Slut Walk Mob attacks innocent man for baring his penis.

boys used to be called knave girls and girls used to be called gay girls

boys were also dressed in pink and girls were dressed in blue as pink was the stronger colour and blue was seen as soft

the more you know~


edit: also Gender is performative and the sooner people can drum that into their heads the better, go read some judith butler


edit again: and comparing the use of boy and girl to slut and player(or something along those lines) is naive at best, western society has had good birth control for half a century now we're past women having to walk around in a chastity belt in fear of getting pregnant every time they have sex

slut demeans a woman simply because she might want to you know, enjoy sex, whereas when a man enjoys a lot of sex he's a god, the lad, the stud

simple analysis of language can often explode perhaps hidden pernicious gender inequalities still in modern society

 

Hey,any Woman that wants to accost me naked is welcome ,im 50 I don't get a lot of accosting these days ,oh dear oh my ,now back to Politics .

yes ,Lesbians of the radical middle class feminist type can be Fascists to .Its who the greens are a cover for actually ,called popular frontism developed by the Other National Socialist Joseph Stalin ,Thyankfully the Internationalist Socialist tendency won that Historical battle ,hey comrades of the 4th international.

 

Oh dear, inequalities between the sexes did not disappear in a few decades. Nearly all societies in the world were organized patriarchaically to a certain extend which differs from society to society you put your focus on. Some of the double standard you mention came from ancient times and tribalist thinking which connected sexuality always to reproduction. Today many of that became obsolete, but remains at least in parts in our tradition.

Nevertheless those who encourage women to go out naked to protest against rape and advocate lynching mobs because of a penis (we did not even read of it was a large one) shown in public want to deepen double standard and don't want to leave it behind.

As a regular user of saunas I can guarantee you no one dies due to seeing someone else's penis or vagina. Neither if the owner is old and wizened nor if the owner is young and attractive. If someone is putting himself out to provoke, to embarrass or to harass someone else, it's a case for the police, not for the mob to attack him. And the whole concept of a slutwalk is provocation with nudity. And these girls (as well as some guys I saw in the picture) go crazy and want to attack someone who is exposing his penis? A bunch of hypocrites and feminist neurotics.

PS: Why should I read Judith Butler or accept her as an authority, she is most obviously mentally ill.

 

double post

 

Again, can you point me to the women in the Slutwalk that were naked? I missed that.

 

So shoot me if I missed the connection you were making to the quote. That some feminists see different things accumulating / attributing to rape, for me, that's not something to be dismissed... The only thing that should be being dismissed / ERADICATED here is RAPE.

I didn't deny answering the question. I actually missed the context of your question.

Rape MAY have something to do with 'patriarchal capitalist' society, and given that some feminists DO attribute this to RAPE, then I'm prepared to consider it.

When a woman doesn't have economic means, when she is at home with children, when the male is DOMINANT in terms of making the money where the woman has none of her own, a woman can become stuck / subservient to a husband / partner being abusive / or raping her. The premise, in part, that if the male is DOMINANT in terms of economic means, he may use that DOMINANT role to push / force / bully / rape a woman because of the DOMINANT role he assigns himself. Wives ARE raped. SHAME stops wives telling others that their own husbands rape them.

Don't pity me. You should pity those of your gender that rape women.

Yes, bash feminists because they rally against RAPE. If feminists develop ideologies to try to understand rape / to try to 'overthrow' rape, then good for them.

You are bashing against the wrong side. You should be taking a big stick to the men that RAPE women. But no, go ahead, bash at feminists who want to see an end to the vile crime of rape being perpetrated against them.

Rape is a vile crime. And I'm not going to argue with someone who wants to bash at feminists who are mortifed and disgusted at the vile crime of rape.

Instead of bashing feminists, why don't the feminist bashers go and rehabilitate a rapist? Then they'd be doing something worthwhile.

 

Quite the sexist tripe, right there.

Thank Christ the world has moved on from this offensive misogynistic garbage.

 

I don't know what Christ you're talking about. Christ was never a supporter of feminism. Feminism is demonic.

 

Which isn't an idea you'll find anywhere in your scriptures, of course.

Then again, you're Catholic, and if I remember correctly you guys think sola scriptura is (and rightfully so) nonsense. So that may not matter.

 

Think about this from a practical point of view for one moment.. You are viewing this on a 100% emotional point of view, from pure bias, no offense. You are so charged up by their message and believe in what they stand for with a passion, and believe me, this is good and there is nothing wrong with supporting their point of view, but what I'm saying is that you aren't looking at it from a practical point of view, of whether or not they are going about their work in the most practical way.

