How do we speed up the politically irrelevancy of the far right ?

Taxes for example. Rich people hire lobbyists who persuade rich politicians to create tax loop holes. Romney made millions in interest salary in 2012 and paid 13% while the rest of us serfs paid 28% on the little we made.

 

I would love a citation that isn't from a loony conspiracy site, which gives any indication that Obama is "corrupt". Further, he got to the "top" of the political "cog", odd metaphor considering cogs are circular, by being a bipartisan state senator and a dedicated public servant to the areas he was elected to serve.

 

Well who do we have to blame for that? We vote for these people. Look at JOhn Jerry, he tried to avoid .5 Mill in MA excise tax and the left applaud him even though he's the very example you despise. If youre going to call out Rich people at least start naming names: Ill start:
#1 corrupt Rich person is Obama
John Kerry
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Mitt Romney
Who else is on your list?

 

I proudly voted for Obama twice, but no politician is 100% clean.

 

You didn't pay 28%. Not even close. The average American taxpayer in the middle class pays around 9% after all deductions are taken and refunds are given. The poor pay less than this and often times get back more than they paid in.

 

you've gotta love it. the malcontents, the puling children and the "change for the sake of change" folks, all whining about the boogey man. they want high speed rail, a massive and inefficient boondoggle designed to move drones from one hive to the next. they want abortion on demand, the wholesale slaughter of innocents for the sake of recreation without responsibility. they want gay marriage, the redefining of a centuries old institution so that those engaged in a deviant lifestyle can feel a little better about themselves. most importantly they want access to other people's stuff and the ability to force others to hide their beliefs. and of course they want to use the violent force of government to give them all these things.

all they need to get all this neat stuff is for those who still have some belief in personal responsibility to simply go away. they use the label "far right" to disguise what they are really railing against. it is a label that conjures up images of swastikas and brown shirted, goose-stepping goons, something they can neatly package for mass consumption. we are all supposed to forget that what they are really attempting to demolish is conservatism, the notion that we should all accept responsibility for our actions, that the rights of the individual are not constrained by the whims of the masses and that government's only true function should be to protect those rights and to enforce those responsibilities.

 

Well, I'm one of these older Right Wing Republicans that you would love to see die out or lose any influence we have with government. Yes, you on the Left have all these grand ideas of what we need to do and I'm not saying they're are all wrong, but you guys never take into consideration, can we afford it. Your like children and want everything and could care less if your parents have the money to pay for it. You wouldn't run your home finances like you want the government to run theirs. We are already wasting over 20% on just interest on our debt. Billions that could be used to fund some of the things you want, but can't because we have to pay all this interest out.

As for trying to compete with the rest of the industrial world, your trying your best to bring us down to a third world status with millions of low educated illegals that most will not make enough to be over the government guide lines and will quality for all kinds of tax grabbing social services and tax refunds. How does that help us compete?

You have this grand idea that we should have open borders and let in one and all. Sucked in by the liars in this government that tell you how much better our economy will be with them here opening businesses and paying taxes. What they fail to tell you is a country can only let in as many as the country can support and these low educated people will use up more tax dollars than they will ever bring in. Europe tried it and now Europe wants to close their borders. Can't we learn anything from them? Obviously not Liberals.

We need high speed rail, but it's very, very expensive. Where is the money going to come from to finance it? Off that money tree you think Washington has in their back yard?

We are 11 trillion dollars in debt now. We can't afford what we have now. Veterans are dying because of lack of money. Hospital Emergency rooms are going belly up because government isn't reimbursing them. We let over 40,000 illegal criminals out on the American public because we can't afford to keep them lock up or deport them, but you Libs keep finding more and more to fund with no money to do it and you think us old people are stupid?

 

Taxcutter asks:
Are you claiming that I got my money through nefarious means?

 

Taxcutter says:
Even 'Establishment' Republicans are small beer about expanding government and executive power when compared to Hussein Obama.

