Smoking Guns: The Official Story Tellers

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  1. Primus Epic

    Primus Epic Well-Known Member

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    Why not just POINT OUT the so-called LIES that you see in here? I've been asking you Official Types to do that for quite a while now and all I ever get is non-sequitur reply after non-sequitur reply, as if that equates to response on the merits of the OP.

    If you see a lie, call it out and THEN provide your back-up for WHY you know it to be a lie. It really is just that simple. Parading around this thread, wearing the 'tin-foil-hat' of the Official Tin-Foil-Man Theory about vanishing aircraft, liquified aircraft, bouncing aircraft that have pieces showing up nearly eight miles away, aircraft that defy the laws of Thermodynamics and maintain enough kinetic energy to punch clean (Shape Charge) cookie cutter holes through steel reinforced concrete walls, while not having enough energy to send aircraft debris through the same darn hole in the wall, etc., etc., etc., really does absolutely nothing to bolster your claims about being "lied to."

    The only "lies" that I am aware of, come straight out of the official storyteller mouths - where nothing adds up and what's up is now down, what's left is now right, what's inside is now outside and what's right is now dead wrong. That's the state of affairs for the official story.

    Now, I've intentionally stepped aside in this thread for several days, waiting for someone on the official storyteller side to rebut the details inside this thread. Yet, no one has taken up that gauntlet. And, do you know why? One word: FEAR. You absolutely FEAR the truth. That's why. And, for no other reason do you continue to fail to respond on the merits.

    Every single one of your official nonsensical insertions have been summarily proven flat out dead wrong by my use of the official 911 Commission Report itself. I used that document, page, paragraph and sentence number when applicable, to uncover not only the false statements you official storytelling clueless ones continually make, but the official lies and inconsistencies EMBEDDED within the 911 Omission Report itself. I've uncovered only a small fraction of those inconsistencies right here, yet you official types continually pronounce "Victory!" and then run off into a dark corner in the fetal position hoping I don't come back here to answer your retorts.

    Yeah, well - I'm here. Still waiting for some rational #@%#@ explanation for how the %@#@# did Dick Cheney know what nobody on planet earth was supposed to know at the time about Flight 77, because we have already demonstrated, using the 911 Commission Report as proof, that the PEOC chatter could not have possibly been about Flight 93.

    You cannot seek smoke in New York from 10,000ft at 150-167 miles range - nor can you possibly vector for the intercept of an aircraft descending at 3,200fpm down to below 200ft, when you are allegedly climbing UP to the altitude given to you in your scramble orders. So, the PEOC was damn sure not chattering about Flight 93.

    The shoot down order is MOOT. The question is: How the %$#@% did Cheney know about Flight 77?

    Get that through your head. Our nation's entire Republic is riding on our ability to grow some damn balls and solve this problem for the sake of our country. Those who committed the criminal acts of 911, need to stand trial for what they have done and right now, those criminals are basking in the sunlight of Iraqi Oil kickbacks and pleasure vacations, as they laugh aloud at each and every one of us for being so STUPID as to believe that Boeing 757 aircraft simply vanish into nothingness, merely because the Official Storytellers say so.

    Wake up! It is TIME for America to Wake Up!

    - Vanishing aircraft
    - Liquified aircraft
    - Eight mile long debris fields from 40-degrees nose down impacts
    - Engine cores that don't match
    - Engine cores showing RUST after mere hours of being buried
    - No major aircraft structural components from two types of commercial aircraft in America's largest Fleet
    - Penetration geometry that does not match the diameter of Boeing 757 aircraft
    - Flight performance that does not match the capabilities of Boeing 757 aircraft
    - Crash site geometry that does not match what's expected from Boeing 757 aircraft
    - Crash site physics that do not match what's expected from Boeing 757 aircraft
    - Zero fuel contamination on the ground in Shanksville
    - Angle of attack at impact in Flight 77 FDR that does not match angle of attack in Official Pentagon Video


    There are plenty of gaping holes (including the A/E Drive at the Pentagon) in the Official Story that nobody has provided an answer for which does not violate the laws of physics, chemistry or common sense.
     
