There is almost always some prejudice against the oppressor by the oppressed. That doesn't imply it is based upon ignorance or bigotry because it is based upon the facts that document the oppression instead. What is undeniably true in America today is that white men are not oppressed nor are they being 'punished' by society or the laws of the United States. Not a single study I'm aware of documents any significant denial of equality of opportunity in either education or enterpise for white American males. The "racist" points out anecdotal cases that are exceptions and they are not statistically relevant.
The anti-Semetic stereotyping of Jews continues to be a problem for social-conservatives in the United States as was demonstrated just a few days ago by The televangelist, and former GOP presidential candidate, Pat Robertson. https://en-maktoob.entertainment.ya...busy-polishing-diamonds-tinker-023600085.html The vast majority of Jews are not wealthy, they do mow their own lawns, they fix their own cars as often as WASP's, and this anti-Semetic stereotyping of Jews as "big-nosed wealthy" people is sickening here in America today as it was in NAZI Germany. We can also note that Jews suffer the highest precentage of religious motivated hate crimes against them in America by far according to the FBI hate crime statistics. BTW Blacks suffer the greatest percentage of race-based hate crimes in America being over 22-times more likely to be a victim of a racially motivated hate crime than a white person according to the FBI statistics on hate crimes.
Where do you imagine any of this addresses what I actually wrote? I pointed out that the stereotype of Jews in the US was that they were once considered dumber than Gentile Europeans in response to your argument that Blacks are score lower on IQ tests due to stereotype. The obvious logic from that is easy enough to glean, so I thought. Btw, where's your study on five year old Black and White children with the same IQ?
And blacks today are considered to be less intelligent than whites by those with anti-black racial prejudice based upon ignorant stereotyping which is what I was pointing out by analogy related to the "Jews" and "Wealth" being propagated by social-conservatives (i.e. 79% of "Republicans" expressed explicit anti-black racial prejudice in 2012 up from 71% in 2008 ). For those that review this trend the obvious reason for the rise in anti-black racial prejudice is tied to the rise of the Tea Party Movement and the dramatic rise of other right-wing extremists movements like the "birthers" and "patriot" hate groups based upon the election of President Obama. While locating an older scientific study is hard it was easy to find a reference to that study. http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html In fact those "preadolescent test scores" of black children raised by white parents rose so dramatically that they were on a par with white children in the actual study which is what I expressed. As noted the scores drop dramatically during the childs adolescent years as social influences adversely affect the black child's performance.
LoL. Where to even begin? What part of my point don't you understand? Jews were once considered less intelligent in the US. So why aren't Jews in the same boat as Blacks? Do you not understand how my example refutes your argument? There is no 'reference' to your imagined study. I'm well aware that Black children raised by Whites score higher on IQ/cognitive testing that Black children raised by Blacks; it is why I specifically highlight the fact that adopted Black (and Korean/East Asian) children are raised by White families when discussing adoption studies. The Minnesota Transracial adoption study shows that Black seven year old children raised by White families have significantly lower IQ than adopted White seven year old children. LoL.
I already stated that the statement was based upon the study (and did not reference it or I would have posted the study itself). That is only true until they start to become aware of the invidous stereotyping which starts early and increases over time. Every year that passes increases the awareness of the black child and their test scores steadily decline. Even as young as 7 years old their test scores are starting to decline. ************************** I'm going to make a bold "edit" in red to the following statement to correct it. There is no evidence whatsoever that black children have lower intellegence than a white childern. Only the test scores differ and as the APA points out the IQ test does not measure "human intelligence" but instead measures a single atribute for a specific purpose and the test results are significantly effected by factors that distort the actual test scores themselves. *********************************************** Once again in a general context (i,e, addressing no one in particular) the "racist" either intentionally or through ignorance is misrepresenting what IQ test scores mean and the factors that affect the test scores between races. I really do pity the racist for their ignorance and bigotry. They are trying so hard to feel "superior" to blacks because of a deep insecurity complex. Perhaps they really do know that they are inferior and it's not just a complex..... Who knows what's really in the mind of the racist but it really is a sad thing to watch.
Except there is no mention of 'five year olds' or IQ parity between Blacks and Whites. What the snippet mentions is something entirely different. As usual, you seem eager to misrepresent quoted items. Eg., your claim that a previous article you posted showed the Black-White IQ difference are entirely due to motivation levels. The article never addresses any such issue. It simply claims that IQ for tests that matter little is affected by motivation. There is no proof that any such study exists. I'm guessing it doesn't, and your snippet sure doesn't reference what you've been claiming. Let this refute the garbage you're spewing: And on motivation: Are Blacks actually less motivated based off assumptions; research says 'no'. http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic185351.files/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
Let's cut to the chase. IQ tests are only relative to others taking the same test and do not measure human intelligence according to the APA. http://www.apa.org/topics/intelligence/ Any person that attempts to claim that an IQ test measures human intelligence is a liar. We don't have any test that measures human intelligence at this time.