ObamaTax and Dodd-Frank dwarf the Iraq War.

 

The tea party is the death knell of American Conservativism. It is the direct result of 40 years of adherence to the "southern strategy", which the GOP still can't kick. Their rampant xenophobia, and inability to prevent their elected officials from alienating minority groups, will continue to be the death of the party.

The oppose all endeavors undertaken by the government, save for their xenophobic wars. The GOP and the Tea Party campaign on the fact that government is ineffective, and inefficient, then they behave in an obstructionist manner to ensure that prophesy is fulfilled, then they get angry at how inefficient government can be. Because they made it that way. It is a particularly circular logic, which informed Americans are all to privy of. To the chagrin of the GOP and their Tea Party offshoot.

We all think emotionally about those issues, as they are exceedingly important. I am also tired of old, ignorant men telling me I don't know anything because I'm "only 30", though I have an MBA with a focus on economic development.

Cupp is only "desirable" due to her looks. Her politics are backwards, ignorant and ill-informed. She is a shill for right-wing propaganda.

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/01/s...on-economics-gets-schooled-by-real-economist/

Only because they gerrymandered their districts. Though you are correct, they still hold power, despite being the dying party of white bigotry.

By "the rest of the world" I assume you mean Europe. Because the vast majority of the world suffers under totalitarian rule far worse than us. Though we are fast becoming a totalitarian oligarchy.

Discourse. Every single time a right-wing radical pops off some hate rhetoric, they alienate open-minded centrists and moralists. This is why the GOP has been on such a randian kick lately. Rand believed in a pure selfishness. Selfish people don't care about oppressive majorities, so long as the selfish individual is a member of said majority.

Political upheaval is frustrating and at times seems as if it is an unmoving quagmire.

But I urge you to watch some media from 1998, and see how far we've come since then. The dialogue is happening as we speak. Conservativism, at least using the "southern strategy" of creating a strawman to unite the xenophobes, is failing. They tried to rally against the gays, but there are too many gays in conservative families so the GOP seems bigoted and cruel.

Anyone who has a gay person they love, understands that struggle well enough to scoff at rhetoric from people like Ghomert and Limbaugh.

 

First of all, I think that you either have me confused with someone else, or are just making some assumptions. But, lets take a look.

1. I have never commented on whether gay people are born that way or choose to be that way. Simply because I have no idea and couldn't care less.
2. That is your opinion and 80% of the Country disagrees with you. Why do you even care if some people are religous? Why do you feel the need to tell others what is meaningful and what is not?
3. For profit healthcare has been tremendous for me, my family, and tons and tons of friends and associates of mine. Some simply amazing results to very scary medical issues. For profit healthcare has created the best doctors and hospitals on planet earth. We don't need a few elitist politicians creating a "system" for the rest of us to live under. Individuals, pursuing their own self interest creates the best systems for the most people.
4. Explain. Are you saying that there are more abortions performed to save a mothers life than are performed for unwanted pregnancies? Either way, I have never objected to abortions to save the mother, or for a variety of other reasons. I would fight to end them as a form of birth control though.
5. I don't fail to realize that. National Security and Defense are good examples but there are more. Do you understand that there are things that the Gov't can't fix? Or that there are things the Gov't should not try to fix?
6. Some are, some are not. I've never commented otherwise.

 

And you claim Liberals are frightened of the boogyman? Right now, people are spending their personal savings buying fossil fuels so the "drones" as you call them, can get to work. God forbid you have a job.

Simple explanations are reserved for simple minds. We want abortion available for any woman who needs it. We don't encourage abortion, we just want it safe and accessible so women don't die from back alley abortions like they did before it was legal. Republicans know very stupid, conservitive and frightened parents will breed stupid, conservative, frightened children.

This, coupled with their insistence on religious conformity and their defunding of public schools is a plan to engineer large numbers of willing, uninformed conservative voters. It's the same way the Catholic church propagated and patently obvious to anyone with a modicum of historical perspective.