  2. Primus Epic

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    Agreed. Anyone who can watch this compilation video of the footprint collapse of B7 and conclude anything be controlled demolition is not playing with a full deck or never had a full deck to begin with:

    [video=youtube;bWorDrTC0Qg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg[/video]


    Buildings of this size NOT undergoing controlled demolition topple. They don't neatly lay down and fold themselves inside their own build envelope.
     
  3. Primus Epic

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    I guess this is all you've got at this point. Just rolling on the floor, laughing yourself into an official story stupor of epic proportions. Well, I guess that's all you can do, if you don't want to awaken yourself from this 13 year nightmare.

    If all I had was the official story to fall back on, and I was too stuck in my Patriotic Validation Period, I guess I would simply laugh off the information put inside this thread, too. Just know that every word you type is glaringly obvious.
     
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    Here's a little true story. I was the one responsible for getting the Zogby Forum shut down sometime after 911. After being enraged that my country had "come under attack" on 911, I was glued to CNN and saw the second strike on the tower live. I then began channel surfing for more information. At some point, I remember the call out on the Pentagon by CNN. I then began watching this:

    [video=youtube;OHeYFTPG4KQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHeYFTPG4KQ[/video]

    When I watched Jamie Mcintyre, give that report after the Pentagon had been struck, I had an immediate gut reaction that something was wrong with the picture I was being shown and the story I was being told on TV. I could not put my finger on the problem, but everything I knew about commercial aircraft (the type that we saw hit in New York) did not align itself with what I was witnessing with my own eyes at the Pentagon. The damage to the Pentagon, made no sense for a commercial aircraft.

    The entire time, I was waiting for Jamie, to come back with a report of a missile strike on the Pentagon. The entire time, I kept asking myself, how on earth did anyone get a missile that close to the Pentagon and the White House. It simply made no sense and my brain could not keep up with what I was being told -vs- what I was seeing on the screen.

    There were several pilots in the immediate area where I was standing at the time, and we began looking at each other with perplexity on our faces. We were looking closely at the damage being shown by CNN at the Pentagon, and then shaking our heads at each other saying things like: "That does not look like commercial impact to me!" We were saying things like: "Where's the damn aircraft!" One of the pilots kept saying aloud at the television: "Show us the airplane! Show us the airplane!" Yet, in NONE of the CNN footage did we ever see what we all were expecting to see, the remains of a commercial aircraft impact into the side of a building.

    We then began examining what we could make out of the actual hole and we saw none. There was no initial hole in the side of the building that would accommodate a commercial airframe.

    Much later, I took to the forums and began to run into a type of forum member who would never listen to reason and would always jump to personal attacks whenever they could not answer a question put to them about 911, especially the Pentagon and Shanksville. They would always resort to name calling, personal insults, non-sequitur replies, LOLs and ROTFLMAOs until they were blue in the face. It was all about labeling people "Conspiracy Theorists" instead of actually answering the unanswered questions. This was 12 years ago and they are still doing the same thing today.

    Our government has special operations capability for cyber warfare. Please listen very carefully to what I am about to say next.

    BEFORE 911, about one year leading up to the event, I was flying and traveling a lot throughout the United States and Canada by air both as a pilot and as a commercial passenger. I was doing heavy travel in and around the DC complex area which includes Washington DC, Arlington, VA and Langley, VA. I saw a lot of travel in particular between KDFW (Dallas Ft. Worth), KATL (Atlanta), KDCA (Reagan National), KDEN (Denver International) and KORF (Norfolk International).

