GOP To Iowans: Your Neighbors Will Know If You Dont Vote Republicans

this is new, you always knew if someone voted, but this time the GOP is gonna show a map of who did not vote republican... that is where they break the law

showing *IF* one voted is a lot different then showing WHO they voted for

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I don't understand what you're saying here. We do not know how anyone voted. We can count the number of voters, and ensure that the total votes for all candidates add up to the total votes. But we don't know if they were counted honestly.

It would probably be easier just to number the ballots. Of course, this would mean attaching a number to every vote counted, and creating a database of all of these vote-number pairs, and making that database available to the public. Each ballot's number would have to be associated with every individual vote on the ballot, perhaps dozens. This would slow down the counting considerably, and probably make plenty of errors and be an administrative nightmare, but it could be tried.

I'm not quite clear on the logistics here. We could only know if there is "enough of a discrepancy" by sampling (at random) a sufficiently large number of voters to see if their ballots were recorded correctly. But most voters would never bother to jot down their ballot number.

 

What do you mean by a "system"? Where I vote today, there are paper ballots where I take a special pencil and draw dark arrows indicating my votes. These ballot cards are then inserted into a machine that counts the number inserted. After the polls close, people take the ballots and count the votes. Are these people a "system"? If a machine counts each vote it can read, should we use 2 or 3 machines? Bear in mind that even with electronic voting machines, what matters is the numbers reported up the chain. Do you want several people to call in the vote, to see if they agree? Generally, it's the person the counts are reported TO who are altering those counts.

 

http://nypost.com/2014/10/30/democrats-threaten-voters-to-get-to-the-polls/

 

Vote Shaming you say?


Here is the Democratic Party "Vote Shaming" big time.

I doubt that ThinkProgress posts anything but lies for "Willing Idiots" to repeat.

 

unless there was a problem, it would be all digitally counted, only if people started reporting errors would they then need to do a manual count to confirm

the only problem I see is with people wanting to change their vote to their second best choice if the first one lost

example, someone votes tea party, the tea party candidate lost and the republican candidate lost, then they may want to redo their vote as republican.. that would be a problem

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It isn't showing who they voted for. Seriously, I haven't taken a single advertising class in my life and even I can figure out what is going on. Why do you think that everyone drinking beer in Miller commercials is drinking Miller and not Busch. They want you to think that all your friends and family are voting for the Reps just like McDonald's wants you to think that every family takes their kids through the drive through. This isn't rocket science. Is it skeevy, yes, but no worse than the Democrats sending out letters to the ACTUAL VOTERS THEMSELVES, instead of just a facebook posting. I didn't hear any of you liberals complaining about Obama doing it so why is it all of a sudden bad because the GOP is doing it?

 

I admit I don't understand what you're trying to say. Let's say we have a mechanical voting machine. Are you supposed to enter a magic number when you enter the booth, which will be associated with every vote you cast? Let's say the machine can do that. Now, instead of simple counts, our (much more complex and very expensive) voting machine must be able to produce a document showing every vote cast all day long, each vote associated with a number. That document would need to be publicly available, so that you could look up your number and see every vote associated with it. And sure enough, all the votes associated with your number are exactly what you cast.

Meanwhile, up at the district level, a crooked person is taking all the counts sent in from each machine, recording all the detailed documents, and then adding a fictitious total to the master district count. How would you know? How would anyone know?

 

where I voted we penciled (actually it was a black pen) in our votes (circles filled in), then we personally ran our own ballot through the scan machine and were able to verify it took it correctly, no one ever touched our voting card (you place the voting card in a stack face down in a rack on the machine when done in case a manual count is needed later)

that one system should be uploaded to 2 or more main systems, that each count independently of each other all the votes state wide, then each of those should upload to 2 or 3 national servers

I thought everyone did their votes like that? we even have the option of using our DL to speed things up, it reads the back of our license and finds our registration for us

the DL system is not live though, cause when they verified the address of a women in front of me, she gave her new address and they lectured her about being required to change address, but the address on the DL was her new address, the system had the old address, the lady apologized for the systems being out of date and we moved forward in line

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Somebody as partisan and fanatical as you are a precinct captain?

Good grief.

 

who was this in reply to, I am not a precinct captain

 

It's really quite simple. You go up to the machine and when you vote for Obama it does like always and counts the vote, but it also generates a random number that is also printed on the ballot as it goes through the machine. Another machine will spit out a receipt that has the random # on it and who you voted for.

That way you'll immediately know that your vote was counted correctly.

But once everything has been tabulated and the votes are all counted, some publication will be responsible for compiling the list of every single random number that was generated and who the vote was counted for. So you could go and get your little receipt with your number look it up on the publication and verify, "yep that's my number and I voted for Obama".

