Why do blacks in America think that the Democrats actually care about them?

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  1. JJ Gettes

    JJ Gettes Member

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    Who or what doesn't have a racist history? The American Communist Party. You want to defend them?
     
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    Sanskrit Well-Known Member

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    I have. But will summarize here again:

    1. Blacks, as true historical victims, were more susceptible to a leftist socialist victimology propaganda narrative than a more positive self-reliance and self-determination opposing narrative. This false race narrative from the left has been blared out through a megaphone for decades. Only recently, with the advent of the net and alternate POVs in media, have the obvious, blatant leftist race lies become apparent. It's not only stupid people who fall for excellent propaganda, esp in light of near infinite repetition for years.

    2. Blacks have a recent history of horrendous mainstream leadership, touted and bolstered at every turn by MSM. Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, Rangel, etc., constantly in the news, constant press, given the purported "black voice." Opposition like Alan Keyes and other alternate, reasonable black leaders? Almost utterly ignored, closed out, name-called for decades until the inroads of RW media into what had been a Democrat monopoly for decades. Clarence Thomas, one of the most brilliant jurists of the 20th century, stands as a banner example of this. MSM wants to make Thomas' legacy entirely about Anita Hill, why? Because... black Republican.

    3. Like the post Reconstruction white South, blacks have been impoverished. The South stuck to the Democrat Party ("Solid South") until Southerners started entering the middle class and up (among other reasons... not related to any endemic "Southern racism.") Then as wealth increased, the Southern vote began to shift. This wealth increase is just now occuring in many areas with black concentration in population, but has been stifled by big city machine Democrat politics in many urban areas. Blacks vote Democrat in those areas because they have seen that the political machine is a way out of poverty. They haven't yet responded to the message that entrepreneurialism and self-reliance are the true paths out.

    4. Obama is the first black president. This surely partially explains the massive disproportionate Democrat black vote. Will they vote for wealthy old insider Hillary Clinton in the same %? I doubt it, will be interesting to see.

    5. As was intended and clearly stated as such by LBJ, the left via wrongheaded socialist government programs, has created a dependent core voting bloc among the black community via 50 years of War on Poverty. One plantation was traded for another, and once someone is dependent, black, white, yellow or red, they can be convinced of anything so long as the check's in the mail on Friday.

    6. The bipartisan institutional police state, where we have ~a dozen armed federal police forces together with literal militarized armies of local armed thugs with badges, all out there looking for new clients and creating far more criminals than they catch, has disproportionately affected a concentrated black community. Dehumanized people are unpredictable, both in crime commission and voting. We now have the highest incarceration rate in the world, higher than Iran, Libya, Yemen, North Korea, that disproportionately affects blacks and other minorities. Leftist propaganda has done an excellent job of laying this police state at the door of the right, when in actuality, the left are the "big government" adherents, particularly among the female "law and order to protect me and my kids because there's no daddy" voting bloc.

    Those are a few factors. There are many more.
     
  3. JJ Gettes

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    In your post about all those dead Republicans. LOL!

    Feel free to ignore that in FDR's first presidential election, 75% of them voted for Hoover, who only seemed like a dead Republican.
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hmm...., coming from the member of the group that uses obfuscation, character assassination, disinformation and perpetually lies to hide it's past.
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    The sole dissenter was republican. Eugenics is a movement among progressives. You can't blame that on us. I thought you claimed teddy for your side these days?
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Commies are plenty racist.

    I am not talking about history. Name a black republican today not called a racist and Uncle Tom. Not give names in a nation of 300 million. Just one.
     
  7. JJ Gettes

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    These aren't factors, they are whims. Blacks were victimized by states rights conservatives and their liberation has come through federal intervention which is supported by liberals.

    Do you think Blacks are going to vote for the party that puts judges on the court who gut the Voting Rights act? Of course not. Republicans know that, so they strive to put up as many barriers as possible between the Black voter and the ballot box.
     
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    https://tinyurl.com/o2j84dm

