>>>MOD ALERT<<< It’s Too Cold To Protest Global Warming At Yale

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  1. contrails

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    Summer insolation forcing is the most likely culprit.

    Regardless, you seem to be saying that if we don't know everything about climate, then we can't know anything. Sort of ignores how science actually works. Svante Arrhenius estimated the climate sensitivity of atmospheric CO2 over a century ago without half the tools at our disposal today, and while climatologists have expanded on his work since then, nobody has been able to refute it.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean you seem to be reinterpreting. Not my problem.
     
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    your problem is that you seldom get anything right

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    Yeah. Seems to be proof that Lincoln was right. You can't fool all the people all the time.

    The smart ones have seen through the hoax. After all, 20 or so years of predictions of calamity based on faked documents, faulty instruments and just plain fraud (have you seen the reports of the falsified Paraguayan temperature readings over the last 30 years?) have started to awaken some of the gullible who believed the AGW religionists that maybe they don't need to surrender control over their lives and fortunes and live like 16th century peasants after all.

     
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    smart ones see that christopher booker is who's attempting to perpetrate a hoax


    "He is an anti-science crank with a range and depth quite astonishing for a journalist of such eminence. Possibly, his long association with Private Eye, which habitually pokes fun at The Great And Good has clouded his judgement. In seeing scientists as "establishment" figures, with their obscure language and ivory towers, he mistrusts them as a reflex reaction. While it is possible to hold plausible opinions on politics without much expert knowledge, the same is not true of science. Many deniers and cranks do not appear to appreciate this difference - Booker is certainly among them.

    Climate change is one of Booker's signature campaigns. He has written a book on the global warming "hoax" that a review in the Observer described as "the definitive climate sceptics' manual".

    The book is in fact well argued, well written and thoroughly referenced. It is also complete bollocks from start to finish. His favoured tactic is to misunderstand (being charitable) or misrepresent the sources he quotes. As with creationists, it's only if you check what the references say that the deceit becomes plain.
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    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Christopher_Booker




    this shows how dishonest y'all are:


     
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    DOconTEX Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I get that its a hoax. If "global warming" causes "climate change" and "global warming" is the problem, why change from identifying the problem as "global warming"? Since no warming has occurred for 18 years, and since the bishops of the religion can't explain why that is, they have had to change the language so that any weather event can be described as having been caused by "global warming".

    I get that the predictions are that if we do all the things the hoaxers demand in terms of surrendering our fortunes and lives to their control that the result may (or may not be, so many of their predictions have been shown to be bogus) a minuscule reduction in actual warming.

    I get that all kinds of alternate explanations for any warming that is observed exist (solar activity http://vencoreweather.com/2015/02/17/29475/, gamma ray bursts that increase water vapor in the atmosphere, etc.) that don't comport to the one that requires us all to give up a modern lifestyle and all our money to the hoaxers.

    I get that the hoaxers can't explain the medieval warm period when the earth was warmer before there were SUV's and coal fired power plants.

    I get that the earth's climate is constantly changing, and has for billions of years and that it is the height of hubris to think that man, in his tiny time on earth can or will affect the climate more than the natural forces that have existed as long as the planet.

     
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    if you look at the science, facts and evidence

    you'll see that science-deniers are the group that's attempting to perpetrate a hoax
     
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    DOconTEX Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Depends on what your rice bowl is, doesn't it? So,The hoaxers whose "science" research and conclusions depends on government grants and donations from envirowacko groups or billionaires like Tom Steyer as long as they say the right thing cleared the senders of the East Anglia e-mails of wrongdoing.

    This is my shocked face!!!!!

    Now, if EXXON had paid for the investigation into the e-mail controversy and concluded no wrongdoing, I would be more likely to believe it.

    Oh, have you seen this? https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/01/26/all-of-paraguays-temperature-record-has-been-tampered-with/#more-12774

     
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    DOconTEX Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I kind of look at the results of the predictions. We have been inundated by predicted threats by the hoaxers for decades now. Not much of the calamity their computers filled with faked data or GIGO modeling has come true. So what will they do now, shout louder? Shout down those who expose real inconvenient truths about the hoax by calling them "deniers" (OH HELL YES I'M A DENIER)? Punish scientists who have alternate explanations by denying them grants, tenure and even employment as is a common tactic among university and government leftists?

    It would seem that science should be relying on observable fact, not political or ideological manipulation by the environmental religionists who want to control our lives and income.

    Way back in the 90's I recognized lots of the envirowacko claptrap was fomented by committed leftists needing an excuse to enact policies to run our lives as THEY decided we should live them. After the cause of "acid rain" was proven to be something other than what the envirowackos said it was by a 10 year $500 million government study back when scientists were scientists and not political operatives, they moved on to the next calamity. PRESTO "Global Warming". IF we didn't start weaving our clothes out of weeds and walking to work and living in 300 SF high rise apartments we were all going to DIE!!! I don't think I'm going to surrender to the watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside).

