No vaccination? No school!!!!

More than 60 kids in California have the Measles, due to one unvaccinated child at Disneyland.

California schools mandate vaccination for all students, but parents can sign a "belief waver", attesting that they won't vaccinate their kids due to personal beliefs, and then the kid can go to school.

CDC says that a community needs a 95% vaccination rate to prevent diseases, but many smaller communities in Cali have vaccination rates of 90% or less.

Not vaccinating your kids, is fine. Just keep your kids out of schools and all public areas.

 

What is the rate of vaccination among the 60 kids that contracted the illness?

 

Sure as long as they can get their tax money back for those schools that you are denying them entry to because of their religious beliefs. That way they can afford a private school no problem.

 

no, they should be forbidden from all schools.

they must be homeschooled.

 

You can't forbid kids from going to a private school lol

 

I didn't think I would get an answer to my question.

It's funny that Ronstar can say that the problem is due to an unvaccinated kid at Disney when patient zero has not been found...

www.kcra.com/news/measles-cases-continue-to-spread-in-california/30845608

And at the same time have no idea what the vaccination rate is among the kids that did contract the disease.

1. Measles is endemic.
2. It infects kids who are fully vaccinated (especially in the 8-12 age group)
3. It infects adults that do not keep up with their booster inoculations.

And yet, Ronstar feels confident in proclaiming that the issue is the few who choose to opt out of the vaccination program. Fooey. The problem isn't with a single kid at Disney. The problem is with the failure of the vaccine created antibody in the majority of those 60 kids. But let's not question that when we can simply spend our time blaming religion.

 

this whole idiocy about not vaccinating kids stems from a falsified medical study the author of which was stripped of his medical license.

It appears that there is no limit to the depths of ignorance of some people, that they would deliberately expose their children to disease in order to protect them from a liars claim.

When hunting loons it pays to look both left and right.

 

Quite true, Jonsa... People can be really stupid.

 

That's not true, though that's what some people like to reduce the argument to in order to discredit it.

Speaking of ignorance, can you answer my question in post #2?

 

Speaking of the depths of ignorance... How deep is yours?

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/09...mmr-vaccine-likely-cause-autism-black-babies/

Autism in Black babies linked to MMR vaccines A senior scientist for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claims the federal agency has been hiding results from a test of experimental measles vaccines that increased the likelihood of Black children getting autism, according to reports.

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While the CDC assured the public that there was nothing to worry about with the vaccination, senior scientist Dr. William Thompson claims the CDC has been lying for years, according to The Examiner.
Dr. Brian Hooker was doing research for the Focus Autism Foundation and requested some information via the Freedom of Information Act about a 2004 study that claimed MMR vaccinations were perfectly safe.
According to Thompson, those results were false.
The Examiner reported that Thompson, who has been with the CDC for more than a decade, admitted to Hooker that he and several other authors behind the study manipulated and hid data that proved Black babies were more than three times more likely to develop regressive autism if they were given the vaccine before the age of 3.

 

Vaccine is near 100% effective with the second dose.

Avoiding Vaccinations for your children is both retarded and borderline child abuse.

 

most if not all states apply school immunization requirements to private schools as well.

 

Interesting that you didn't answer my question. Are you claiming that nearly 100% of those 60+ children were either unvaccinated, or incompletely vaccinated? Can you show your data please?

 

That data is unpublished at this time. The data I posted is about the vaccines effectiveness and can be seen at http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/faqs-dis-vac-risks.htm

This would mean that all or most of those children were indeed unvaccinated and the delusional parents who are not taking proper care of them should be punished.

 

But almost every state has religious exemptions.

Regardless that wasn't really the point of my first post. Whether they are relegated to private or homeschool they should be allowed to not pay tax for public schools if they're going to be denied entry because of their religious beliefs.

 

So parents who don't get their child vaccinated should be punished.

But parents who have children when they're already on welfare and public assistance and they know they can't take care of another child should be rewarded with more welfare?

 

Vaccinations aren't just for individual safety, they are for public safety. You're saying these people deserve special treatment for putting everyone at risk?

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Not even digifying this retarded statement with a response. Stick to topic or don't bother.

 

Your "logic" is absolutely astounding. unless the child sits in a bubble at his house and only interacts with his/her parents then they consistently stay at risk. Every time they go to the grocery store, the arcade, the mall, the movies... Literally ANYWHERE they take the risk of exposing themselves to those types of issues. Should we require immunization records from everyone anywhere they go?

If not then what is the purpose in punishing these people because they still carry a substantial risk.

And I'm sure you don't want to talk about the discrepancies in your belief structure. But that doesn't take away from the fact that it's a cogent point.

You care SO much about these kids that you're willing to punish parents who don't t
Get them vaccinated but you reward parents who have children that they KNOW they can't take care of.

You're basing your ENTIRE position on your concern for children who might get sick. But you believe in rewarding parents for having children they can't take care of.

Excuse me if I don't believe your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) concern for children in the light of your hypocritical position.

 

Oh its not true?

I assume you are not disputing the original wholly discredited study so what other idiocy is this anti-vaccination paranoia based on?

yes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2015/01/20/five-things-to-know-about-the-disneyland-measles-outbreak/

 

I get the paranoia over vaccinations. We've got a government that gives people syphilis. One (at least) of our two main political parties is based on a Randian theory of greed and selfishness and the exploitation of humanity. For things like vaccination programs to work, there has to be a level of trust that this country doesn't have for logical and rational reasons.

 

If you refuse you vaccinate your children, then the government should refuse to educate them.

We need to stop pandering to the anti-science crowd.

 

I'm glad that your so confident in data you don't have given the information we know about other vaccines like DTAP. The CDC has released a study of the 2010 pertussis outbreak and found 80% of the infected were fully vaccinated, with efficacy rates as low as 24% in youths aged 8-12. Given that, I'd say it's quite likely your 100% claim is a smidge off the mark. But maybe I'm just ignorant and need to be punished.

 

Threat of punishment to encourage the parents to do the right thing.

Still not addressing the rest of the misdirectional hogwash.

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Published CDC data. Did you even look at the link? Your denial is indeed ignorant.

 

And who the (*)(*)(*)(*) are you to say what the "right thing" is for someone else's children?

SURELY you're not arguing that we have the right to impose our beliefs and values upon other people's children when we think the parents aren't doing the right thing. Are you?

And I knew you would run away from those questions before I asked. Don't worry.

 

More drivel from the anti-vac crowd and its "champion" Brian Hooker.

here's what Dr. Thompson's "whistleblowing" was actually all about in his own statement:

http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/