reading transgender children's book to KINDERGARTNERS>>MOD WARNING<<<

And I thought my tin foil hat was on tight. That was a lot of fancy talk just to say, "The gov't is brainwashing our kids." Which they have been doing forever anyway, so why is it now an issue and not when we started making them chant a pledge of allegiance that they don't even understand? Oh wait, that's different.

Right...

 

Yes, this is a privilege reserved exclusively to the right

Sincerely,
The pledge of allegiance, abstinence based education, and every major religion everywhere. (Except muslims)

 

Yeah! I would expect ANY intelligent and sensitive caring parent to be tuned into the nuances of their child's behavior and emotions form day one.

 

It is different, a lot different. But if you can't tell the difference then what can I say?

 

I guess you say what is different since you know and I don't. Let's start there. I will keep an open mind. I am not an unreasonable man I just have little patience for ignorance or poorly constructed arguments and invite anyone and everyone to apply the same scrutiny and critical reasoning to my posts as I try to apply to yours. And where I find I am in error I will adjust my opinions and arguments accordingly.

 

In all fairness, there were a couple of days I wasn't sure if they were happy to see me or if it was just gas.

 

No, it's a way of saying exactly what I said - though the appeal in dumbing it down to a threadbare cliche is obvious.

Who says it wasn't an issue from the beginning?

It is, but your demeanor suggests explication would be futile.

 

When it is about their sex and wanting to act like the other sex it is. Yeah guess you never learned that.

 

It's not a matter of "wanting"...it's a matter of not being able to be any other way. Why is this so difficult for some people to understand.

 

Of course we should teach the children about the world and it's people, but why do you think it's necessary to clutter and confuse 5 yr olds mind by teaching them about something they can't possibly relate to, have no interest in nor understand - transgender/gay lifestyles? WHY?

Why can't they be given age appropriate info that they have an interest in and can have some understanding of what you're saying? I don't understand why you don't understand this...... it really isn't complicated.

And if 5 yr old are being told about transgender/gay, it should ONLY be coming from the kid's parents - NOT the school.

It would make more sense to me for the teacher to be talking to the 5 yr old about 'good touching, bad touching' and if it happens, to tell their parents immediately, since a lot of parents, altho they m/b very good parents, miss the boat on this and many kids have to live w/this ugliness b/c they feel they can't tell anyone,or it was their fault, etc... THAT'S the only acceptable area of sexuality that the teachers should be talking to the little kids about......

Your posts leaves me w/a lot of questions and the main one is why you think it's necessary for 5 yr old minds should be given info that's way beyond their level of maturity and comprehension.... and my other question is - why can't 5 yr old kids just be kids and think 5 yr old kid's tho'ts?

If parents build a comfort zone w/their kids, assuring them they can ask them anything they want about anything, if their kid is curious about transgender/gay lifestyles - the kid will let them know and hopefully get answers that will satisfy their curiosity........ meanwhile, leave the 5 yr old minds alone and let them develop at their own natural pace....

 

In my world, there's nothing 'ignorant' about putting your child's comfort and happiness ahead of your own adult issues, like divorce, drug addiction, poverty........kids learn about that stuff soon enuf, doncha think?

 

I don't even know where to start with this so I guess I'll just answer your main questions:
1. Never said it should be necessary, don't think it is beyond their maturity, don't think it is beyond their comprehension. Don't think it is age inappropriate. Don't even see how it deals with sexuality. It deals with a person's identity. Don't think it will clutter or confuse a child's mind. Basically, don't see WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS. But people are getting mad about it, and I think that's funny, because to me it's harmless. Me, or anyone could read this book to my children and they would be no worse off for it. If they have questions I answer them. I don't see why parents have a problem with this but i guess they do. I teach my kids to love and respect people from all walks of life so when I see people getting up in arms about a book it really confuses me.

2. I hate this argument. Every. Single. Time. I. See. It. What about the kids in america that are hungry? Or deal with drug addicted parents or family members? Or God forbid live in even worse situations? Why don't those kids just get to be kids? You think that by all of the sudden reading them a book about a transgender person that their childhood is going to be whisked away? Seriously. Just stop saying this. Just let kids be kids. Jesus Christ it doesn't even make any sense. I'm sorry, it just really irritates me.

 

Yah they do, and just because we don't like doesn't mean it's going to go away. Kids aren't all of the sudden going to have better childhoods because we don't read them certain books. And they're certainly not going to get any worse because we read them a book. So I still fail to see what the issue is.

 

My hope is that in a generation people will stop looking at people who are gay or bi or trans as different. As something that needs to be explained or hidden away from the kids. Because in the end, we are all just people who want to live happy lives and for the most part be left alone. The fact that people are mad that children were read a book that features and trans person makes me confused and sad. I joke of course, to make light, but deep down I really just don't understand it and it upsets me that people feel that way. I honestly do hope that it is just a very vocal minority and that I am not alone in the belief that this is really just no big deal.

 

Yes it is a matter of wanting to pretend they are the other sex something 3-4 years don't even consider in their everyday little normal lives.

And the teachers any other school officials who were involved should be fired immediately.

 

That's your opinion. Why should 5 yr olds be burdened w/stuff they don't understand and clearly at that young age, is not ready to try to comprehend and only confuses them..... what's the point?

I knew my kids were smart and I was also smart enuf to know what info would benefit them and what info would only confuse them. See how that works for parents? IOW's, your way works only for you, but not necessarily for other parents.......get over yourself.

 

Kids pretend all the time, but what does that have to do with anything? When I was a child I sometimes pretended to be the daddy when my little friends and I were playing house and sometimes they were the daddy (we were all girls).


Genuinely transgender children are not pretending and they are not who they are because of a book...and...they need to be respected and acknowledged just as any other child does. A genuine human being with empathy gets this.

 

Very well said. It amazes me that one parent thinks his/her way of raising a child is the only way........

 

I don't know, why shouldn't they? It's gender identity, not genocide. I guess the difference is you see it as a burden, I see it differently. I'm not here to say how anyone should raise their kids, but stop acting like it's a big deal that they were read a book. Get over it.

 

If I had a transgender child, he/she would have all the books, info and support he/she could possibly use....... but does that mean all 5 yr olds in Kindergarten should be told about transgender/gay lifestyles - a topic they don't understand and can lead to confusion?

There are some issues of child raising that should be left up to the PARENTS - NOT the school! It's NOT THEIR CALL........

 

People that were raised to denigrate others based upon biases and ideologies pass it along to the next generation...and so it goes.

 

This is so much arrogant psychobabble, I don't even know where to start..... as I had said - get over yourself.

 

Couple of posts back, JonathanBlu mentioned that the media is overplaying these events and that what we see being reported is not representative of the wider LGBTQQ community. For a while I was considering that this might be the case.

Then I see this article being posted up and responses from Peppermint Twist and JonathanBlu actually condoning what has transpired.
It's at that point I'm re-assured that these societal issues making headlines go wayyyyyy deeper than some fringe supporter trying to create a big bubble. I mean, there are people on here actually justifying exposing kindergarteners to sensitive topics behind a parent's back. Worse still, some posts even go so far as to promote the continuation of these types of expositions.

Seeing those things and adding up the pieces, I'm of a mind that this is the face of the LGBTQQ community.
Not one criticism has been raised on the school's actions. Instead there is silent support for events like these to continue to unfold.
So much for living in peace like everybody else

 

Your kids made you feel that they weren't happy to see you?.... but you tho't m/b they were just.... gassy?

Strange.......

 

So, according to you & your ilk, 5 yr olds needs to understand this also?