Part 18 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

humans share a common ancestor with the apes.

 

Who or what was that ancestor?

 

look, an eagle!

 

Avoiding the question again, I see.

 

It's true, the human-chimpanzee common ancestor hasn't yet been discovered, but we've found so many links on the chain between humans and apes that it would be almost impossible for humans and apes to not be linked.

 

Well I do appreciate the admission of no final determination, however, with there being no final determination, don't you think it a bit premature for people to go around advocating something that has not reached that final determination? To me, that almost seems like a 'leap of faith'. OMG... advocates of science leaning on 'faith'.... like wow.

 

It's more like an inference based on factual knowledge. It's less of a leap of faith than disregarding all the evidence because of one missing piece of evidence.

 

Why do Christians insist that must always answer their prayer with a yes and completely ignore that god sometimes says no?

 

There is no proof that humans evolved from some ape-like creature. None of the collection of bones shows evolution. They simply show various differences in the same creature. If we are related to any of them it was by way of cross breeding with a higher human creature .....such as visitors from another planet. There are many myths/folk tales to this affect thru out the world. Even the bible says "Let us make man in OUR image." That was ET speaking. Religion twisted all the old folk tales into something that it was Not. All the first chapters of the bible were The Enuma Elish rewritten.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm

 

I suppose you meant Thomas rather than Judas, but never mind, I get the gist. That’s an interpretation that many Christians hold today and I’ve got to say that I quite like it in many ways.

Nonetheless it ought to be noticed that the most early Christians did not quite share this interpretation yet. The letters of Paul make it rather clear that they expected the second coming – which they still connected with a very 1th century Jewish apocalyptic expectation - to be imminent. And after a while – as Peter 2:8 indicates – they began to reassess their expectations.

I deem it very likely that he was speaking about the generation he was talking to at the time. It was his disciples, who would “not taste death”. One can of course see this verse in the sense that Jesus addresses the whole of Christianity and include yourself and your grand-grand-grandchildren in the intended audience. But I don’t think that is what the author of Matthew meant to convey in this case.

I suppose you mean "apocalyptic". If so: Yes, but not quite in the sense that we commonly understand 'apocalyptic' today. Notice the particulars of 1th century Jewish apocalyptic thought that reverberate in many NT-texts: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/explanation/jews.html

I agree that it could mean that. But that would somehow contradict your first given interpretation in which you see the “Son of Man coming in his kingdom” in the risen Christ whose wounds are examined by Thomas. That was 2000 years ago rather than 50.000 years from now.

Sorry Incorporeal, I don’t even know what you were discussing and what possible point you were making. I just butted in without reading all of the previous discussion. It’s just that I often can’t resist quoting scripture when a verse springs to mind.

But personally I don’t see the slightest problem in acknowledging that Jesus and his disciples expected the Kingdom of God to come soon, meaning in 1th century Judaea. Our Christian belief, which is also informed by the gospel of John (in which much of the above-mentioned reassessment had already taken place), tells us that Jesus was the “Word (that) became flesh and made his dwelling among us”. (John 1:14). I believe that in the incarnation God took it upon Himself to become wholly human, capable of our fear, suffering and feeling God-forsaken. The Father is all-knowing, but the 1th century man Jesus – by his own admittance as recorded in Matthew - was not.

 

This is correct. The only thing evolutionist have going for them
is extrapolation and artistic renderings and that's not very much.

When are the tough questions going to begin? I've not seen any.

 

He said he'd like a god that can be surprised. An omniscient god would know everything and therefore can not be surprised. duh.

 

One missing piece? Says who? You or those that have seduced your capacity of thinking for yourself?

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What he would like to have is not what is. Would you also like your teddy bear to comfort you?

 

You've been making a lot of ASSumptions of late. You have no idea what his god is or powers his god has. He did say his god would like surprises.

 

Quoting you "He said he'd like a god that can be surprised." Which states that the one that he does have is not one that can be surprised or one that likes surprises... meaning that the one he has is still Omnipotent. Truly your ASSumptions are notorious.

 

Then you should stop lying that the God particle is not the God particle.
Cavemen are humans not apes. And I answered humans evolved from human kind and I will add modern humans evolved from Adam and Eve.
So your turn I am waiting as well for your answer from did your ancestors evolved from the cavemen or apes?

 

Why isn't it clear enough for you cavemen are humans, Adam and Eve are humans. So stop avoiding and answer did your ancestors evolved from apes or cavemen? And please no flip flopping of words cavemen or apes?

 

Who rest of you? The only insults, contradiction and sarcasm has been coming from your group. The OP quotes you because you ignored the answers and you get irritated just like now because you can't handle the truth.
The God-particle is the proof for those scientist that God exist for you and other atheist they don't like that anything to do with God they don't like even beyond reasonable doubt.

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Good! finally you agree that humans are not apes and did not evolved from apes.
http://humanorigins.si.edu/resources/intro-human-evolution

 

And I agree totally with you that humans did not evolved from apes. Monkeys and apes do not possess the kind of intelligence that human has that is why they can not use or expand any form of tools such as hand saw, drills, swords, screw driver, etc.. The Bible is the clue the answer to human evolution why humans are different from all living creatures take away the human soul and humans will be the weakest primate or mammal and will become just another specie of ape or monkey that we won't be here discussing about any of this.

 

Why do Christians insist that god must always answer their prayer with a yes and completely ignore that god sometimes says no?

 

Reminds me of this Onion article
http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-answers-prayers-of-paralyzed-little-boy,475/

 

Nope, did not.

Nope. I said;

I imagine that your logic would dictate something else and, if you articulate it it is merely your own personal logic and not that of God.

I would imagine he is but, then again I don't speak for Him or his believers, rather myself logically if I were God. On the other hand, if He is, who is to say he can't turn it on and off at will, He created man and then killed his creation in a flood so obviously is not playing omniscient all the time so your guess is as good as the next guy's.

 

So one says we didn't evolve at all, one says we evolved from cavemen, then changed it to say we evolved from adam and eve, now we evolved from aliens, but one thing the religious are sure of we didn't evolve in the same manner as every single other creature on the planet.

 

Please tell us what the HIggs Boson particle is wanren. I gotta hear this.
I never said cavemen are apes you keep making that strawman over and over. YOU SAID we evolved from cavemen. I will ask again WHICH ONES?
WHICH CAVEMEN DID WE EVOLVE FROM?
So after being caught in your contradiction you say humans evolved from cavemen but cant state which ones, then say Modern Humans evolved from adam and eve. Its a joke. Since you require fossil evidence of evolution, where is your fossil evidence of adam and eve?
For the last time, I never said we evolved from apes. You have been repeatedly told over and over and over again that apes and man evolved from common ancestors and branched off like every other single life form on planet earth.

 

Which cavemen WANREN? You do know there were different cavemen right? Or is it possible an adult out there was not taught this. Answer or you have lost your argument.