Really? I had it around the other way. His policy is undeniably pro-establishment and nothing like what he advocated in the 2008 election - but he's got quite a little following politically. Just because he's divisive doesn't mean he's not politically savvy. At least over here; nobody knows any of his policies. They just know that he's on the View every now and then, has a rockstar family, and wants to reign in those silly Americans with their gun freedom and non-universal healthcare system. That's the extent of their knowledge - if that.
Ahhh libs, so entertaining. Yes we were talking about Clinton and his wondrous economy. The housing bubble only burst in 2007. It began in 1997 and got completely fired up in 2001. I know I saw people living it and was paying attention at that time. Buying a 500k house when they made 35k a year. Face it, your beloved Clinton was responsible not bush. Bush took over the Clinton mess and made it worse but Clinton is not off the hook. Obama took over that mess and turned it into a living hell. Also the nail bomb bit as you call it isn't a bit. Its a historical fact and is why all you could say about it is absolutely nothing. You support a guy that is friends with a guy that built bombs with nails, detonated them hoping to make a political statement knowing full well children and other innocent people could be killed. If you aren't going to respond to that then don't respond at all. Cherry pick somewhere else.
I was responding to this: "Anybody who picks a 20th or 21st Century President, doesn't know his rear end from a hole in the ground". I know that I am no expert in presidential idiots, however I certainly know my rear end from a hole in the ground. Just pointing out that I am educated (BA 2012, MBA 2014) so as to not assume what my PF name may imply.
A lot of people thought President Carter would hold the title for a long time and the amazing leftists came up with an even worse president in Carter's lifetime. It makes you wonder what the future holds.
Please expound on how Obama turned the Bush mess into a living hell. As I understand it is almost universally accepted that Obama inherited a banking/ economic system on the edge of catastrophic collapse. If you think back one of the first moves was to raise the dollar level of government insurance on bank accounts to prevent a run on the banks. This was even expanded to include money market accounts at investment firms. Doesn't get more scary then this. And by the way it worked.
My favorite was Harry Truman. A good and humble man, and not one to put up with crooked nonsense. Bill Clinton was a good President, but a shabby man. He'll go down in history as a lovable rascal.
There's a big difference between not loving a politician and the sort of rabid, foaming at the mouth hatred that's been directed at Obama since the day he was elected. These folks automatically oppose everything Obama does just because it's him doing it. I still can't quite make myself believe that fixing roads and bridges has been turned into near tyranny. If you can suggest a reason for this other then simple racism, please share. And keep in mind this all started before Obama took office, so you can't say that anything he's done as President is the original source. There haven't been any real huge shifts in US foreign policy since WWII, and that's actually a good thing. Would you really have wanted the US switching sides in the Cold War every time a new President came into office? The broad strokes are determined by (hopefully) enlightened self interest and a commitment to peace and prosperity. Those things really aren't controversial, and I certainly hope they never become a political football. That would be extremely bad. And I'm certainly not saying that I think Obama's foreign policy has been perfect by any means. He's made some serious mistakes: the whole red line statement about Syria was just dumb and he should have known better. But any president who can put "He kept us out of war," in their epithet deserves some credit. Bush Jr was reckless and unpredictable, it'd be hard not to be an improvement on him. As for Tyler, I'm not so sure that annexing Texas should be considered something to put on the good side of the scales. And Polk was a war criminal by today's standards. The political side of the job does not mean doing fundraising for your party. It means things like explaining your policies in a way that people will understand. It means convincing Congress to be at least minimally cooperative. And sometimes it means twisting arms and backroom dealings to get the votes you need. It means showing the voters that things we really need to get done are not about politics. That sort of thing. And Obama is just plain bad at it. Remember Bill Clinton being the "Explainer in Chief" at the 2012 convention? That's what Obama was supposed to have been doing for four years - that's his [/i]job.[/i] Bush was President in 2001, not Clinton, remember? Yes, Clinton made some mistakes, but by your own timeline it didn't become apparent they were mistakes that needed fixing until after he left office. And the housing bubble burst in 2007 while Obama only took office in 2009. Do you think Obama has a time machine or something? How exactly do you think Obama made things "A living hell"? About the nail bombs, no, I simply see no reason to go to the trouble of running down yet another bats*** crazy conspiracy theory from some right wing nutjobs. Obama wasn't born in Kenya, he's not a muslim, he's not using the CIA mind control rays to win elections, and he's not a reptilian alien in disguise. If you really want a response on this subject, fine. My response is this: >>>MOD EDIT Flamebait Removed<<< Holy changing the subject, Batman! What in the world does the debt have to do with the housing bubble and Obama supposedly turning it into a living hell?
That doesn't answer the question of how Obama turned the Bush mess into a living hell. A living hell would have been if Obama hadn't spent the money to save the Unites States banking/ economic system. I still want you to explain why you think we are in a living hell and how you think Obama created it.
