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You are obviously a believer. Nuff said.

 

Here are the facts.

The 97% is something made up by a biased group interpreting published papers for the media.

100% of scientists believe in Climate Change.
100% of scientists believe man contributes.

After that it is a crap shoot on what anyone agrees with, whether it is good or bad.

 

science isn't about belief, it's about observation, facts and evidence

no it's not, it's a scientific survey

 

Everybody knows that. Did you know you can save 15% or more....?

 

of course you can't make a rational argument

 

Of selected published papers by a biased group. Basically by the cartoonist John Cook and friends. They certainly get it wrong since 100% of climate scientists believe in Climate Change and that man contributes.

 

Today was a 60 degree day again in the Seattle area. If this is global warming, give me more. This is great.

 

all the published papers written on global warming by climate scientists

 

Since science is still struggling to figure out why glacial and inter-glacial periods start and stop, I think science is a long way off of predicting much of anything for global climate.

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Which, of course, are dominated by only a few scientists. When a biased group sets out to prove something based on a select set of papers, they are bound to prove what they set out to prove. Even then the get it wrong.

 

your dumb lies were refuted long ago

the survey includes all published papers by climate scientists

 

The most important factor to remember is that the evidence for agw has been distorted in order to
carry out a prevailing viewpoint. See East Anglia email

Climate change is natural.
agw is a hoax.

 

The scientific community knows that the climate has a natural cycle. They know this by studying historical data and present available geographic data. The fully acknowledge this. The debate starts when they study the cause of the current changes in the climate cycle. Where humans and co2 have caused a change in the cycle. Some say it has, others say it has had a minimal effect and others say it is having a major/dramatic effect.

Here is one thought I have, historically, glaciers covered our east coast. Does it appear that the east coast is having colder winters with more snow? Does that indicate a long-term climate change for the east coast, while according to some the artic is warming? I grew up in Northern Illinois, we had very cold winters with lots of snow, then followed years of mild winters and not much snow and now this winter is colder with more snow. what does that mean to you? There is a predictable climate cycle. "While ice ages generally involve a lowering of the average global temperature, there are regular fluctuations during any ice age between slightly cooler periods and slightly warmer periods. These fluctuations occur over long time scales – thousands of years. During glacial periods, the temperatures are below the overall average which, as you might expect, causes ice sheets to extend their range. During interglacial periods, the temperatures are above the overall average which causes ice sheets to retreat. Interglacial periods separate glacial periods and vice-versa; this is the glacial-interglacial cycle. Scientific measurements indicate that about 80% of a glacial-interglacial cycle is spent in the glacial period – i.e. the cooler periods are longer than the warmer ones." And, We are currently in an ice age that began 2.6 million years ago. Yes, we are in an ice age. Once the shock of reading that last statement wears off, realize that the only requirement for labeling the Earth as being in an ice age is that there has to be permanent (year-round) and somewhat extensive ice cover somewhere on the planet. Right now, that ice cover is on the Arctic, Greenland, and the Antarctic.
(http://sites.gsu.edu/geog1112/lab-7/)

 

the hoax is 'the telegraph's' bunk, booker and the east anglia email were easily debunked

the telegraph keeps publishing crap that's similar to big tobacco lobbyist

trying to convince people that smoking doesn't cause cancer


Debunking Misinformation About Stolen Climate Emails in the "Climategate" Manufactured Controversy

The manufactured controversy over emails stolen from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit has generated a lot more heat than light. The email content being quoted does not indicate that climate data and research have been compromised. Most importantly, nothing in the content of these stolen emails has any impact on our overall understanding that human activities are driving dangerous levels of global warming. Media reports and contrarian claims that they do are inaccurate.

Investigations Clear Scientists of Wrongdoing

Six official investigations have cleared scientists of accusations of wrongdoing.

A three-part Penn State University cleared scientist Michael Mann of wrongdoing.

Two reviews commissioned by the University of East Anglia"supported the honesty and integrity of scientists in the Climatic Research Unit."

A UK Parliament report concluded that the emails have no bearing on our understanding of climate science and that claims against UEA scientists are misleading.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Inspector General's office concluded there was no evidence of wrongdoing on behalf of their employees.

The National Science Foundation's Inspector General's office concluded, "Lacking any direct evidence of research misconduct...we are closing this investigation with no further action."

Other agencies and media outlets have investigated the substance of the emails.

The Environmental Protection Agency, in response to petitions against action to curb heat-trapping emissions, dismissed attacks on the science rooted in the stolen emails.

Factcheck.org debunked claims that the emails put the conclusions of climate science into question.

Politifact.com rated claims that the emails falsify climate science as "false."

An Associated Press review of the emails found that they "don't undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions."