     
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    The same Administration at Penn State that cleared the child molesters in the coaching staff cleared the hoaxers in the AGW community.
    Go figure
    Corruption is as corruption does.
     
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    You will try anything to avoid understanding Climate Change over your obsession with alarmism.
     
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    Apparently you bought into the genuine hoax...

    It's actually "the height of hubris" to base your comments on pseudo science and expect not to be called out on it...

    Eight Pseudoscientific Climate Claims Debunked by Real Scientists
    http://billmoyers.com/2014/05/16/eight-pseudo-scientific-climate-claims-debunked-by-real-scientists/

    Modern lifestyle? Give money to hoaxers? WTH are you talking about?
     
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    Actually, most folks seem sufficiently scientifically astute. Hell, even 25% of TPs get it!

     
  14. dujac

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    no it doesn't, facts are facts

    that's like saying that if phillip morris says cigarettes don't cause cancer (which they did) then you'd believe them

    when every legitimate doctor knows and says that smoking does cause cancer


    i understand climate change pretty well and i'm not sounding any alarm, i'm posting science, facts and evidence
     
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    That comparison didn't work for the National Review either.
     
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    I am going to make it simple for you on the left.

    I think even you lefties will have to admit the climate has

    been constantly changing since the beginning of the planet.

    It's gone from ice age to warm periods back to ice age and so on

    for no telling how long.

    My million dollar question is..........................

    Do you really think there is anything the human race can do about it?

    I just wish you could see how "really silly" you seem to the sane objective thinker.

    You lemmings just love getting GRUBERED........................
     
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    You are exactly right. Some are trying to blame the normal cyclical climate on
    anthropogenic global warming which has no very little evidence to support that idea.

    What has been shown is that those who want to blame man for climate change
    ignore the facts that the figures have been doctored to agree with an accepted dogma
    of intolerance.

    agw doesn't exist as the "chicken littles" want it to do.
     
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    Oops! Here comes a reasonable question.
    I know there is nothing the human race can do. Nature is going to do what
    nature does and man can't change it.
    I don't believe they understand or realize the lemming statement. They simply
    don't understand their predicament they've created under the guise of science.
     
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    the vast majority of climate scientists say you don't know what you're talking about


    scientists say there is something that can be done

    they were right about 'acid rain' and lots of other things, too

    one thing is for sure, it wasn't creationists that put a man on the moon
     
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    Irrelevant since they're only parroting what they've been told to say because they
    receive tons of money to keep the lie burning. If the money were to stop, there would
    no longer be agw.

    However, have you not notice how climate change had replaced agw? That's because
    they really don't have any real or supportive evidence.




    scientists say there is something that can be done

    they were right about 'acid rain' and lots of other things, too

    one thing is for sure, it wasn't creationists that put a man on the moon[/QUOTE]
     
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    'Global Warming' is a tough sell while Niagara Falls is freezing.

    Just sayin'.
     
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    When the science shows that humans are the primary cause of a nearly 1 °C increase over the last century, the simple answer is we already are doing something. The question you should be asking is are we doing the right thing?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Only if Niagara Falls is your entire world.

    Just sayin'.
     
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    you're ignoring reality, climatologists like michael mann have spent their whole lives studying climatology

    and they have the published papers, data, science and evidence to support their position



    not for people that understand climatology and trust science, facts and evidence



     
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    You seem to be wrong about everything.

    You need to go have a long talk with yourself in the mirror.


    Aldrin, a Presbyterian, was the first person to hold a religious ceremony on the Moon. After landing on the Moon, he radioed Earth: "I'd like to take this opportunity to ask every person listening in, whoever and wherever they may be, to pause for a moment and contemplate the events of the past few hours, and to give thanks in his or her own way." He took communion on the surface of the Moon, but he kept it secret because of a lawsuit brought by atheist activist Madalyn Murray O'Hair over the reading of Genesis on Apollo 8.[15] Aldrin, a church elder, used a home communion kit given to him, and recited words used by his pastor at Webster Presbyterian Church, the Rev. Dean Woodruff.[16][17] The communion elements were the first food and liquid consumed on the Moon: in Guideposts, Aldrin stated: “It was interesting to think that the very first liquid ever poured on the moon, and the first food eaten there, were communion elements.”[18]

    Later Aldrin commented on the event: "Perhaps, if I had it to do over again, I would not choose to celebrate communion. Although it was a deeply meaningful experience for me, it was a Christian sacrament, and we had come to the moon in the name of all mankind – be they Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, agnostics, or atheists. But at the time I could think of no better way to acknowledge the enormity of the Apollo 11 experience than by giving thanks to God."[18][19]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin
     
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    I just sayin' who can believe anything from the left?

    Your most prominent news sources have proved to be liars.

    Your so called scientist have been discredited.

    And while the world we live in is seeing record breaking

    cold spells and snowfall, you want us to believe we are all going to burn up.

    The little liberal boy has cried wolf too many times and his buddy chicken little ain't helping matters.
     
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