I read there's a strong correlation between high IQ and academic success in math and science. But I agree IQ tests don't measure every aspect of intelligence. For example IQ tests don't measure creative ability and creative ability is usually necessary for actual scientific achievement in the real world. For example one of the scientists, either Watson or Crick, who won a Nobel Prize for discovering the structure of DNA only scored 114 on an IQ test.
Anecdotally I've known individuals that I wouldn't consider to be "intelligent" (although I don't know their IQ test scores) that have been extremely successful in enterprise. Our IQ tests target specific "intelligence" atributes that, based upon history, result in greater educational and economic success. That is all they're designed for and basically to create the test we look at the achievement of individuals and then design the test based upon those "intelligence" atributes of those people. The test is actually "reverse-engineered" based upon the "end result" as opposed to being an objective measurement of human intelligence. That is a problem when it comes to racists. They want to establish "white supremacy" by using an IQ test score to rationalize that "whites" are more intelligent than a "blacks" based upon their anti-black racial prejudice. The problem is, as the APA points out, the IQ tests don't measure human intelligence at all. IQ tests only measure very limited attributes of intellegence based upon the reverse engineering of the test to predict specific outcomes and there are numerous factors that distort the IQ test scores so even the "predictability" itself is often questionable. .
So how likely you are to be successful in advanced countries. Thats why we see blacks, whites, Asians ect who average say 110 IQ averaging around the same pay. Its just that some races have higher percentages of people averaging 110. People point it out not for supremacy but to counter the lefts position that is all because you're racist bigoted haters, thats the only reason (*hand over ears) blah blah im not listening argument. This is why leftist need AA and quotas rather than using the law against individuals that discriminate.
What's funny is that Whites outperform Blacks on every cognitive test conceived (with an exception to movement time tests - interestingly Whites outperform East Asians, so the test seems to be inversely correlated with IQ). The moans and excuses regarding IQ ignore that IQ is only one intelligence test; there are many more. More importantly, IQ is positively correlated with every possible positive life attribute you could consider: Crime rates, success, wealth, education, etc. I have to wonder on what basis should we consider Blacks and Whites equal in intelligence when there is no evidence to support such a claim. Such whiners can hardly complain if they have nothing to substantiate their belief that Blacks and Whites have equal intelligence levels. IQ tests, for their supposed faults, are better than ideologically driven belief.
Actually we don't see that. For example I've read (but lost the link) where a black man with an MBA (Masters in Business Adminstration) which is one of the most desired degrees in the US receives about the average pay of a "white man" with any four-year degree. That is substantially less than what a white man with an MBA receives in compensation. Anti-black racial prejudice requires the "black man" to be superior in knowledge, experience, and education than a "white man" in our economy. This was shown to be the case in 2003 when black and white applicants with virtually identical resumes and interview skills were sent out to apply at the same companies. When all factors other than race were elimintated a white applicant was 2.4 to 3.4 times more likely to be called back for a second interview which would have been indicative of 'hiring" of the person. All things being equal the black man will not typically get the job or be paid as much if they do. Statistics also reflect that the "black man" is typically the first person to be laid off during economic downturns. Last to be hired, first to be laid off, and paid less all because of anti-black racial prejudices that distorts the perception of the capabilities of the black person.
How would you know? A degree isn't equivalent to an IQ. Who would blame them? Due to affirmative action, less qualified Blacks and Hispanics are taking the spots of more qualified Whites and Asians. I wouldn't want to hire someone who understood the material less than another applicant. http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/chavez062101.asp Btw, I find it funny that you've conveniently ignored the cognitive/IQ results of young children after the facts completely refuted your claim that Black and White 3-5 year old children would have near identical scores. IQ's not important, except when you were initially claiming 5 year old White and Black children have the same IQ. LoL. Proven wrong; again.
The racist propaganda is never-ending. First and foremost the federal affirmative action guidelines do not establish any quota requirements nor do they give preferential treatment to those classified under the Affirmative Action guidelines. Admission policies of universities, such as medical schools, are not a part of the Federal Affirmative Action guidelines that only address enterprises with more than 50 employees that have US government contract work. It only requires them to have policies and procedures that attempt to mitigate racial and gender prejudice. In short, condemning "Affirmative Action" under federal law related to medical school admissions is a false argument because the Federal Affirmative Action law does not address colleges. It's a lie to use the argument. Next is the fact that colleges and universities do not admit anyone that isn't qualified, period. Everyone that is admitted is qualified for admission regardless of race, gender, or ethnic heritage. "Qualified is Qualified" regardless of test scores that are only one consideration for admissions. If a person "passes" the test they are eligible for enrollment and other criteria for admissions then apply. No one that fails the addmission test is admitted to any of the schools. Everyone is qualified to attend that passes the tests regardless of whether they're admitted or not. The quotation in the post about admissions at medical schools needs to be addressed based upon the 2011 information on the demographics at the noted medical schools provided for by the following link: https://www.aamc.org/download/160146/data/table31-enrll-race-sch-2011.pdf In 2011: At the Unversity of Washington Medical School there were only 19 blacks students representing less than 2% of total enrollment. At the New York Medical school there were only 45 black students representing 5.5% of medical school enrollment. At New York University medical school there were only 21 black students representing 2.9% of total enrollment. The University of Maryland medical school had 61 black students which represents 9.1% of total enrollment. MC Georgia has 66 black students representing 7.7% of total enrollment. Michigan State had 52 black students that represented 7% of total medical student enrollment. At all medical schools in the United States there were only 5,581 black students out of a total enrollment of 80,279, or about 7%, and any claim that they are "taking seats from white students" isn't just a lie, it's a damn lie. Of note the United States Medical Licensing Examination that is referred to is an extremely tough exam to pass and, similiar to State Bar Exams, most of those taking it fail on the first try and many fail on the second try as well. The quoted source does not state that the blacks that failed this exam didn't eventually pass nor did it provide the 'white" failure rates for comparison. There is a much simplier explanation of the opinion article cited and that is that Linda Chavez is just another racist Republican author, commentator, radio talk show host, and Fox News analyst. Racism coming from Fox News? Surprise, Surprise.
