's untold how many of the people that think the law negatively affects them have been buying into the GOP Kool-AId. We are too early to fully appreciate the law and thus any polls will be tainted with partisanship at this point.

As for the approval rating of the President, I figure most of that is due to a second-term slump. A president in his second term does not have to worry about his next election campaign, so they can basically say "screw off" to that particular metric.

 

The OP couldn't be more wrong. If any group lacks vitality, viability, and a future it is the latte liberals. The decadent upper classes in Europe and North America are rapidly going extinct. Radical feminism, abortion, homosexuality, hedonism will destroy them in a few generations. And they'll feel superior to everyone else all the way to oblivion.

Good news for women and their unborn babies: many people are calling for restrictions on the brutal abortion industry.

New Survey Finds 84% of Americans Support Significant Abortion Restrictions

The media bosses can't fool the people forever.

The Pro-Life Generation: Abortion Won’t be Around Long if Young Americans Have a Say

Abortion Groups Alarmed at Growing Pro-Life Support

Lives are being saved by these restrictictions on the ugly abortion industry.

Accomplishment #6: Pro-life laws have been enacted at the federal, state and local level.

Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Has Stopped 11,000 Abortions

Polls and New Laws Make Pro-life Defenders Optimistic in 2014

Pro-Life Politicians Have Made a Difference, Pro-Life Laws Work

Not really.

Studies Validating the Efficacy of Sexual Risk Avoidance (SRA) Abstinence Education

Try thinking on your own instead of repeating the propaganda spewed by the media bosses.

Attacking's Palin's child makes you look creepy.

The gay activists have had some success (if you call pushing the gay lifestyle - which has killed so many through disease - on confused young men a success). But twisted gay fanatics now want to imprison people who prefer not to celebrate the dangerous gay lifestyle. Anyone who cares about freedom will fight this kind of fanaticism.

85% Think Christian Photographer Has Right to Turn Down Same-Sex Wedding Job

Baker Faces Prison for Refusing to Bake Same-Sex Wedding Cake

Doesn't he have any freedom of artistic expression or speech or religion?

More tolerance from gay activists: ‘Stupid Bible-Thumping…B**ch’: Bakery That Refused to Make Gay Couple’s Wedding Cake Speaks Out Amid Threats, Economic Woes

I've noticed quite a few big corporations love the gay activist agenda, but should they really have the right to dictate to the American people?

Students should have freedom of speech & religion: Students win prayer lawsuit

 

Homosexuality has been around for most of recorded history, it's not going to go away. If you don't like equality under the law, you can always move to a place like Uganda.

It is impossible to catch a disease from having unprotected homosexual sex with a clean partner. The only reason that HIV/AIDS and syphilis are so prevalent within the gay community is because 1) HIV's route of transmission was not well understood until the mid-to-late eighties after it had already spread rapidly, and 2) syphilis mimics other innocuous conditions until after the disease has fully manifested itself.

I demand a source where people have been threatened with imprisonment for people who are not celebrating the gay lifestyle. Breitbart is not a source, it's a partisan, propagandist piece of trash that, if it had a printed edition, would be a leading source of toilet paper for people to wipe their asses.

85% of the population can think any right can be abridged, however, the Supreme Court has held that rights are not up for public vote or approval. Go read up about Barnette v. West Virginia.

Sure he does, if he either takes only appointments, or has a sign on the door of his business that he does not serve gays.

First off, you don't know who sent that email that called the business owner a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*), it could have easily been a plant by the business owners to drum up sympathy from the Conservative media, whose tendencies to fawn over any perceived slighted Christians is well-known.

Just as the business owner has a right to refuse service , as long as he follows proper channels, which it does not appear that he did, the customer has a right to publicize their experience dealing with the company.

They have no more right than the members of any religion do to dictate secular public policy. The big corporations that are supporting marriage equality realize that public opinion now favors that, and will continue to grow. We've already seen several publicly-traded and well-known corporations say that they are not going to tolerate discrimination. It is because they do not wish to be associated with discrimination. You see, most people realize that gays aren't the big, scary, disease-ridden monsters the Conservative Christian media paints them to be.

Elementary, middle, and high school students do not have the same rights in the school environment as they do outside of the school environment. That has been a doctrine from the Supreme Court upheld numerous times since it was first iterated in Tinker v. Des Moines. However, students do have the right to pray in school, the school just cannot condone it. Furthermore, a school cannot discourage or disparage those who wish to practice their faith during school hours, so long as it is done unobtrusively.