    In these airports I began noticing career advertisements by the CIA and the FBI, pop-up all of a sudden. I did not put two and two together back then, and this fact did not dawn on my until a couple years after I began my research into 911. I remember those ADs today. They actually used the words "Cyber Warfare." The ADs were seeking people with technology skill sets (which I had) and in particular, Internet Technology skill sets (which I had). That's what attracted me to the ADs, I had the skills sets they were seeking and more. They also used the words "Cyber Terrorism." The ADs played on the "patriotism" angles heavily and asserted the "duty," "honor," "country" themes as well.

    Flash forward to post-911 and my encounters with people who take such intolerably irrational positions, where the evidence or facts are clearly pointing away from an official story of the events, increased dramatically. I had an encounter with someone on the Zogby Forum who said that he was posting from Iraq. He said that he was part of a unit out of Fallujah, involved in cyber ops within the region. He went on about what I was doing was undermining his job and those of others "just like" him Fallujah, and other parts of Iraq.

    Whenever, I would post a question about the flight performance of the Boeing 757, in relation to what we knew at the time about the impact location being 77ft off the deck at the Pentagon, or questions about the total lack of a debris field that was commensurate with that expected to come from a Boeing 757, at Shanksville, he got exceedingly personal and would never address the questions directly - ever. His only reply was with personal insult an non-sequitur retorts that were completely off-topic - never on the facts and never on the merits of the questions being put forth.

    Then someone else joined the forum with a similar looking UID, then another and another would join in rapid succession. Some of their UIDs used components of phrases or themes that I recognized from the military. When I questioned them on those character sets, they began to get irate and call me "Anti-American." So, I laid down the gauntlet and suggested that we air out our laundry by posting our respective DD-214s with appropriate redaction where necessary. They then ganged up and threatened to "come get" me. I said, "make darn sure you bring it hard and fast, E-3."

    Essentially, we found out that one of the guys was indeed former military and lived in West Virginia. He was posting from his computer at home, not in Iraq. He was later arrested on battery charges relative to his wife. He then came back to the forum and threatened to kill people. He was then banned - banned again, and again, and again, and again. He came with at least 15 different UIDs over a period of time after his first arrest. He was then arrested second time. His cronies continued on, never once disowning him or his behavior - in fact, they praised him for it.

    Eventually, the guy from "Fallujah" was "re-deployed" back home to (get this) Fort Bragg. He said that he was now logging in from Fort Bragg and that everyone making "anti-American" comments about 911 was a "traitor" and deserved to be shot. He was banned. He came back made more threats and was banned again and again, and again - just like his friend from West Virgina.

    I've been doing battle online in cyberspace with these people for quite some time now. I am fully aware of who they are, why they exist and where they come from. Some were genuine federal cyber agents - no doubt. Others, were people who simply cannot get over the fact that their government would attack them. Others, were so blinded to the neoconservative agenda, that they could not bring themselves to fully accept that their party had been taken over by criminals. While others were fully on-board with the neoconservative agenda from day one.

    You are never going to change their minds. But, you can expose their lies and their weakness. After a lot of my demanding that they come forth with an official story that actually made sense and after many threats of violence from the official storytellers, the forum was shut down. Who shut it down and why it was not re-opened is a mystery to this day. However, Zogby, is not an unknown name in American Politics.

    The official story is just that - an official story. Its untied loose ends don't add up to a final conclusion that makes any sense, whatsoever. So, all they can do is name call, sling insults, change the topic or just run and hide like the guy on this forum who had over "100 answers" about 911, without one of them making any sense relative to the 911 Commission Report. How do we know? Because I got him to admit that he does not use the Commission Report to derive his findings, which by definition means that he's made up his own Official Story.

    In spite of all the weight behind the missing evidence that points to a different version of the events of September 11th, 2001, the official storytellers have gone to great lengths to string together that which is illogical, irrational and unbelievable - all because they are too heavily invested in the lies and deceit having been put forth over the past 13 years. For them to step forward now and admit error, is something simply too painful to even contemplate. Therefore, no matter what counter-evidence you put beneath their nose, they refuse to accept it for what it is and will always conclude to the contrary, no matter how irrational and implausible their conclusions turn out to be.
     