Right wingers don't own marriage, as it predates written history and any religious belief system. They redefined the term when this debate began, in order to attempt to exclude those they deem "deviants" much like they did with interracial marriages, which were considered deviant 40 years ago. This is a natural progression from that same xenophobia and fear based hate.

If you can show a single instance of a Liberal forcing people to give up their faith. if you can show one example of a liberal preventing a worship service, I will give you this point. As you cannot show this, you are lying.

Conservatives, on the other hand, want to take other nations' "stuff" by spending 4 trillion on an illegal war for their former oil company employers. All the while taxing the working class while giving the oligarchs tax loopholes and tax breaks.

Conservatives also want to force their religious beliefs on children in schools, and on people anywhere they can. Hence their unending attempts to put their religion in

Again, a complete cognitive dissonance for the entire decade the Bush administration was in power. Please show me one instance of the government using violence against Christians since Obama took office.

You have built an unstable strawman to hate. It's pitiful.

You are the far-right. Ill informed, ignorant, biased against an entire sect of society, xenophobic.

Fascism is a far-right philosophy which pits one sect of society against another. Sort of how the GOP tries to pit the radical religious base against gay people.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...ion-gay-gulags-reeducation-camps-and-hiv-cure

That's a cute little delusion you live under. That is NOT what conservatism is.

"Conservatism as a political and social philosophy promotes retaining traditional social institutions. A person who follows the philosophies of conservatism is referred to as a traditionalist or conservative. Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others, called reactionaries, oppose modernism and seek a return to "the way things were""

It has nothing to do with personal responsibility. Both parties are in favor of that. Conservatives were in support of minorities rights being constrained by the whims of the masses prior to the civil rights era.

The right wing is in favor of constricting the rights of gay people based on the whims of their dwindling former majority. Conservativism has nothing to do with small government, but rather "traditional" government, which is not small at all.

You're entire post is a contradiction of the very political philosophies you claim to support.

 

If that was the only thing the far right cared about, you have a point.

Here's a clue: I'm a leftist and I support ending wealth redistribution schemes.

 

How do we speed up the politically irrelevancy of the far right ?

Just let them keep taking and sticking their foot in their mouths, they are really good at it. The more the People see of the true far right agenda the less likely they will be tricked in voting for someone that could not care less about them as citizens or the state of the Nation.

 

Probably the same way that you would for the politically irrelevancy of the far left.

 

Typical leftist hyperbole. It's always 'feelings' with you people. How about you pick up a book, take off the rose-tinted glasses and actually learn how the world works.

 

It is great that you have acquired your MBA. At age 30 you have now been an adult a little over ten years. I am sure when you look back at yourself at age 20, you can marvel and be proud of how your overall wisdom has grown and evolved, and you probably even giggle just a bit at how you thought you had it all figured out at age 20. With ten more years under your belt, you have had some life experience, and your perspective on the world has changed accordingly. If a 20 year old were to speak condescendingly to you on a subject in which they lack the perspective to fully understand, you would likely, and rightfully so, have a tendency to minimize the importance of their opinion.

With that being said, in another ten years, you will have doubled the amount of time that you have been an adult, and your perspective will once again have broadened greatly from your perspective at this very moment. You will still giggle just a bit when reflecting on your know it all 20 year old " Im in college" self, but the difference being that age 40, you will ALSO giggle at your know it all 30 year old " I have an MBA" self. While all individuals vary greatly in their overall intelligence and reasoning ability, it is a universal truth that with your personal intelligence and reasoning, as you age, your wisdom and perspective will evolve into a more informed opinion.

 

You and undertheice are the exact same coin just different sides of it. Both radical, both painting the entire other side with one brush, and both out of touch with the normal voter. Here is a news flash almost all of us are moderates that agree with a little of both sides. We just just to identify with the side that supports a majority of our core beliefs.