 

Who is to say that every single person who doesn't support the Tea Party might be opposed? It's possible, but you know it's ridiculous to suggest, there's always about 5% that are 'undecided.' In any case, if you were to assume that not a single person had any unsure or mixed feelings, it'd be 57% opposed to the Tea Party - compared to 55% opposed to Obama. ^_-

 

You lost it after that......

Tea Party Favorability Falls to Lowest Yet
Fifty-one percent view it unfavorably

by Joy Wilke

PRINCETON, NJ -- For the first time, a slim majority of Americans say they have an unfavorable opinion of the Tea Party movement. About one-third view the movement favorably, a new low. A smaller percentage, 22%, in a separate question identify themselves as supporters of the movement, while 24% describe themselves as opponents. Nearly half (48%) are neutral.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/166217/tea-party-favorability-falls-lowest-yet.aspx

 

1. No poll shows majority support for banning abortion or overturning Roe. None....."pro-lifers" lose.

2. Unbiased studies of abstinence-only sex ed...shows it does little to decrease sexual activity, tends to increase teen pregnancy.

2-A- I am attacking Palin's support of abstinence-only....which clearly FAILED in her own family, which is also touted as "conservative Christian family values-oriented"...so why would it work with other "conservative Christian" families...or even families that aren't?

3. "The gay activists have had some success "....your own admission of defeats. Thanks.

4. Is it legal for public schools to have teacher-led classroom prayers as before 1962? Yes or No?

 

Even with a 5% undecided factor with 43% supportive of the Tea Party that's only 48%, and thus, in a three-choice question, by simple logic, 52% would have answered opposed.

Like I've maintained, I don't dislike the idea of the Tea Party the way it was the first several months, grassroots Americans voicing their opinions. However, the leaders of the Tea Party sold themselves and their cause out to the donors, who just so happened to be the guys from Corporate America the original Tea Party folks would have tarred and feathered had they had the chance.

Now, however, it's morphed into the extremist wing of the Republican Party and you have Tea Party candidates using rhetoric that is opposed to what even their own donors support. The Koch-funded Cato Institute has a whole section pointing out that Same-Sex marriage is fiscally a sound idea and should be implemented to help raise federal funds. Of course, once it's done, they're going to ask for a break on their own taxes, and it'll end up not raising the revenues of the federal government. Then again, they don't have to advertise that second part, they already have enough influence over enough GOP lawmakers as it is and what with the maze of loopholes in the tax code, one more isn't going to be noticed by the general public.

Even though they're an extremist wing of the Republican Party, there's still a place for the Tea Party in the American political system if we just adopt a proportional means of representation. Having the Tea Party independent of the GOP would be a damn fine idea in my eyes. They already have their own bankroll independent of the GOP, and thus will not go away very easily. Plus, independence from the GOP would give them the chance to concentrate on fiscal issues and go back to their original platforms. PR, also, would give the Libertarian Party strength, and soon, the American Conservative voter has three options if they don't like the GOP's platform. It would not change how many Conservatives there would be in the United States or in Congress, but it would make the Conservative platform more appealing to a wider base.

 

Never happen. Even Tea Partyers are smart enough to realize that if they ever went "3rd Party"....they'd lose and the GOP would lose.

Which actually proves the LIE that Tea Party is "non-partisan, has lots of Independents and even Democrats who support it.".....if true? They'd have no problem becoming a 3rd Party and "easily defeating" both the Democrat and the "Establishment" Republican...

but they won't. Because TP is nothing but re-labelled Republican voters...period.

 

That's under the two-party paradigm currently seen in American politics. Replace that with a proportional representation paradigm as many European and Asian countries have, and we would see the Tea Party and the GOP split be largely void of acrimony.

A PR system would likely see the ushering in of several parties within a matter of two to three election cycles. Fiscally and socially liberal, fiscally conservative and socially liberal, fiscally liberal and socially conservative, and fiscally and socially conservative individuals would all each have their own parties, with other parties popping up in time.

The United States is not foreign to the idea of Proportional Representation, it was prevalent in certain areas of the United States in the late 19th Century until the mid 20th Century, and most of the court cases dealing with opposition to PR failed. Germany, Japan, Iraq, and Afghanistan, the four countries we have helped democratize in the last seventy years, have all adopted Proportional Representation, and they are much smaller and somewhat more homogenous societies than the United States. In fact, of those four, only Iraq could really rival the United States in terms of cultural diversity.