  5. Primus Epic

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    Those were real aircraft flown into real buildings. There is no mistake about that in my mind. In fact, what you see in the New York crash site geometry is strikingly what you do not see in the Pentagon crash site geometry. The aircraft attitude (nose and wings relative to the horizon) just before impact was similar enough at all three sites (according to flight data) to result in clearly observable damage consistent with Boeing 767 and Boeing 757 aircraft, caused by the wing structures. You see said damage in New York, but not at the Pentagon. The reasons given by NIST are less then compelling and for an engineer such as myself, down right frustrating.

    NIST turns physics upside down and on its head at the Pentagon with respect to observable impact damage. They seem to have forgotten energy transfer equation concepts and ideals, and they completely bastardized the work of Newton on force, acceleration, momentum and inertia. The NIST report reads like science fiction instead of science fact, and it was clearly (to those who should know better) geared and ginned up to support an already made decision.

    The key you want to pay attention to what Betty Ong, reported from Flight 11. The 911 Omission Report completely ignores what Betty, says, but if you listen carefully, she tells us what's happening on Flight 11. She told us all that gas was coming from the forward section of the aircraft and that nobody in first class could breathe and that people in business class were having difficulty breathing.

    Put that into perspective. If gas was being released into the aircraft from the cockpit, how long would it take to leak out into first class and then business class? Not long at all. Betty, also says that a throat was cut and that there was blood. She says, that she did not know who was up in the cockpit, but that nobody could get into the cockpit.

    The official story says nothing about gas being missed by airport security. It only states that box cutters were missed by the security screening process. The terrorists only had box cutters as weapons, not gas. So, what was Betty, allegedly inhaling? Why were people closest to the cockpit door, unable to breathe? What does breathing have to do with skyjacking?

    The only way any of this makes sense, is if you per-arrange and pre-position some kind of airborne chemical agent in the cockpit and trigger its release after departure. This takes out the flight crew. Why is that important? Because, if you are going to take over the aircraft remotely, then you don't want the crew fighting against your attempt to take it over. You need full authority over the flight control system, not someone pushing back on the yoke and throttles against you.

    These cockpit doors were closed and locked before departure. That's United and American protocol even before 911. I've flown with them enough in business class and first class upgrades to know. I also know that it was American protocol before 911, through direct experience and relationships with American pilots prior to 911.

    The Recirc system (air recirculation system) on-board the Boeing 757, is one that I am very familiar with - both as PIC and as passenger. When adding heat (engine or apu bleed air pressure system) or air to the recirc system on the ground, that air can be mixed with outside air at the same time. On the ground, this means that the system is pulling in air that contains a higher saturation level of spent jet fuel, as the aircraft is still on the ground. There are times as a passenger when you can smell the odor of Jet-A leaking into the cabin (if you know what spent Jet-A smells like) when this happens. At altitude you can still smell it, but only when the bleed air from the engine is being used - typically when the engine bleed system pressure is excessive. This should trigger the HI STAGE annunciator light on the BACP.

    I lot of people do not know what spent jet fuel smells like, but if you live anywhere downwind of the departure end of a runway servicing turbine powered aircraft, then you know what spent jet fuel smells like. Whether you are able to detect to faint odor in the cabin or not, is another story. I've worked around Jet-A, JP4, NATO spec JP5 and AVGAS nearly all my life - I know the odors when I smell them.

    The point is that if you wanted to inject a gaseous agent into the cockpit that was pre-fitted for such a purpose, you could do so and trigger its release remotely as well - or you could pre-arrange an ACP (Air Conditioning Pack) that supplies conditioned air to the flight deck shoulder heaters. The Boeing 757 (and 737) are divided into three (3) different temperature zones for the Flight Deck, Forward Cabin and Rear Cabin. On the 75, the flight deck gets its conditioned air through the left ACP, unless it is INOP, in which case the flight deck gets conditioned air input from the mixed manifold system. Flight crews also receive conditioned air input for foot heating as well. The 75, also has a forward equipment cooling system that supplies the avionics in the cockpit with cool air and prevents overheating.