 

Taxcutter says:
Cut the bureaucracy, cut the spending and cut the taxes and you've mostly mollified me.

 

Says a britt with no frame of reference for how the American economic system functions. Stay in your element. We rebelled from you so we don't have to take your poor advice anymore.

 

Very true. I was a conservative then.

I do not minimize opinions. I will explain patiently where the errors are present in misinformed opinions, but I remember very well the way I have been and continue to be treated by the aging blue-haired businessmen I work with. This has allowed me to curtail what would likely have become arrogance, into a calm confidence of the materials I discuss.

At 40, I will still have an MBA, possibly even a doctorate in governmental fiscal policy. And I will likely giggle at the kind of music I listen to and the TV I enjoy, but my social perspective and economic knowledge lacked foundation when I was 20. That is not so today. I have, for the past six years, worked in economic development in my home town. I'm a VP at the Chamber of Commerce, where we have contributed to over 1.5 billion in economic growth for our region. No, I will not tell you what region as we are one of two chambers and it would be very easy to figure out who I am.

That being said. This work has allowed me a perspective most do not share. It has also contributed to my leftward movement on the political spectrum.

This, coupled with a robust knowledge of religious history, due to my Jesuit education, and a keen perspective of western and Asian history, provides me with knowledge of America's political hypocrisy, which many do not know of or choose not to acknowledge.

Perhaps when I am 40, I will be more of a pessimist and more egocentric, but I hope I retain my optimism and idealism. Time will tell.

Very true. Though my enlightenment to the left was fueled as much by societal factors as it was by my voracious appetite for education.

 

Actually, says the BRIT who has lived in America for a year and vacations there regularly. I don't claim to be an expert in American politics, but I know just enough to call out typical leftist buzzwords, hyperbole and ignorance.

How about, YOU stay in YOUR element? Sit down, before you make a fool out of yourself.

Here in Europe, the right wing is experiencing a revival, and I couldn't be happier. The leftist ideology is heading in the direction it deserves to go; into the dust bin of history. Enjoy your out-dated ideological nonsense.

 

The fact that you can't call him Barack, or President Obama speaks to your willful bias, which is based on your distaste for the name Hussein, which wouldn't be motivated by religious intolerance right?

Anyway, that little gem of a subtle revelation notwithstanding, your comment is factually inaccurate.

Obamatax, which isn't a thing, would likely be a reference to the Administrations tax proposal, which has not been implemented yet, so it couldn't possible "dwarf" the cost of the Iraq war.

So you're either making something up, or misinterpreting reality.

Or perhaps you're trying to tie in the proposed tax bill with the ACA? If so, you should choose your rhetoric buzzwords more carefully.

The cost of the ACA on the taxpayer is difficult to determine, but it will be far from 4 trillion dollars, which at last tally was the cost of the Iraq war.

'Study puts total price tag for Iraq, Afghanistan wars at more than $4 trillion. The final cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will be between $4 and $6 trillion — and most of those costs have yet to be paid, according to a new study out of Harvard University."

Dodd-Frank has been gutted about 12 times by legislators in the pocket of the financial industries. The bill was originally sound, now there are so many workarounds it is ultimately a useless slip of paper. Wallstreet and financial brokers are doing exactly what they were doing prior to the law's implimintation.

Here are some pieces of legislation they have used to take power from the Dodd-Frank Act. (which BTW, costs a paltry 38 billion a year, which is less than 4 percent of the cost per yer of the Iraq war. The wars are the most costly thing our nation has done (aside from the Bush Administration's TARP bailout) since Vietnam.

 

1. Move to Europe
2. Leave the rest of us alone
3. Problem solved

See how easy that is?

Do you understand how much of a jerk you are when you have so many other places you can live that are more to your liking but you choose instead to remain in a place you hate and (*)(*)(*)(*) it up for the people who like it and have nowhere else to go?