Jesus returns in 2017,,,,

Yep,...
You can bracket comments too.

The point is to explain the verse in a way that makes sense in the Bible story and also fits the Reality of science and History so the Bible says something to the reader.

What I see is Gen 22 starts with an analogy which fits he prophecy of Jesus getting crucified on a stack of wood, but saved at the last moment.


Gen 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt ([nacah: try, prove]; use to show) Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am, (a parody of the name of God, himself, YHVH; [Exodus 3:14]).


Gen. 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, (as I shall take my own), thine only son, (as shall I take my only son), Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah, (a hill, like Golgotha, the place of the Skull, in Palestinia); and offer him there, (symbolically transferring guilt and sin to him; [Luke 24:47]), for a burnt offering, (a sin offering), upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Gen. 22:3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, (as would Jesus ride into Jerusalem to be crucified: [John 12:14]) and took two ([Matt 27:38]) of his young men, (as witnesses, as would Jesus take Mary and John to witness the Cross), clave the wood, (as if the pieces of the cross of Isaac's crucifixion), for the burnt offering, (the Jewish ritual for the transferal of sin; [Luke 24:47]), and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.

Gen. 22:4 Then, (as example to the years of the ministry of Jesus yet to come), on the third "day," (the third yom, or three durations of time: [Luke 24:46]), Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off, (in the future).


Then, we see Isaiah 53 fulfilled as the Jews get Holocaust, and then returned to Israel, as was expected and promised.

 

Then Gen 22 went on and said that the Holocaust was to come for the full grown sheep, not the lamb, Isaac.
Those two tales, one after the other, make sense when we look back at the History of Judaism.

 

After Jesus returned he changed many of the old mosaic laws reducing them to ten, not to be confused them with the ten commandants. Before Jesus the Hebrew devout had to observe and keep over 600 laws! One or more defined sacrifices. The blood sacrifice was eliminated after Jesus died via the ultimate self blood sacrifice. What I am saying is that Christians are not bound by the laws, while the Jewish people still are*. That may change, in fact my and others interpenetration of end time scripture, particularity Daniel 9:27 foretells of the third temple being rebuilt by Israel and before it is entered etc a Jewish priest will again sacrifice and offer a 'pure' red heifers ashes thus completing that part of prophesy, the scary thing is what comes next.

reva

 

We Christians tend to be under-informed on many subjects....... Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus predicted that we would be......
Luke 16:8


"And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light."

.... The next major event will be the raising up of the "Cyrus" Messianic type of person predicted in Isaiah 45. A man from Uganda who I believe had a near death experience during a bout with malaria wrote an exceptionally insightful article on this topic...…

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...ay-least-expensive-way-stabilize-climate.html
Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple may be least expensive way to stabilize climate?

 

and :

Hmmm. I'm reminded of this :

"'Many False Prophets Will Arise and Deceive Many'



"Just what is the nature of this deception? Notice Jesus' specific warning: "Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many" (verses 4-5, King James Version).
==


It is these people—false preachers and teachers claiming to be Christian—who would proliferate and deceive ever more people as the end of the age neared.

The apostle Paul later affirmed, in a Christian context, that "evil men and imposters will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived" (2 Timothy:3:13)

. So not only do they deceive others. These false teachers themselves are deceived.

===


see this :

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Annals-Gullibility-Why-Duped-Avoid/dp/0313362165

 

And at this time we even have accounts of visions of his hidden teachings from gifted near death experiencers.


Page 215:

http://www.thomastwin.com/

 

Christians who were not Jewish never had to abide by the Rabbinical Laws, 613 of them.
Gentiles who became Christians, or Jews in accord with Christ, only had to observe the Seven Noachide Laws.

This rule in Judaism was explained by Paul when he spoke to Peter.

 

Your quote above of someone else's message seems very much in line with what Daniel 12 said, and Jesus repeated for us to think about:

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (in 70 AD), and (until) the abomination (of the Dome of the Rock) that maketh desolate set up (in 690 AD), there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days, (1290 + 690 = 1980 AD, the re-dedication of The New Jerusalem as Capital of Israel).

Dan. 12:12 Blessed is he, (1290 years after the 690 AD construction of the Dome of the Rock, that is: 1980 AD), that waiteth (45 more years), and cometh to (the end), the thousand, three hundred and five and thirty days, (2025 AD).

Dan. 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be (in the 21st Century, i.e.; Daniel 12:7 "times, times and half a times"): for thou shalt rest (in the genetic pool of the Jewish people), and stand in thy lot (when drawn again, from the gene pool of man for resurrection in your name and mind) at the end of the days (of Modern Homo sapiens).

 

Jesus' message Matthew 15:24 (NLT) = Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.”

 

This makes sense once one reads 1Kings 18.
There we see that Christ duplicated the same things which Elijah had done 800 years before 32AD.

So, Christ is the message to the Jews, that Elijah had returned, they killed him, and rabbi have lied ever since about it.

 

True….. but I bet we would be amazed how many Gentile Prostylites to First Century Messianic Judaism began to take the Seventh Day Sabbath more and more seriously as they listened to Paul, Cephas/Peter and other leaders who knew how seriously Rabbi Yeshua- Jesus had taken the Sabbath.

The criticisms that the Scribes and Pharisees levelled at him….. for allowing his students to eat corn on the Sabbath……. and call it "harvesting" because they picked the ears of corn off the stalk……. was obviously ridiculous and legalistic…… Their criticism of him for healing on the Sabbath….. was also silly?!