    There are number of different staging points that I can think of for introducing gas into the flight deck. It is my opinion (I have strict statement of precise events) that both Flight 11 and Flight 175, were handled by way of injecting gas into the flight deck, taking out the crew first and then rapidly controlling the aircraft remotely to the point of impact in New York. That's WHY the Trade Centers were targeted. From a remote control operator's standpoint, they are easier targets to strike given their extreme height above ground at over 1,200ft. If you are operating a large scale Boeing airframe, you need the extra 1,000ft clearance as to make your handling the aircraft more effective remotely. Again, the remote control of Flight 11 and Flight 175, is just my opinion because nothing the official storytellers have put forth thus far, explains how they arrived inside both towers at nearly the same time and under such deft control.
     
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    Sorry sock,I don't believe anything you post
     
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    'Deft control'? :roll:
     
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    EpicFailure, at best that's humorous...considering the industry's inside trade mag, ImplosionWorld, say's you full of crap.

    http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC STUDY 8-06 w clarif as of 9-8-06 .pdf

    Don't give up that daytime mall security job just yet.
     
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    Your mentioning "ImplosionWorld" is simply yet another appeal to authority.
    do YOU understand the mechanisms at work here?
    what are the possibilities for a damaged building to react in exactly the
    manner demonstrated ( 2 X ) by the towers? There are all sorts of alternate scenarios.
    Why the complete & total destruction, unless somebody planned it to happen just like it did.?
     
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    And would you care to explain exactly what was found? this is the problem with paranoid conspiracy theorists....

    "The village of New Baltimore is a dozen or more miles by automobile but eight as the wind blows, which it was doing a year ago. Melanie Hankinson was at the church next to her home, transfixed before a television that showed the World Trade Center ablaze, when the man who sprays her lawn stopped by to tell her he was finding odd things in the weeds.

    "He said there was a loud bang and smoke and then these papers started blowing through your yard," she said. "I said, 'Oh.' Then I went back to the TV." Then the parish priest, the Rev. Allen Zeth, told her an airplane had crashed in Shanksville.

    For the next few hours, Hankinson gathered charred pages of in-flight magazines, papers from a pilot's manual -- she remembers a map showing the Guadalajara, Mexico, airport -- and copies of stock portfolio monthly earnings reports.

    "And there was some black webbing -- a lot of people found that," she said. The webbing, flexible where it hadn't burned, crisp where it had, was from insulation lining the belly of the jetliner."

    So please spare us the stupidity of trying to pass of papers as plane wreckage. Your dishonesty gets more staggering post by post.....
     
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    You don't understand anything I post - get the wording correct.
     
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    As if that would actually matter? It is between 7 to miles away from the crash site. There is not supposed to be anything found 7 to 8 miles away. Did that just slip right past the ooops filter before you posted it? Care to explain what was found - are you kidding me? :omg: 7-8 miles away and you want to know what was found? You should be asking yourself, HOW on earth was it possible that anything from Flight 93 could be found at such a distance.

    Heck, even 1 mile away is too far for debris to be found from Flight 93. Did you not even bother to look at the NTSB vouched for flight data allegedly taken from Flight 93? Did you not see the same data I saw? Did you not read the same analysis of that data that told you the pitch attitude of the aircraft just before impact? It was 40-degrees nose down before it plunged into the earth! How does anything from Flight 93 end up a single mile away - let alone 7-8 miles away!