I take it you didn't read the post well. I'll highlight the relevant passages, and anyone with half a brain can come to the conclusion whether Blacks and Hispanics are taking seats from Whites and Asians: Please explain how Blacks students are thirty times more likely - with the same grades/MCAT scores - to be admitted to one medical school than a White student without taking seats from these Whites students? How do you manage to bend logic like that in your mind? The rest of your post is more of the usual deceptive half-truths and spin. Medical schools risk losing federal funding if they do not meet Federal government quotas. Of course you did not mention this; more half-truths, as per usual, I see. Pray tell, what is your evidence that Whites and Blacks have identical intelligence and behavioral traits? Every argument and supposed statistic and source you've managed to provide has been soundly refuted; yet you continue running around like a chicken with its head cut-off.
Blacks were not put into concentration camps, for starters, and none have been enslaved for 150 years now. The Native Americans have a MUCH more recent claim, or at least, the Apaches do.
What do you see as punishment? Maybe some people feel unfairly disadvantaged, hold grudges for long past events, and fantasize about some sort of payback, but most people just want an even shot right now and to be free from unfair bias.
Considering that the UW medical school only had 19 black students and 725 white students (in 2011) it would be impossible to rationalize how black" students were taking any "white" seats. There aren't even 30 black students to take 30 seats from anyone so obviously the statistic is meaningless. As noted the test scores are not the sole criteria for admission to the University of Washington and with only a maximum number of 19 different "black" student test scores over several years (i.e. med school takes several years to finish) it's unlikely that there were even 19 white students that had the identical test scores. There is also no evidence that the 19 black students attending in 2011 won't become medical doctors in the future. Based upon racial demographics of Washington State the UW should have 126 African-American students instead of just 19, So the real question is why are African-Americans under-represented at the University of Washington medical school and who's taking their seats?
If we're into "explaining" then please explain why four out of five Republicans (79%) express explicit anti-black racial prejudice according to a 2012 study (up from 71% in 200. Now that's something I'd like explained because it would certainly help explain the racism at Fox News and why Republicans express illogical arguments based upon racial prejudice. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/27/poll-black-prejudice-america/1662067/ Of course I would also ask that if 19 black students at the UW medical school are too many then how many black students are acceptable?
You are obviously unaware of the TRUTH about the history of slavery. It has existed, among ALL races and nations throughout history. It is nothing new and nothing racist. It was simply a matter of economics. As for the slave trade that brought Africans to Europe and the New World - let's set the record straight. It was Africans who captured and enslaved fellow Africans! They then sold their captives to Arab traders who in turn sold them to the Portuguese. The slaves were then transported to centers where they were further sold to ship captains to be taken to where they could get the most money! In the early days of North America, many whites were brought here in bondage called indebtedness. Should we be required to pay restitution to the descendants of those debtors? If that were the case, every citizen of Australia and New Zealand should be paid because their descendants came as convicts. Just get real - and get a life!
Then obviously those 19 Black students took seats away from White students based off the ratio I gave from a previous year. You can comprehend how that would work, right? Blacks students are under-represented because their average grades/MCAT scores are significantly lower than the White and Asian average. I thought this was well known by now.
The only illogical arguments I've seen in this thread were from a poster claiming 6 year old Black and White children have the same IQ, the differences between IQ scores for Blacks and Whites is '100% due to motivation', and a failure on this poster's part to quantify the correlation of motivation on IQ. What illogical views do you think Republicans are expressing? Is it illogical to believe humans stopped evolving from the neck up? Is it logical to believe Blacks and Whites have the same IQ when there isn't one shred of evidence you can provide to show this? As for 'racist' Republicans, what is illogical or wrong with racism? It seems perfectly logical to be racist if a particular race has more likely to commit violence against the general population than another, right? As for racism being 'wrong', have you shown this metaphysically?