First impressions?!?! YES!!! They are in the business of shaping public opinion.. Did you know that almost everyone will shape their opinion of you, anyone else they meet, organizations they encounter etc. within like the first five seconds of meeting them? This is psychological fact. Image IS important. That's what I'm saying.. They see a bunch of "sluts" and don't know what they are about, they might just scoff and move on with their life, not run home and check their google.

YES. And I outlined the specific reasons why their image and name is unwise.

They're not accomplishing ANY of this though, are they? Are the bigots blaming the rape victims stopping doing that? NO. As I said, these dispicable minority extremists will cling to their biased opinion irrespective. Dismantling sexism like this?!!? You honestly think the "slutwalk" will accomplish this? Look at this op in this thread for PURE evidence to the contrary. They're firing up the sexists like the op to be further sexist, as you can CLEARLY see.

YOU said their WHOLE NAME AND IMAGE, was in tackling the sexist, mysonigist attitudes at rape victims!!! THAT is why they do what they do!

So THEY are treating the rapists as invisible!

They aren't even protesting rape!!! By your own posts, and the google posts you showed me, and I've read, they are CLEARLY focused 100% against being called SLUTS, and NOT the TRUE jerks who they SHOULD be protesting, and that is the rapists!

I agree the thread is a joke. The conversation between us it spawned isn't. I don't oppose this organization and what they stand for. I don't look down on you for supporting them and mean no disrespect. I'm not trying to call you a biased person at all but am trying to explain you are viewing this group through the rosy glasses. I mean no disrespect, I'm just trying to explain to you why this organization could support their noble cause, and tackle both rape and the sexism it spawns, far more productively by changing their name and image.

And again, another point, it's not family friendly and not fit for public anyway. I oppose these gay pride demonstrations for similar reasons. People SHOULD show a bit of dignity. ESPECIALLY if they want to draw positive attention to their cause. Just my opinion. But I believe my opinion about the lack of practicality in their image is more objective than that last opinion here. Most respect to you and cheers for reading.

 

It's actually feminism that you'll never find supported in scripture. In fact, Paul's admonition that wives submit to their husbands as head of the household is repugnant to feminism. Oh, and there's a difference between saying that the Bible isn't the sole arbiter of faith and saying it doesn't matter altogether. Catholics have today and historically had more respect for the holy Scriptures than Protestants.

 

It's not the point that you missed a connection or overlooked something that disturbed me, it's flooding me with allegations that are simply not true. It is the simple minded argumente that someone who does not conform with these radical feminists advocates rape.

"They see", "they see", they see nothing, they repeat dull and empty leftist politcally correct phrases.

Brings us to the question, what happens in the absence of capitalism or in the absence of patriarchy.

There are several examples in history for situations like that, when family structures dissolve through chaos or in which capitalist sturtures dissolved.

1. In the beginning of the 19th century in the Southern states family structures of Negroes were oftentimes no longer there and many women lived with their children without a father. You can find an intereting description of these situation in the literature of Maya Angelou, e.g.
Strange, she was raped in the absence of patriarchic family structures, I mean how can that be without the "patriarchic" atmosphere under which rape takes place?

2. In socialist systems, did rape disappear? The Red Army on their march into Europe did not rape? The Army of Yugoslavia and later Serbia did they not rape on the Balkan?
In the GDR, if a woman had been raped by one of her Soviet brothers there to her "protection from fascists" and she would have gone to the Volkspolizei, would they have opened the case or would they have scared her to death ever to talk about this incident again?

That rape is the product of capitalism and patriarchy is a a primitive leftist mantra.

Why should I pity them? Look, thats the difference, I see rape as a crime, and I do not pity criminals in general. Crimes are to be judged by courts who should investigate and treat every crime as the specific case it is. Most important for me, that society has to be protected from criminals. The question if I pity a criminal or not is irrelevant and highly emotional and subjective.

Feminism is an ideology, ideologies as such are not developed by practical experience, they include a priory principles. And this thread in not about rape, but about a feminist mob which attacked a man, because he was naked in public.

The reality is, that rape is a crime which will not disappear if I open "Death penalty for rapists" threads here.

You can as well try to overthrow murder, kidnapping or drug trafficking. If I open a thread in which I bash Mexican drug rings, what's the effect?

Again, it's your ideological point of view who defines everyone who does reject feminist mobs who attack a man because of nakedness as the protector of rapists.
And it's not about rape it is about the so called sexist attitude of a policeman, as far as the motives are mentioned here in the forum.

 

Right, that message pops up a lot. It was 2000-6000 years ago, the idea was popular back then.

...I didn't say that it didn't?