Background Information

Scientists Statement&#8212;An Open Letter to Congress from U.S. Scientists on Climate Change and Recently Stolen Emails (pdf)

Letter from James McCarthy, a former Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change lead author, to Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) (pdf)

Press Releases and Factchecks

Nov. 23, 2009&#8212;Contrarians Using Hacked E-mails to Attack Climate Science

Dec. 02, 2009&#8212;Members of Congress Advance Climate Change Conspiracy Theories

Dec. 02, 2009&#8212;More Scientists Join Call to Reject Stolen E-mail Claims

Dec. 04, 2009&#8212;Top U.S. Scientists Tell Congress Stolen Emails Have No Bearing on Climate Science

Dec. 17, 2009&#8212;Factcheck: Sen. Inhofe Can't Even Get the Dates Right on Stolen Emails

Dec. 18, 2009&#8212;UCS Urges Rep. Sensenbrenner to Stop Attacking Scientists

Dec. 23, 2009&#8212;Patrick Michales Falsely Blaims Content of Stolen Emails for Resignations at Climate Science Journal


UCS Analysis

UCS's analysis of the emails and the debate surrounding them aims to correct popular misconceptions about what the emails say, put them in scientific context and explain the importance of scientific integrity.

Media outlets are getting the story wrong. These emails don't demonstrate anything wrong with global warming data.
Scientists didn't "trick" anyone or "hide" anything.

Scientists are talking about understanding our climate, not hiding anything.

Some valid concernes were raised about FOIA requests, but the emails don't undermine the science.

Groups misrepresenting these emails are overplaying their hand, demonstrating their desperation.

The timing of releasing the stolen emails is suspicious.

Scientists are as human as anybody else.


Additional Resources

Real Climate has been following the hacked e-mail story with posts from scientists explaining what phrases in various e-mails mean.

Phil Jones did an interview with the The Guardian on the e-mails.

Michael Mann covered several of the claims on DeSmog Blog.

Michael Mann repsonded to an op-ed by former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin in the Washington Post.

Some news organizations have misreported critical aspects of the stolen email story. There is no evidence scientists did anything with temperature data they weren't already doing openly in peer-reviewed papers.

At this time, there is no evidence that scientists "fudged," "manipulated" or "manufactured" data. These unsupported claims, based on taking the emails out of context, are being promoted by long-time anti-science opponents of climate change legislation. The U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the University of East Anglia and Penn State University are separately looking into the contents of the stolen emails to assess these claims.

While the emails have raised some concerns, the email content being quoted does not indicate that climate data and research have been compromised. Most importantly, nothing in the content of these stolen emails has any impact on our overall understanding that human activities are driving dangerous levels of global warming. Media reports and contrarian claims that they do are inaccurate.

University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit Director Phil Jones wasn't "hiding" anything that wasn't already being openly discussed in scientific papers. He was using a "trick"&#8212;a technique&#8212;published in the peer-reviewed scientific literature.

This email exchange from 1999 seems to refer to scientists examining past climate data and communicating with one another about it. In particular, Jones is talking about how scientists compare temperature data from thermometers with temperature data derived from tree rings. Comparing that data allows scientists to derive past temperature data for several centuries before accurate thermometer measurements were available. The global average surface temperature since 1880 is based on thermometer and satellite temperature measurements.

The "trick" is actually a technique (in other words, a "trick of the trade") used in a peer-reviewed, academic science journal article published in 1998. "Hiding the decline," another phrase that has received much attention, refers to another technique used in another academic science journal article. In any case, no one was tricking anyone or hiding anything. Rather, this email exchange shows scientists communicating about different ways to look at the same data that were being discussed at the time in the peer-reviewed literature. Later the same data were discussed at length in a 2007 IPCC report.

In some parts of the world, tree rings are a good substitute for temperature record. Trees form a ring of new growth every growing season. Generally, warmer temperatures produce thicker tree rings, while colder temperatures produce thinner ones. Other factors, such as precipitation, soil properties, and the tree's age also can affect tree ring growth.

The "trick," which was used in a paper published in 1998 in the science journal Nature, is to combine the older tree ring data with thermometer data. Combining the two data sets can be difficult, and scientists are always interested in new ways to make temperature records more accurate.

Tree rings are a largely consistent source of data for the past 2,000 years. But since the 1960s, scientists have noticed there are a handful of tree species in certain areas that appear to indicate temperatures that are warmer or colder than we actually know they are from direct thermometer measurement at weather stations.

"Hiding the decline" in this email refers to omitting data from some Siberian trees after 1960. This omission was openly discussed in the latest climate science update in 2007 from the IPCC, so it is not "hidden" at all.

Why Siberian trees? In the Yamal region of Siberia, there is a small set of trees with rings that are thinner than expected after 1960 when compared with actual thermometer measurements there. Scientists are still trying to figure out why these trees are outliers. Some analyses have left out the data from these trees after 1960 and have used thermometer temperatures instead.

Techniques like this help scientists reconstruct past climate temperature records based on the best available data.

In another email, Kevin Trenberth, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado, wrote that systems for observing short-term annual climate variation are inadequate and complained: "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can't&#8230;. Our observing system is inadequate."

Scientists have high confidence about global temperature trends over recent decades because those observations are based on a massive amount of data. That's why we can say with certainty that over the past several decades, the Earth has warmed. We can also say with certainty that continuing to overload the atmosphere with carbon dioxide will cause it to warm further.