I think we are starting to see less and less people with the wisdom and sense to be an effective president. The education system at all levels has been declining for several decades now. It's only a matter of time before those declining standards and results bit us in the a**.
I'd say your pre-college days of running a plumbing business makes you more of an expert on U.S. presidents than your teaching degree.
Umm wrong when Clinton was in office we knew the housing bubble would burst and it did. Clinton also had the opportunity to get Osama and he didn't. He dropped the ball. So we can also assume Clinton played a part in allowing 9/11 to come to fruition. Im sure you remember the WTC 1993 attack right? Who was President then? Also, nice strawman. At no point did I write anything about Obama being born in Kenya. We were talking about his relationship with a bona fide nail bomb terrorist which is a stone cold fact. You have still yet to respond because you cant justify it. Fact got your tongue? Changing the subject? Lol you ask how Obama turned it in a living hell, I ask you what the debt is and you say "Changing the subject"? You say this because you know what the answer is and it is horrific. So far you are dodging facts about the debt and his nail bombing America attacking chum. Hes a cancer on our nation. Answer what the debt is and respond to his relationship with Bill Ayers or please stop responding. Also please read the forum rules about personal attacks.
It doesn't? Im sure it doesn't to leftists. Im not surprised you refuse to type the number out. I wouldn't either if I were trying to defend Obama. I mean how could you defend him after typing the number out yourself.
Kind of laughable that the only President shamelessly booted out of office for corruption (so far) is Nixon and he has no votes as of this writing.
At 11:23 PM EDT 9 Aug 2014, the debt is $17,648,886,700,000. So what? What does that have to do with anything? How does that turn the housing bubble into a "living hell"? How are the two connected at all? So, oh great prophet, if you knew with certainty what was going to happen with the housing bubble back in the 1990's, why didn't you say anything? Surely someone with such awe inspiring clairvoyance would use their powers for the good of all humanity. But since you're sharing your great gifts with us now, how about you do a little prognosticating for us right now. What's the price of gold going to be in ten years? Who's going to win the 2024 election? What's the weather going to be like on Tuesday in three weeks? And how about some winning lottery numbers while you're at it? Hindsight is 20x20. Postdicting is the pastime of idiots with too much time on their hands. I take it this Bill Ayers is the supposed nail bomber you've been babbling about? I neither know nor care who that is. The right wing has been spewing one delusional conspiracy theory about Obama after the other since the day he was elected. And I mean delusional as in clinically, you need to be on strong anti-psychotics, delusional. Give me one good reason to think this nail bomb thing isn't just another one. I'm not going to waste my time researching one of your crazy accusations until you give me some reason to think it has at least some remote connection to reality. The real cancer on this country are the racist scumbags who can't tell their fevered fantasies from reality. The ones who are absolutely convinced that because there's a n***** in the White House, he must be the spawn of satan.
National debt when Bush left office was 14,507,000,000,000. National debt end of 2013 was 16,872,000,000,000. Difference is 2,365,000,000,000 or an increase in national debt over five years of about 17%. Not bad considering it was the cost of saving the banking/economic system of the Unites States. Now that your request has been met will you answer the question of how Obama turned the Bush mess into a living hell!
Where did I say it did? The question asked to me was "Please expound on how Obama turned the Bush mess into a living hell" And racist scumbags? THERE IT IS!!!! You do realize that's an automatic forum embarrassment now right? Sorry any poster who tosses the unfounded racism claim must be a pedophile for the same unfounded reasons. So far out of the two of us, you are the only one bringing race into the argument when there wasn't a shred of it discussed. Its called a Freudian Slip. Sorry I don't judge people by the color of their skin. I judge people by the content of their character. Is there a reason you are focused on the Presidents skin color? You however appear to want attention called to the color of the Presidents skin in order to bolster your argument. How pathetic.
That's simply not correct. Correct your math. - - - Updated - - - Here ya go don't take my word for it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyLmru6no4U
You are correct. It is actually a 16.3% increase. Just rounding up when I did the math in my head.Now answer the question. And don't duck out by posting some stupid YouTube link that doesn't work. You made a very clear statement so how about explaining it. I met your request to post the number now how about meeting mine.
No it does not explain how Obama turned the Bush mess into a living hell for America. If you can't explain your own statements you should not make them. Thinking the national debt has turned America into a living hell is just plain hyperbole and you know it which is why you keep ducking the need to explain your own words. I posted the numbers per your request which was what you wanted before you said you would explain your statement. I have done my part now it is your turn to explain how the 16.3% increase has turned the US into a living hell.
Notice how birddog criticizes but offers no proof to refute what was said. As always, the right wingers on this forum attack and disparage but never offer any evidence to prove their contentions.
How has no one brought up James Buchanan? He is the guy who stood by and watched while the country descended into Civil War.