 

You ever think that feminists hamfisted attempts to squash any and all cases of possible rape would lead to an overly intrusive State and then the family unit is no longer a sacred untouchable by the State, but instead is just another State Run/State Monitored institution?

The State should have almost NO power over the family unit except in the most extreme cases.

Feminists refuse to settle for a 99% elimination of rape, it has to be 100%, even if the State has to monitor every family in America.

I don't want the State having any power at all over me and my family decisions. None at all. No family court advocates intruding in the lives of families unless there is complete and total proof beyond all reasonable doubt of abuse.

 

My eyes get 'raped' every time I see a radical feminist.

 

Except rape is about power and not about looks.

You're buying into 'rape culture', which blames women for dressing too scantily and 'luring' men, making the men want to rape them. This does not happen, in roughly 90% of cases (according to some recentish surverys) the rape victim knows their attacker.

If it was about looks or dressing too 'sluttily' grannies wouldn't get raped.

Nice joke about rape though, bet you're proud of that hilarious zinger.

 

I'm aware of that yeah.

 

I'm still waiting for Silicon or Naninga to point out where the hordes of naked women in the Slutwalk are.

 

Where does it say in the bible 'men are expected to act like dogs' - as you stated earlier? Quite the FANTASTIC way to let your gender off the hook. Men are 'expected' to act like dogs. That's what you said.

No, they're NOT. Men are to be held accountable for their conduct and they are EXPECTED to behave as CIVIL, DECENT MEN. The same goes for women being civil and decent.

 

There are many ways of going around a 'problem'. This is their way. The bias you attribute to me is how you see me... but is NOT me.

Public opinion is shaped on many fronts. For too long, the sexist rhetoric concerning rape has been abhorrent.

The first five seconds passes quickly... then the real 'summation' begins. If people are that superficial / disinterested that they'll judge something straight away and move on good luck to them. But curious minds like to learn.

How do you combat the misogynistic Limbaughs of the world? How about stealing the grubby words they use for women / taking those words away from them... then throwing those words up in the air and laughing at them... I CAN see what these women are doing. I can see that some others can not see what they're doing. Fair enough. They are doing it their way. For their reasons. They are shoving the word 'slut' in the faces of those that have bashed them with the word. They are depotentiating the word. They are giving the creeps who use the word towards them a serve. If some people don't cotton on to that, fine. These women know what it means, and if asked, they will tell you. I've posted quotes earlier where women explain the concept.

The sexist folk will be fired up, irrespective. Not sure how they could be any more sexist than they are. When sexism is used to bash women that are raped, then it's all gone too far.

These women are drawing attention to sexism / the sexist words that are used in society. If they can turn the word 'slut' on its head and kick the word 'slut' in the face of those that use the word against them... GOOD.

They ARE protesting against rape. Toronto, where Slutwalk originated:

We are tired of being oppressed by slut-shaming; of being judged by our sexuality and feeling unsafe as a result. Being in charge of our sexual lives should not mean that we are opening ourselves to an expectation of violence, regardless if we participate in sex for pleasure or work. No one should equate enjoying sex with attracting sexual assault.

We are asking you to join us for SlutWalk, to make a unified statement about sexual assault and victims’ rights and to demand respect for all. Whether a fellow slut or simply an ally, you don’t have to wear your sexual proclivities on your sleeve, we just ask that you come. Any gender-identification, any age. Singles, couples, parents, sisters, brothers, children, friends. Come walk or roll or strut or holler or stomp with us.

http://www.slutwalktoronto.com/

I understand their name. It is their way. There are many ways to tackle problems that are quite entrenched such as sexism / demeaning women. This is their way. Women go about tackling it in various ways, academically, in their choice of friends and partners, politically, and on. Addressing the problems on many fronts works towards resolution someway down the road.

I guess it isn't 'family friendly' when the sexist folk attack women with grubby words. These women are throwing the grubby word back to the Limbaughs of the world. Limbaugh uses the word in public to how many listeners? May the women rub the word back in his grotty face...

I do understand where you're coming from, and I appreciate your engagement of the subject with me.

I have witnessed too much sexism, particularly at this forum. I understand what these women are doing. They are doing it their way.

 

You would think that any man who remembers the Lorena Bobbitt event, would be a little more cautious, especially with Latino women.

 

I told you, you should look for bettern free porn in the net.

 

I'm married, I don't need porn You claimed Slutwalks were armies of nekkid women. That's pretty outrageous, because I've never heard of a Slutwalk where the women were naked.

 

Never heard of the "Femen" movement?

 

Sounds like YOUR relationships with women are very strained and difficult.