But scientists are still trying to understand how the climate shifts in the short term, on a year-to-year basis for instance. In this email, Trenberth is bemoaning the lack of monitoring equipment in the ocean and atmosphere around the world that would give scientists more information to help understand exactly how short-term climate variation happens. In particular, he references 2008, which was cooler than scientists expected, but still among the 10 warmest years since instrumental records began.

The sentiments in Trenberth's private email reflect his public communication. Trenberth talked about this same issue in a scientific paper in 2009 (pdf), in which he addresses this exact question.

There is no clear evidence to date that scientists violated important principles of scientific integrity. And the emails do not undermine the science.

Some emails relating to avoiding freedom of information requests and keeping articles out of journals have raised concerns about scientific integrity. Scientists should always be as open as possible with their data and methods. Transparency is critical for accountability on all sides. For his part, Phil Jones claims he didn't delete any email messages in response to freedom of information requests. If he did, that conduct would be wrong. But to date, there is no evidence that any emails were deleted.

Science must be viewed in context. When one places the emails in context, they don't amount to much&#8212;and as noted above, they do not undermine climate data or research. Likewise, it is important to understand the scientific integrity claims against the scientists in context.

Regardless of whether the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit staff complied with freedom of information requests, their data is still rigorous and matches the three other independent temperature data sets at NASA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the Japanese Meteorological Society.

Much has been made about emails regarding a certain paper that some scientists did not think should have been published in a peer-reviewed academic journal. These emails focus on a paper on solar variability in the climate over time. It was published in a peer-reviewed journal called Climate Research, but under unusual circumstances. Half of the editorial board of Climate Research resigned in protest against what they felt was a failure of the peer review process. The paper, which argued that current warming was unexceptional, was disputed by scientists whose work was cited in the paper. Many subsequent publications set the record straight, which demonstrates how the peer review process over time tends to correct such lapses. Scientists later discovered that the paper was funded by the American Petroleum Institute.

In a later e-mail, Phil Jones references two other papers he didn't hold in high esteem. "I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"

Yet, the papers in question made it into the IPCC report, indicating that no restrictions on their incorporation were made. The IPCC process contains hundreds of authors and reviewers, with an exacting and transparent review process.

The fact that groups opposing action on climate change are crying "conspiracy" shows how desperate they are to discredit scientists.

The thousands of stolen emails span more than a decade. Whoever stole them could only produce a handful of messages that, when taken out of context, might seem suspicious to people who are not familiar with the intimate details of climate science.

Opponents of climate action have been attacking climate science for years. The fact that out-of-context personal attacks on scientists are the most successful argument they can offer speaks volumes about their failure to gain any traction by arguing against the evidence.

Their strategy has unfortunate consequences, too. On December 8, the Guardian reported that University of East Anglia scientists have been receiving death threats.

The timing of the publication of these emails should make us suspicious about the motivations of the people who hacked them.

The stolen emails were published just two weeks ahead of a major U.N. climate change conference in Copenhagen. According to a British newspaper, they were originally hacked in October. Whoever published these emails likely wanted to spread misinformation about climate science to try to undermine the conference. The University of East Anglia, which housed the emails, has launched an investigation to determine who stole them.

Scientists are as human as anybody else.

Some of the other emails simply show scientists expressing frustration and&#8212;in one email&#8212;even talking (not seriously, we hope) about beating up someone who had, in his view, made an unfair, public attack on his colleague. Such chatter is not surprising to find in private emails. But they have generated widespread attention in part because they don't mesh with the public's image of scientists.

Scientists have a wide array of dispositions. But regardless of how scientists act, they should all advance their arguments through evidence and valid scientific interpretations. The process of science is what is important. Over time, rigorous analyses, vetted through expert peer review, tend to weed out poorly substantiated arguments. And only the best explanations for how the world works&#8212;such as the obvious evidence that excess carbon dioxide emissions are driving global warming&#8212;survive the process.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/fight-misinformation/debunking-misinformation-stolen-emails-climategate.html#.VOP5-UvIrJw

 

To ignore the obvious problems presented by the climategate emails is just to prove that useful idiots are still needed.

 

Humor? Yes, I suspect that there are many who would find it humorous. At least until it happens to them.

 

What would me being a believer have to do with your link? You are the one who posted a link of identified skeptics, but the believers, we'll, we haven't a clue who they are. Just proves what a total farce that link is.

 

Hmm, a response without references.

I remain accurate. agw is a hoax, but you know that.

 

You mean there are scientists who don't think glacial periods are caused by variations in Earth's orbital cycle? Probably the same scientists who don't think that atmospheric CO2 can retain heat.

 

Now, tell us exactly what the trigger is because there are similar orbital variations where the big switch from glacial to inter-glacial and visa versa does not happen. No one knows what the trigger is. No one knows why. There are only various hypothesis what causes the switch and why it only heats up or cools to a certain level before stopping. One is the moon, another is crust expansion, etc..

 

this just shows how dishonest y'all are:

 

Al Gore said the ice caps would be melted by now. Damn liar!

 

that's already been debunked, gore didn't say that

furthermore, he was right to be concerned about icecaps melting

 

Yes, he did.

 

your dumb lies are amusing

 

Get it now?