- One Nation under God ,-

There is no mention in the Constitution, the actual law of the land. The other creator you speak of is YOUR creator, not the ones the founders envisioned.

 

Your god and the free will argument is nothing more than a cop out so you can rationalize the evils in the world. A defense to the uncomfortable idea that your god isn't so omnipotent after all.

 

Notes on the State of Virginia {1781-1785}
" Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his
justice cannot sleep forever. "
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" Say nothing of my religion.It is known to God and myself alone.
Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life; if it has been
honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be
a bad one."
" The whole of Government consists in the art of being honest. "
-- Thomas Jefferson

 

It is not Gods' job to stop us from committing sin.

 

FINALLY, you said something that has some truth and validity to it.

 

Then without God given inalienable rights, what justification did we have to break away from England?

 

What they wanted is kind of irrelevant in how the US conducts itself in the modern world. "It says 'God' in the constitution!" is not a valid legal argument, either.

 

Really? Where is Christianity (or any other religion business) mentioned in the D of I? Please provide the specific wording.

Indeed! Where "We the People" form a system of self-governance, neither necromancers of a spirit world nor potentates of the earthly realm shall have dominion.



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"Creator" could be evolution. There is not a single viable reference to God in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence.

 

Kind of irrelevant now. Anyway, the US broke away from Britain over economic policies and lack of representation.

 

Do you know of any gods who do not allow free will?

Is it your job to tell gods their job?

 

I didn't say Christianity necessarily. But the Declaration of Independence clearly references a deity.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

 

France!

 

I don't have to tell God what His job is... God already has done that for me.

 

if God gives you rights, he can take them away.
why would you want to this ?

 

Are you the spokesperson for the creator of the universe to communicate what his job is or isn't? I'm merely pointing out that if yours is the loving and just god of the Christian bible, there's a disconnect between your claimed all-powerful nature and evil & injustice in the world. And that your free will argument is a cover for that.

 

the only right France knows of is the right of surrender.

Well that and Sharia law now.

 

If you like to entertain such a non-specified "creator", you are free to do so, just not to impose your favourite version upon everyone else.

 

I don't have to be the spokesperson... God has already told us.

Your pointing out your misunderstanding of Christianity. That's all.

God does love people but he's not going to stop people from committing sin if that is their choice. If he did so, he would be removing free will. And if he removes free will, it completely undermines the entire point.

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If you'd like to delude yourself into thinking that MOST of them didn't consider the creator the Christian God then by all means do so... But don't spread your ignorance to others.

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The rights are inalienable. That's the point.

 

You asked where the US got the "right" to secede from the British Empire. The answer is "French support."

 

I'm glad that your god provided you with his job description.

Was he hoping for a promotion?

 

He didn't provide me with anything. It's right from Jesus' mouth. You can read it for yourself if you'd like.

 

Ah. A Birther to boot! Now the true nature of your blind obstinance is being revealed. Both on your misinterpretation of the founders as well as your inability to come to grips with today's realities

 

Check out Article VII which states: done in Convention...the Seventeenth day of September in the year of our LORD...

 

not if your "rights" are given to you, they are not.
it's like free will and God. free will is an illusion if it is given to you by an all powerful creator.
the rights you claim to love seem to be limited based on the will of God.
wouldn't rights really be more valid without deity intervention ?