Had the Tea Party kept faithful to their original goal of curbing government waste, they would have actually gained more Democratic support. However, they would not be able to become a third party to rival the dominance of the big two. Even with the Kochs' support, they would be relegated to a spoiler party.

That's what they've become over the past three to four years. The Tea Party is the Conservative reaction to the increasing tide of ultra-partisanship within the American political system. It's likely that within the next decade we will see an extremist Liberal wing establish itself within the currently center-right Democratic Party. As it stands right now, more Americans are disillusioned with both parties than are favorable toward one party or the other. In the next twenty years, we will see the support for the two parties dwindle further until it gets to a point where more Americans are unhappy with both parties than are in favor of both parties combined.

 

Real quick, PTP

1. I will not engage in fantasy stuff like us going to proportional representation. A Flat Tax and "eliminating the Fed" are more likely.

2. TP could never "kept faithful to their original goal"...because their "original goal" was a lie. TPers cared nothing about deficits, debt, or spending under Dubya. It was solely a creation of the Right to let Bush supporters pretend they were "something new" so as to not look like hypocrites when they complained about Obama's deficits....after (as I said) saying nothing about Bush's deficits and spending.

3. Again, TP was never "bipartisan". In 2010 they had ONE Democrat they endorsed...and dropped him to support the Republican quite quickly. By Election 2010...there were NO Democrats, not even the most conservative, that had a TP endorsement.

 

Oregon is not an example of how state exchanges work well.

Three months after it was supposed to go live, the online enrollment system is the only one in the nation that still hasn't launched, and the state has had to rely on paper applications.

Sorry, the exchanges that are doing well are in states like CT and CA. In fact, CT's works so well they're going to package their approaches and sell them to states that are having trouble.

 

No need to apologize to me, I've thought Cover Oregon was a bad idea since it started and that buying software which is being provided to other states is the way to go both in getting a function product and in getting support as well as saving money by not needing to re-invent the wheel. What our state legislature has done is a classic example of waste, fraud, and abuse and I hope it leads to people being jailed for robbing money from the public (of course it will not since the government is immune from the consequences of their decisions). Time will tell what happens but I believe the ACA, ObamaCare, whatever is about the best example of corporations owning the government we have to date, well short of the Verizon vs. Free Internet ruling which Comcast jumped right on so they could charge Netflix for having the audacity to give people a reason to go with high speed internet which in many places is only provided by the local cable company (like Comcast).

Being required to use a companies services or face penalty is insane. The government basically said "here you go insurance companies, take what you want from the people, if they refuse we'll just steal money from them."

 

No one must engage in homosexual behavior. So all this talk about homosexuality as an ethnic group is foolish. Homosexuality is a behavior (like alcoholism or over-eating) and a very damaging one.

You don't like Africans?

Let's look at the damage caused by the homosexual lifestyle.

CDC Analysis Provides New Look at Disproportionate Impact of HIV and Syphilis Among U.S. Gay and Bisexual Men

Gay activists fought common sense health measures and helped the disease spread.

I guess you can't accept facts that conflict with your prejudices. I gave you one source, here's another: Colorado baker faces year in jail for refusing to make cake for gay wedding

If you give judges too much power they won't serve the cause of freedom they'll serve elite interests.

No, these corporations seek to impose their "values".

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Those trapped in the homosexual lifestyle deserves our sympathy, but homosexual activists don’t.

Here’s why:

1) The homosexual lifestyle the activists celebrate too often means a painful death.

Gay, bisexual men still at high risk for HIV-study

2) Homosexual activists demand taxpayer-funded propaganda celebrating the homosexual lifestyle. These lies are even being forced on children!

Protect your children from 'Harvey Milk Gay Day'

3) Victory for the homosexual activists means loss of freedom.

New Mexico Court: Christian Photographer Cannot Refuse Gay-Marriage Ceremony

Gay marriage incompatible with religious freedom

4) Homosexual activists want to starve African children if Africans don’t submit to the activists’ demands.

Obama Fights Nigerian Anti-Gay Bill, Threatens To Cut Off Aid

Gay Tory MP: Withdraw UK aid to Uganda if it passes anti-gay legislation

I'm sure we all condemn this kind of imperialism.

5) The academic establishment lacks tolerance for those who deviate from the politically correct party line regarding homosexuality.

GAY ORTHODOXY AND ACADEMIC HERESY

 

How is lesbianism damaging? Or doesn't that count as homosexuality?

 

Here's the thing - if 33% are Republicans, and 42% support the tea party, there's a problem with saying the tea party is just a bunch of radical Republicans.