- One Nation under God ,-

Spoken like someone yet to get their GED.
Free Will is a very lengthy and complicated notion.
It is rooted in Freedom as a power that relies on reason and will.
Since man was created as a rational animal,it therefore was conferred on him
the dignity of a person who can initiate and control his own actions.
Furthermore God intended that Man should be left in the hand of his own
counsel.Since God is Omniscient and Omnipotent,he knows before man acts
as to what action man will choose.Why did God choose to afford man this
Power of Free Will.Which the animal kingdom does not share.
God wanted Man of his own accord to seek him out for his blessed perfection
by cleaving to him for strength and moral guidance.
Sometimes it's as simple as choosing Conscience over Arrogance.

 

Because we were pissed at how they treated us with no voice in the matter

 

If you would only embrace the "golden rule" common to religions and ethical philosophies regarding your admonition, you would not be so alienated from America.


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But they wouldn't have been able to gain that support without the Declaration of Independence.

They had to put forth a compelling argument as to why a population who has a sovereign ruler as well as a parliament which as LEGALLY passed laws.... is allowed to revolt and become their own nation. If they did NOT do so, no other nation (including france) would have supported such an action because they would be concerned that their own population would do the same.

So they wrote the Declaration of Independence and claimed that God provides all men inalienable rights and that even though a parliament legally passed laws... if those laws intrude upon those God-given inalienable rights, then men have a responsibility even an obligation to stand up and rebel.

Without that argument... without the assertion that God provided certain inalienable rights... we NEVER could have rebelled from England.

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We did have a voice. That's the point.

 

French did not enter until after the Battle of Saratoga and they wanted what they had lost in the French and Indian War.

 

Then explain why the Animal Kingdom does not nor ever had the power
of Free Will.

 

So you admit you have no free will. NOW we're getting somewhere!

 

https://archive.org/details/thomashutchinson00hutc

Read that. It is the English response to the Declaration of Independence... basically line by line. A refutation of the claims made.

Try a different perspective outside of what you've been brainwashed to believe.

 

If only that derangement had been admitted up front, it would have saved some folks wasted time and effort.

 

That doesn't make sense. God has already told us what his job is. That has nothing to do with my free will.

 

France supported the American revolution in order to undermine Britain. They would have been insane not to, seeing as how Britain had just seized most of North America and replaced France as Europe's foremost military power. It wasn't that they "won over" the French.

The concept of legality was irrelevant. It was a revolution. There was no international community to weigh in.

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This isn't relevant.

 

This is simply false. The Declaration of Independence was EXPLICITLY written to gain support for revolution from France.

And france NEVER would have supported America if they thought that their population would do the same thing. NEVER.

 

Absolutely and unabashedly a total crock.This Country had No problem
whasoever during WW II to Rally Around God,Flag and Country.
It wasn't until the Elites decided to use the power of Liberalism to
bend thought and right vs. wrong.Excellerated to where we are today.
Where being Gay or a Homosexual is actually something treated as a
good in most Public Grade schools.How absolutely demonstrative.
When Liberals find a notion or cause celebre, there's nuthin' that gets
in their way.
Lest of which right or wrong.

 

Your lack of knowledge of the founders is appalling. It would behoove you to give the subject a little more study before you embarrass yourself further.

 

Again, France was looking to prevent a British North America. How about providing some evidence that they were won over by philosophy?

 

Really? You want to take the list of the Founding Fathers and see how many were Christian as opposed to not? You'll lose.

 

You have the freedom to decide that for yourself.

 

Man! I never cease to be amazed at the lengths you guys go to to insert your mythical god into law! Congratulations, however. I've NEVER seen such a stretch as to the one you just provided. That's a first! A laughable and pitiable one, but at least original. The other pablum you guys try is merely rehashed bull(*)(*)(*)(*) that has been debunked ad nauseum.

 

Again... while it's true they definitely supported the war for their own interests... they NEVER would have done so without the Declaration of Independence.

http://www.sparknotes.com/history/american/declaration/context.html
The formal declaration of independence established the new American revolutionary government and officially declared war against Great Britain. The primary purpose of the declaration was to assist the Second Continental Congress in obtaining aid from foreign countries.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1776-1783/declaration
The Declaration summarized the colonists’ motivations for seeking their independence. By declaring themselves an independent nation, the American colonists were able to conclude an official alliance with the government of France and obtain French assistance in the war against Great Britain.

I can get you plenty more if you'd like.

 

Yes, indeed. Freedom of religion is most evident during times of stress, patriotic, religious Americans deriving strength and comfort from their various creeds.

It is essential that any tyranny, zealots for any specific sect that would compromise America's heritage of religious tolerance, be thwarted.

Too many have fought and sacrificed their lives to protect it.

 

You contradict your own point regarding free will. Give it up before you totally disprove your own premise and make a complete fool of yourself

 

We do not have separation of church and state in this country. We have the illusion of it.

 

The British response is irrelevant. The issue was the American justification.

 

who says animals don't have free will ?
i take my dog to the dog park and she choose directions, whether to walk or run, etc ...
now i admit her options are more limited, but that is because of brain size.
free will is actually a result of consciousness which is an EVOLVED TRAIT IN HUMAN BEINGS.

here is the biggest difference between humans and 99% of all other animals.
not only are we able to recognize ourselves in the mirror, we seem to be the only animals are that AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THE FACT we are self aware.

 

As a matter of fact, I do. Please provide a list of every founding father, their specific religious affiliation & documentation that they were true Christians. That is, that they bought into the virgin birtth, the trinity and the divinity of Jesus Christ.

I look forward to your response.