You get what you pay for.

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  1. theferret

    theferret Well-Known Member

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    Remember folks, the right leaning SCOTUS voted for virtually limitless, anonymous, non-accountability as to campaign contributions, and then let States hamstring Civil Rights regarding voter registration laws.

    Under Bush, you had 2 wars that were literally put on the American people's credit card, tax breaks for the wealthy and tax protection for job outsourcing companies. The government was given carte blanche to spy on ANY American citizen or group little to no accountability to Congress (the people's representatives. The gov't could not negotiate with big pharma regarding prescription costs, HMO's screwed people left and right, health insurance companies dropped you at whim, and YOU were limited in the amount you could sue them should a corporation's product damn near kill you!

    The GOP swore in 2008 to obstruct Obama at every turn and to make him a one term President. That's not governing, that's a vendetta. But hey, should the GOP control both House and Senate after this election, you'll see 2 years of "you ain't seen nothing yet" by this Teabag/new conservative GOP.

    And if you voted for these jokers, you'll have no one to blame but yourself.

    God indeed bless America, because we're going to need all the help we can get! :hmm:
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The title of this thread is very true. That is how we got a community organizer rather that an executive that could run the economy.
     
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    The president never has, and never will, "run the economy." If you dream of a president who can "run the economy" you dream of Stalin.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    judicator

    But Obama claims he is!!!!
     
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    Rough night, eh....
     
  6. theferret

    theferret Well-Known Member

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    Repeating a failed campaign 2008 slogan does NOT address the points I made.

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    If that is indeed the case, then please provide a direct quote stating such in no uncertain terms (a valid source is needed for that). If you can't, then you have been misinformed or subject to wishful thinking.
     
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    theferret Well-Known Member

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    Voter suppression in how many states? In Texas, a student I.D. is invalid, but a gun permit is for college kids to vote.

    Avoiding the points I made, eh?
     
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    I love it when the first sentence in a new thread is a lie. It saves me time from reading farther.
     
  9. theferret

    theferret Well-Known Member

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    Your assertion is dubious at best, given that you took time and effort to make a false allegation that YOU cannot logically or factually prove. What you do here is a-typical of the willfully ignorant parrot mindset that keeps people voting against their best interest when they vote for a GOP controlled by either new conservatives or the tea party.

    If you cannot disprove one thing I posted, then your retort is meaningless drivel.
     
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    well, we DID win. :) and with any luck at all, obamacare will WRECK what's left of the economy and no liberal democrat (ie, commie) will win office again for at least a decade.
     
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    Citizens United was a ruling that basically ensured money matters more than votes.

    When the Court threw out the Voting Rights Act provisions, several states pushed forward with voter ID policies aimed at suppressing votes.

    As much as people focus on the feds, the real tyranny in America is mostly happening on the state level. Granted, this has been true for much of America's history. It's a large part of why we had a Civil War.
     
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    theferret Well-Known Member

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    Proud of that historic low voter turnout, ehh? Remember, the Congress approval rating was lower than Obama's! But hey, coupled with red state voter suppression tactics and it's the "people's mandate", right? :roll: Give me a break!

    You cannot disprove ONE thing I posted in the opening of this thread, so you blather nonsense.
     
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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The largest expansion of spying came after Obama became President.

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    Full of excuses!

    Turnout increased in 14 states: Turnout actually increased in 14 states, plus D.C., from 2010-2014. In 10 of the 14, there were competitive to potentially competitive Senate races. In nine of the 14, there were governors’ races. Here’s where turnout increased, ranked by biggest increase:

    1. Louisiana: +12.9% (38.9%-43.9%) <--------------Run off.
    2. Nebraska: +10.1% (37.5%-41.3%) <--------------Governor Hold
    3. Arkansas: +9.9% (37.5%-41.2%) <---------------Senate Seat Win
    4. Wisconsin: +9.4% (52.0%-56.9%) <--------------Governor Hold
    5. Maine: +7.4% (55.2%-59.3%)
    6. New Hampshire: +6.8% (45.7%-48.8%)
    7. Alaska: +6.6% (51.9%-55.3%) <---------------Senate Seat Win
    8. Washington, D.C.: +4.8% (28.9%-30.3%)
    9. Colorado: +4.7% (50.6%-53.0%) <---------------Senate Seat Win
    10. Kentucky: +4.2% (42.4%-44.2%)
    11. North Carolina: +3.8% (39.2%-40.7%) <---------------Senate Seat Win
    12. Florida: +3.4% (41.7%-43.1%) <--------------Governor Hold
    13. Kansas: +2.6% (41.7%-42.8%) <--------------Governor Hold
    14. Iowa: +1.4% (49.9%-50.6%) <--------------Governor Hold
    15. Oregon: +0.2% (52.6%-52.7%)

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/2014-midterm-election-turnout-lowest-in-70-years/

    It was down, though — and by a lot in many places — in 36 others. Here are the top 10 biggest decreases:

    1. Missouri: -27.4% (44.5%-32.3%)
    2. Washington state: -27.3% (53.1%-38.6%)
    3. Delaware: -27% (47.5%- 34.5%)
    4. California: -25.5% (44%-32.8%)
    5. Indiana: -24.5% (37.1%-28.0%)
    6. Oklahoma: -23.2 (38.8%-29.8%)
    7. Nevada: -23% (41.3%-31.8%)
    8. Alabama: -22.1% (43%-33.5%)
    9. Utah: -20.7% (36.3%-28.8%)
    10. Mississippi: -19.7% (37%-29.7%)

    NONE of the states with the biggest decreases were battle ground states with contested races nor Republican wins displacing Democrats for the Senate or Governor

    Let me remind you of Bill Clinton won in 1992 with 43.0% of the vote. Next NONE of the States with the biggest drop in voter turnout were state where Republicans beat Democrats for Governor in DEEP blue states Arkansas, Illinois, Massachusetts and Maryland. Like it or not it WAS a repudiation of the Democrats/Obama policies.
     
  14. theferret

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    sORRY TO DISAGREE, BUT:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...er-turnout-in-2014-was-the-lowest-since-wwii/
     
  15. Professor Peabody

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    A little less than typical for a mid-term. My point is the "alleged voter suppression" had nothing to do with the out come. The Democrats problem is they couldn't motivate their own voter base (poor and uneducated) because even they don't like what the Democrats are doing. If Obama grants his executive amnesty, there will be a Republican in the White House for the next 16 years.
     
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    Of course a student I.D. should be invalid. I don't know about Texas, but around here the cards are issued by the university itself.
     
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    And in Cali, you don't need to be a citizen to attend a secondary institution. Not sure about elsewhere, but many illegals use grants and credits to attend college on my dime.

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    Do you need to be an American citizen to attend college?

    Do you need to be an American citizen to get a gun permit?

    You answered your own question.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I thought you needed only a green card to get a gun? You don't need to be a full citizen. Is that true?
     
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    Yeah, me thinks theferret, cppicture, sanksrit, grok, etc., go through a LOT of Kleenex and Midol.
     
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    it aint our fault that you commies pushed thru Obamacare, and committed political suicide to do so. you "think": that you know what the people need, ok, now you're proven wrong and youll get lots worse soon.:)
     
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    First off, your denial of the facts speaks volumes as to your effort to white wash the alleged "mandate of the people" the GOP claims to have.....it's a HISTORIC low, not "a little less" as the FACTS speak for the themselves. http://time.com/3576090/midterm-elections-turnout-world-war-two/

    And you can DENY the facts all you want regarding voter suppression tactics, but only a fool would not have reasonable doubt as to that claim in light of the record low turnout: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/us/voter-id-laws-midterm-elections.html?_r=0

    https://www.aclu.org/maps/battle-protect-ballot-voter-suppression-measures-passed-2013


    Now I will be the first one to state that the Dem party essentially left Obama twisting in the wind by NOT putting forth the same efforts they did for the 2008 and 2012 elections...but that's what you get when you try to win over factions of the populace that have bought into the 24/7 anti-Obama media machine of the right that has been on-going since the 2008 election!

    What's REALLY telling is that YOU categorize the voter base of the Dems as "poor and uneducated". Hmm, given the gems your party as trotted out in the last few years (the Shrub, Cantor, Palin, Romney, Perry, Ryan, Rubio, Paul), only a complete idiot or some willfully ignorant elitists would give credence to vote against their own interests. So YOU are the last one to throw stones.

    If Obama gets his executive amnesty, then a whole lot of folks are going to lose their undocumented work force and America gets more taxpayers in the coffers.

    like I said, you get what you pay for....hopefully, people will wake up and see that by 2016. Third party, anyone?
     
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    theferret Well-Known Member

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    And a student can ONLY get an ID with valid social security and registration papers regarding residence. So if the kid is 18 and vetted by the State for college, then why not to vote? Again, you have to show PROOF of massive voter fraud to validate the nonsense by Texas I pointed out.
     
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    How long do you need to be a resident to get a gun permit in Texas?

    Foreign students are NOT US citizens

    And while you ponder that, here's an FYI:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/texans-gun-permits-student-ids-voting_n_1095530.html

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    The first 3 words of your post here are in doubt. Seems you're avoiding the points I made...not surprising. and remember, when things get bad, YOU voted for it!
     
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    what are you, 12 years old? Try growing up and have the courage to honestly address the points I made. ...and THINK beyond what you here on right wingnut radio.

    Record low voter turnout, a Congress with a lower approval rating than the President (who FAIRLY won twice).
     
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    The Democrat party agenda LOST BIG TIME two weeks ago. You need to get over the hurt and move on. Low income workers don't pay taxes in any appreciable amount, normally they get back more than they give with EIC and child tax credits.
     

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