Matthew 5:17
¶
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Matthew 24:20
"But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:"

If the Messianic Jewish community of the year 70 C. E. had zero respect for the Sabbath…. why bother praying about a time of flight not being on it?

But you are correct….. the judgments in the Book of Acts were very much like the Noahide laws recently elaborated on by the newly formed Jerusalem Sanhedrin. A Gentile convert to the Noahide Movement is not compelled to observe Shabbat…. but is certainly allowed to do so if they feel led in that direction.

 

The Congress Critters converted everyone to the Noahide Laws.

 

This verse has been used again and again to argue that Jesus was supporting scripture, I believe he was referring to Mal 4:6, which said Elijah was to return, and the Deuteronomy 18 was being fulfilled as had been promised:

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.


...but if they did not harken... Holocaust?

19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

 

In a way... the people who have a near death experience..... much like Moses.... seem to meet with The Word/ Logos/ Messiah face to face.... they come back here to four dimensional space time with their faces glowing in a sense....... and a high percentage of their families and friends don't really want to hear what they have to say about what they saw and experienced. (Israel asked Moses to put a veil on his face)!

 

RevAnarchist........ your opening post is causing me to completely rethink a message that I received in Spanish back in 2010...........


http://www.christianforums.com/t7843155-2/
(posts 18 and 19).....

....... this dream in which a common government.... and common currency..... would tend to inspire fear in most of us Christians..... but..... if the Cyrus prophecy as given to Pastor Eporu Ronald Alfred from Uganda was inspired......… then..... instead of reacting in fear to the dream given to Pastor Shane Warren...… we can look at the same dream in a way much like how Joshua and Caleb told the ten spies and all of Israel that they could look at their situation differently!?


.... just as the Jewish people in the latter days are supposed to somehow search for a modern King David so also...… the Gentile church should perhaps begin to pray and meditate on Isaiah chapter 45............. and WE THE CHURCH..... could well be the ones to initiate a Global Volunteerism Hour or Dollar.... somewhat like was done in the city of Worgl Austria during the Great Depression..... post #1 in this discussion gives the history of this.... especially as it was applied in the United States......


http://www.christianforums.com/t7701455/

North American churches should each have their own currency!
...........

Whatcom Watch Online - The Truth About Money: The Money System—Isn’t There a Better Way?

http://www.whatcomwatch.org/php/WW_open.php?id=717

 

Jubilee...… is all about the cancellation of debt.......... that is an absolutely colossal subject!!!!!!

Especially in our time period.

I dealt with this in my 2006 and 2004 campaigns for public office.....

www.BankingSystemFlaws.blogspot.ca/

 

Actually…… I suspect that 2030 will be a more important year in many ways.

2030 is the first major year in which there would be logic for the Jews to have their Jerusalem Third Temple complex completed and ready to go into operation.

In a sense….. the Third Temple is a stage…….. and Muslims and Christians who believe the prophecies in the Koran and in the Christian Bible……… will soon begin to support the Jews in the rebuilding of their Third Temple.

Here are some of the events that may unfold by 2030…. unless we lack faith and delay the whole thing to 2070 the two thousand year anniversary of the destruction of the SEcond Temple.

http://www.crcantrell.bibleword.org/Tribulation.htm

 

Now you're a prophet? Amazing.

 

Sorry…… I am just leaping to a conclusion based on something….. that I think was written by Hosea.

Hosea 6:2
"After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight."

If…… REveloation chapter 21 is fulfilled around the year 3030….. .if the new Jerusalem descends on the 3000 year anniversary of the death, burial and resurrection of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus…… then a significant event is also predicted for the year 2030…… .two days from that event.

I am expecting something big for the year 2030………. and Eporu Ronald Alfred may have added details to what it will be by his writing on a modern political leader like Cyrus.

The financing for the project may be all set up by 2017….. thus the connection with "Jubilee!?"

(post #6 here has the full writing):
http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...s-p-m-brokering-jordan-israel-peace-deal.html

 

LOLOL.. Did you just pull such numbers out of your butt?

Jordan and Israel have been at peace for decades.

 

2026-2030 (His death & resurrection year is till up for debate)

With Obama ready to bail on Israel at the UN, and then Israel will have no friends left (Including an anti-Semitic Europe), then end-time doubters, get ready!!

btw, Margot, thought you'd be in Syria now as an ISIS bride!

 

You still think Russia and any major players will ever bother to attack Israel?

Gog and Magog invaded a couple hundred years before Christ.

 

We've been told to "get ready" for almost 2,000 years. The "predictions" of today are no more compelling that those that came before. When this one fails, the proponents will crank out a new date, just like every time before.

 

As I've said MANY times, chronologically when reading Rev, Gog & Magog are the 'post'-Millennium (1000 yrs of peace) forces that are battled & destroyed (more like circa 3030 AD).

Armageddon will be the battle with the 200 Million from the 'east', remnants of the ancient Assyrians, i.e. the 'new' Caliphate!

so didnt get an answer, Margot, didnt you make the ISIS bride cut?!

Yeah, true, never mind it wont make any difference at this point in time, as it sounds like you've already chosen your destiny.......

 

If I had reason or evidence to choose another, instead of a several millennia of failed prophecies, that would be swell. Instead I have multiple religions telling me to ignore reason and take a leap of faith -- but only for them, not for the other guys.