    The Myth of the Dixiecrat Switch of the Republican and Democratic parties
    The left is quite annoyed that myself and others dare link the racist, segregationist past in this country to Democrats, at that flies in the face of everything they claim to champion, when it comes to civil rights, racial tolerance, etc.
    The Democrats’ own website, to this day, attempts to take fraudulently credit for the civil rights movement and legislation, and when called on it, the recitation is the same: “we’ve grown” and “don’t forget about the Dixiecrats”.
    Defensive liberals claim the Dixiecrats, as a whole, defected from the Democrat Party when President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (no thanks to Democrats), and became Republicans which they claimed were more accepting of segregationist policies.
    Well, I decided to get some opinions on the matter from some historians.
    I contacted Professor Larry Schweikart of the University of Dayton for advice. Larry and I worked on a documentary based on a chapter on Ronald Reagan from his best-selling book, A Patriot’s History of the United States.
    The idea that “the Dixiecrats joined the Republicans” is not quite true, as you note. But because of Strom Thurmond it is accepted as a fact. What happened is that the **next** generation (post 1965) of white southern politicians — Newt, Trent Lott, Ashcroft, Cochran, Alexander, etc — joined the GOP.
    So it was really a passing of the torch as the old segregationists retired and were replaced by new young GOP guys. One particularly galling aspect to generalizations about “segregationists became GOP” is that the new GOP South was INTEGRATED for crying out loud, they accepted the Civil Rights revolution. Meanwhile, Jimmy Carter led a group of what would become “New” Democrats like Clinton and Al Gore.
    Larry also suggested I contact Mike Allen, Professor of History at the University of Washington, Tacoma (who also appeared in the Reagan documentary) for input.
    There weren’t many Republicans in the South prior to 1964, but that doesn’t mean the birth of the souther GOP was tied to “white racism.” That said, I am sure there were and are white racist southern GOP. No one would deny that. But it was the southern Democrats who were the party of slavery and, later, segregation. It was George Wallace, not John Tower, who stood in the southern schoolhouse door to block desegregation! The vast majority of Congressional GOP voted FOR the Civil Rights of 1964-65. The vast majority of those opposed to those acts were southern Democrats. Southern Democrats led to infamous filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
    The confusion arises from GOP Barry Goldwater’s vote against the ’64 act. He had voted in favor or all earlier bills and had led the integration of the Arizona Air National Guard, but he didn’t like the “private property” aspects of the ’64 law. In other words, Goldwater believed people’s private businesses and private clubs were subject only to market forces, not government mandates (“We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.”) His vote against the Civil Rights Act was because of that one provision was, to my mind, a principled mistake.
    This stance is what won Goldwater the South in 1964, and no doubt many racists voted for Goldwater in the mistaken belief that he opposed Negro Civil Rights. But Goldwater was not a racist; he was a libertarian who favored both civil rights and property rights.
    Switch to 1968.
    Richard Nixon was also a proponent of Civil Rights; it was a CA colleague who urged Ike to appoint Warren to the Supreme Court; he was a supporter of Brown v. Board, and favored sending troops to integrate Little Rock High). Nixon saw he could develop a “Southern strategy” based on Goldwater’s inroads. He did, but Independent Democrat George Wallace carried most of the deep south in 68. By 1972, however, Wallace was shot and paralyzed, and Nixon began to tilt the south to the GOP. The old guard Democrats began to fade away while a new generation of Southern politicians became Republicans. True, Strom Thurmond switched to GOP, but most of the old timers (Fulbright, Gore, Wallace, Byrd etc etc) retired as Dems.
    Why did a new generation white Southerners join the GOP? Not because they thought Republicans were racists who would return the South to segregation, but because the GOP was a “local government, small government” party in the old Jeffersonian tradition. Southerners wanted less government and the GOP was their natural home.
    Jimmy Carter, a Civil Rights Democrat, briefly returned some states to the Democrat fold, but in 1980, Goldwater’s heir, Ronald Reagan, sealed this deal for the GOP. The new ”Solid South” was solid GOP.
    BUT, and we must stress this: the new southern Republicans were *integrationist* Republicans who accepted the Civil Rights revolution and full integration while retaining their love of Jeffersonian limited government principles.
    I’m sure the more learned Democrats will have issues with these explanations.
    Oh well.
    source: http://www.black-and-right.com/2010/03/19/the-dixiecrat-myth/
    Update: Sourcing wikipedia and other dubious sources is not a good way to argue… At least mine is from a Professor at a reputable University
     
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    The American Communist Party defended Black rights more than the Democrats or Republicans did.

    You are talking about history, you were referring to past union attitudes toward Blacks.

    I'm sorry there are people who call Black Republicans Uncle Toms or racist, but there is often some truth in what they say. The only victim of racism that Clarence Thomas has ever heard of is himself.
     
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    Thanks for chuckle. We are to believe the GOP was the champion of civil rights because Barry Goldwater's, like today's Rand Paul's opposition to civil rights was for principled reasons. They put white property rights over Black human rights. Well THAT certainly clears up the confusion.
     
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    'We'? Who is 'we'?
    You can believe anything you want. You can dismiss the facts if it makes you warm and comfy. Obviously it hit a nerve and bothered you. Good. It's time to wake up and acknowledge the fifty year old lie.
     
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    Blacks support people who support their interests.

    That's why they mostly vote Democrat over the last 40 years.
     
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    What truth? Please cite it if you want to make that claim.

    Uncle Tom was the hero of that book by the way. That is how dumbed down we are as a nation. Its most important publication isn't assigned reading but books about how great Obama is are under common core. Nuts!

    Communist fight against rights. They were fighting to enslave blacks to them. You can't call totalitarians freedom fighters.

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    Name one single town where Dems give them average police and school services. Not 2, just one.

    (Watch he will dodge)

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    Red states have better black voter turn out then blue states. If racism is keeping them from the ballot box why are democrat states so racist?
     
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    This basically sums it all up.
     
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    "We" are the readers of that tome I responded to.
     
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    Yeah, what does That guy King know? :wink:
     
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    It looks like you are by yourself. That means 'we' is 'you'.
     
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    Republicans kept the MLK holiday held up for decades. Black folks remember this.
     
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    Yes. Let's argue about that.

    I commented on an assertion from the article, but somehow that gets ignored. Gee, I wonder why?
     
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    I always laugh when I see Republicans today claim King was a conservative.

    King was fighting against racist conservatives back in the day. And if he wasn't murdered by a racist conservative, he would still have been fighting them until the day he died.
     
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    "I'll have those n***ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
    ~LBJ
     
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    Rand Paul wants to get rid of anti-discrimination laws.

    Rand Paul is a Republican.
     
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    Thanks for a perfect example of the pervasive leftist narrative of lies on race for 50 years, and noted that you don't even bother (likely because you can't) respond to my points in any meaningful way.

    And how exactly was the voting rights act "gutted?" By removing federal scrutiny over Southern states' election process, LONG overdue. Ridiculous leftist hyperbole "gutted" noted and dismissed.
     
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    The answer is very simple: this is because blacks know that old white men are racists and majority of them are in the Republican party. Blacks know about legislative voting problems designed by Republican Governors. Is it enough? How about minimal wage?
     
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    Blacks tend to vote for Progressives, and most Progressives these days are Democrat.

    case closed.
     

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