    Please - stop with the nonsense. You ought to be ashamed at the level of questions you are asking. This was a low angle of attack crash site. Do you understand what that means for the debris field? Do you need to research what Low Angle of Attack crash sites yield in terms of debris fields? There is no way that anything should have ended up 1 mile away. 7-8 miles away is physically impossible. What heavier than air objects and/or material from Flight 93 could have possibly remained airborne for 1-8 miles - over a Mountain Ridge? FBI Agents carting off debris? That's the job of the NTSB, not the FBI!

    Come on man - wake up! Debris of Various Kinds from Flight 93 found 1-8 miles Away From Shanksville Crash Site.
     
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    Just plain ole deaf (D & B) in your case. :roll:
     
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    Who says? You? LOL

    Claim: "Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains," states a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article dated Sept. 13, 2001. "Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly 6 miles from the immediate crash scene." Commenting on reports that Indian Lake residents collected debris, Think AndAsk.com speculates: "On Sept. 10, 2001, a strong cold front pushed through the area, and behind it—winds blew northerly. Since Flight 93 crashed west-southwest of Indian Lake, it was impossible for debris to fly perpendicular to wind direction. ... The FBI lied." And the significance of widespread debris? Theorists claim the plane was breaking up before it crashed. TheForbiddenKnowledge.com states bluntly: "Without a doubt, Flight 93 was shot down."
    [​IMG]

    FACT: Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater—not 6 miles—easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest—toward Indian Lake.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-flight-93
     
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    Reply to Brent Blanchard (Protec) by Jim Hoffman.

    Checkmate again.

    Better start doing better homework before tossing around third-hand unofficial personal opinion off as high caliber consulting - which was never put in place by anyone involved in sewing together the 911 Omission Report or the MIST (fog) Report.

    And, while you are at it - try replying to something specific to the thread topic, if you dare.
     
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    You might try the NTSB for flight 93 instead of relying on other conspiracy theorists for information.
     
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    Popular Mechanics? Are you serious?

    New Baltimore is 7-8 miles from Shanksville. You can continue to ignore the Google Earth pic all you want, it won't change the map. FACT: You cannot use a quote from a man who was placed directly into the back-pocket of the FBI for the word "go," and consider your post as having credibility. FACT: The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article dated Sept. 13, 2001, has unnamed witnesses who have never gone on record ANYWHERE other than in the dreams of those at Popular Mechanics, which is no better in producing science fiction than National Geographic, who concluded that a Boeing 757 essentially "disintegrated" inside the Pentagon, which violates the known process for chemical sublimation, which is precisely what it theorizes.

    If you are going to post FACTS, try posting facts from the official 911 Omission Report. Or, don't you trust that report? Oh, wait a minute - are you one of those official storytellers who refuse to use the 911 Omission Report in favor of drawing your "own conclusions?"

    Hmmmm. I wonder why.

    7-8 miles away cannot be accounted for by a 9 mile an hour wind. That's silly and anybody who fails to see why needs their head examined. Furthermore, the debris found in New Baltimore, was not merely paper. Even so, you can't get paper to fly in the air for 7-8 miles with a 9 mile an hour wind - even if you accept the 9 mile an hour wind theory.

    Here is an non-government employee telling her story as she saw it on September 11th, 2001:
    [video=youtube;j6hLD8hcfvw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6hLD8hcfvw[/video]

    That's a credible witness, not a Popular Mechanics reprint of a third-party statement from a witness who never went on record anywhere else on planet earth.
     
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    Such a brain dead reply. It is like you either don't, can't or refuse to read what you are replying to. This was in response to the Brent Blanchard "expert" analysis from inside the building demolition industry. It clearly points out the problems with Brent's analysis and checks his bias for what it was when he produced that report. You don't like the fact that it clearly counters and neutralizes Brent. Well, don't put up stuff that's easily neutralized and you won't have that problem.

    If I were you, I'd stick to the 911 Omission Report. Oh, that's right, darn. You don't believe in the 911 Omission Report, do you?
     
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    If 'truthers' spent as much energy studying real science as they did propagating conspiracy theories online, their lives might not suck so much that they think there are people out to get them.
     