Now let's say a lot of people go on there and say "hold on a minute... that's my number, but I didn't vote for Romney!!" You can then take your receipt that has your number and who you voted for on it to whomever would be responsible and if enough people reported that their votes were counted incorrectly we can do a manual check of the numbers. This would ensure that there's no district level, crooked person cooking the books and keep everyone's identity anonymous unless there was a problem.

 

He doesnt know. Hes swooping and pooping tonight.

 

I think this would require some new equipment, but other than that I think it's quite reasonable today. All of the votes could be electronically tabulated into a master file containing vote-ID number pairs. Nobody would know which ID number corresponded to which person except the voter, but more important computers could tote up the entire list - not just the district's computers but anyone's home computer who cared to access the entire list. This would ensure that the final tallies matched the actual votes.

Now, we'd still have the ballot-stuffing problem, because even the dead people still on the registration lists could be made to "vote", getting ID numbers and all. Nobody could tell that they weren't valid votes, because nobody knows who the ID numbers belong to. But it would be a step in the right direction.

 

GOP To Iowans: Your Neighbors Will Know If You Don't Vote Republicans

by Judd Legum | thinkprogress.org | Posted on October 31, 2014 at 3:05 pm
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"The GOP is trying to convince Iowa voters on Facebook that their neighbors will know if they voted Republican.

Screenshots of Facebook ads, promoted by the official Facebook page of the Republican National Committee feature an ominous message: "NOTICE: All Voting Is Public."

The ad tell voters that "In a few months, Iowa will release the list of individual who voted in this election." Most troublingly, the ad includes an arial view of a neighborhood with checkmarks indicating that "These People Voted GOP."

It is true that voter participation in elections in public information. But how a someone voted, including what party they voted for, is not. The secret ballot has long been considered a hallmark of American democracy.

The ad is a variation of a GOTV (Get Out The Vote)strategy called "vote shaming." The tactic is employed by liberals and conservatives to use social psychology to increase the chances that people vote. In every state but Virginia, whether or not you participated in an election is public. "If you publicize something, it has a very powerful effect on behavior," Chris Larimer, an Iowa political scientist, told USA Today in 2012.

The Facebook ads at issue go beyond traditional "vote shaming" by strongly implying that their ballot will not be secret. Two Facebook users who posted screenshots of the ad on social media confirmed to ThinkProgress that they had seen the ads on their Facebook newsfeed.

The RNC and the Iowa GOP did not return requests for comments."

read:
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/10/31/3587414/iowa-republican-facebook-ads/
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IMO: In the last act of desperation before Vote Tuesday, the GOP has resorted to blackmailing citizens into believing that if they don't vote republican everyone will know how they voted. Of course that is a big lie, but lying is what the GOP does best, but some Iowans will believe this tripe that some republican strategist thought of, saying "if they don't vote for us willingly, then we'll scare the crap out of them, so they will vote the way we want them to."

So even the republican voters are being manipulated by republican campaigners into forced voting for the republican candidates through fear. Of course the information is only that the person has voted, but NOT who they voted for, which is secret.

So we can all go to the polls and vote our consciences secure in the knowledge that at least for year, records of all citizens' votes will not go into republicans' hands.

 

Did you not read the bolded part? BOTH parties do this and nowhere does it state that WHO you voted for will be named. At least not according to the picture they posted. It simply says that people will know who voted because it's public knowledge.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...now-if-you-voted-rep-called-vote-shaming.html

We already got the same thread with basically the same rhetoric. Thanks though.

 

Posted by the 2nd biggest liberal mouthpiece this board has.

Lets just hope cpicture and agent don't join forces.

 

How come I can't find it?

 

What is the intimidation?

 

My understanding of most likely proceedures, going back to when the 2000 election was in question in Florida. The machines are calibrated both before and after, a series of test votes entered to see if the results match. If the elections is close the ballots are run through again and that count is taken to see if it changes the results.

I agree there should be some type of receipt given at the time that the voter can verify how their vote was recorded. Don't know how that would help after the election is over however.

 

it would mean the election could not be called until people had time to verify their vote online with the national system, your given say 10 days after the election to dispute your vote

if any votes disputes would change the election results, then a manual recount would be needed and the error figured out, not only for the current election, but to prevent it from reoccurring in future election

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telling people your gonna tell how them and their neighbors voted online in a map form.... it's a crime, definitely voter intimidation

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What part of the post did you not understand?? Democrats didn't do this!!

 

That way HUSBANDS can check up on their wives and beat the (*)(*)(*)(*) out them if they don't vote correctly?? (Yes, SOME men would do that!) That'll suppress the vote alright! Employers can check and see how their employees vote?

GIVE ME A BREAK. Please tell me that no one on this board's critical thinking skills can be this impaired.

 

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Oh Goody...we must be doing something right then, eh?......