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    In one way or another, there are people out to get us. Like in the last week, I've been getting those one-ring telephone scam calls where whoever is behind it preys on people's curiosity.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Conspiracy theorists? Are you serious?

    Really, you need to get out of the basement once and awhile and breath some fresh air.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, you should actually look at the evidence and listen to the experts instead of your conspiracy theorists. The NTSB is responsible for investigating these things and if you know anything about the NTSB, which I doubt you do, you would know that they know what they are talking about much better than some internet sleuth.
     
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    I'n most case I would agree with your "appeal to authority" claim, HOWEVER, the people who know what a controlled demolition looks, sound, acts and displays like, have published an article that debunkes the nutters claims of controlled demolition, THEREFORE, it is not an "appeal to authority".

    Please learn to when to invoke a logical fallacies claim.

    The chances of what happened, happening the way we saw it are 2:2

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    If I were you, I'd stick to crayons and child-safe glue.
     
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    If Official Storytellers would spend more time debunking the science they don't understand, they would not miss the mark so often about people they don't understand and the real engineering and science they create from from a blank canvas that guarantees a lifestyle that fits comfortably in the top 1% and therefore cannot possibly "suck":

    This:
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    Generates this:
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    All produced through rigorous scientific research, development, engineering, testing and optimization. Who did you think you were dialoguing with? Some kid eating hot pockets sitting behind a computer screen without a clue? Research, engineering, development and flying is what I do. What do you do?

    What qualifies you to argue an opinion for the vectoring of an F-15 out of Otis, 167 miles away, to an "altitude" and "heading" for an intercept of a target that ATC and NEADS knows full well is descending at a rate of 3,200fpm from FL290 and where over the next 9 minutes is expected to be at an altitude of 200ft AGL? Here's a better question. Why on earth do you vector an F-15 for the intercept of a track that you know full well won't be at the "altitude" you embed with scramble orders?

    Are you even remotely awake on this subject? Do you understand the implications of the alleged "scramble orders" out of Otis and what it cannot possibly mean for Flight 11? Have you read the posted Flight Data and Time-Line Analysis for Flight 11 in this thread? Have you bothered to look at position "G" in the exhibit. Do you understand what a 3,200fpm RoD for a Boeing 767-223ER means relative to an intercepting F-15 bearing in-bound WHILE climbing to a vectored "altitude" as stipulated by Lt. Colonel Dan Nash, MANG?

    Here it is again:
    [video=youtube;j7lAJN1rmHk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7lAJN1rmHk[/video]

    At 3:20, he tells you the major problem with the scramble order. He told you that they were given both an "altitude" and a "heading" to fly. He later tells you that they indeed flew that "altitude" and that "heading." Meanwhile, BEFORE this scramble order was given, ATC was already tracking Flight 11, has having a southeastern heading WHILE in a "rapid descent" from FL290 at 3,200fpm. This information was KNOWN by ATC and NEADS a full 9 minutes BEFORE impact. Otis was scrambled at 0846 to an "altitude" and "heading" for the intercept of Flight 93.

    How on earth can you be scrambled to an "altitude" that you know darn well no longer exists as that which the target maintains?

    Who are you Official Storytellers kidding? Do you think the only people who know what the Klaxon sounds like when it goes off, is the pilot in that one video? There are other people in this world very familiar with the sound of the Klaxon and the initial "lag" of the LN-94, and who can therefore see through the Official Bull being splattered all over the American People for the past 13 years.
     
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    Fortunately, there's an "AP" for that too. Of course, you have to develop it, root your phone and then track-back to the actual number that generated the call (without them knowing it, of course). Let the calls continue to come (000-000-0000) and you will have a pretty good database of traceable links to have fun with "later" for "other" purposes.

    One thing about Technology. It is open to anyone willing to learn it. ;)

    LS980SVC Mode 1-5 (my code - my work product): That takes care of just about everything in-bound on my phone.
     

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