Why do some Christians seem to think homosexual marriage is a danger to society?

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  1. dairyair

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    How is any minority ruling the majority in this case? No minority is taking anything away from the majority here. Nada.

    Again. Per you and the definition. Perversions are subjective. Is adultery a perversion, ie most 2nd marriages?
    So, if some, many, don't see this as a perversion, then your opinion is moot.
     
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    Human biology is not subjective. Male and female parts have a specific function.

    As to adultery, yes, it is a perversion of Gods will for marriage/monogamous mating. Not sure the church can do anything about this. IMO, it is a sin for the adulterers to reconcile.
     
  3. dairyair

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    What specific function?
    And then it is to only be used for that specific function and no other reason?
    If it is used for any other reason than that specific function, is it a sexual perversion?
     
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    As a Christian I believe it is wrong to segregate anyone. Gays have had the right to marry here for over 15 years, and I am proud to say, in a very small way I helped that come to be.

    The stance being taken is based on a middle ages authoritarian interpretation of scripture. As with anything, mores and ways change based on culture and then, the Church was the last vestige of structure left after the fall of Rome.

    It is not, in my world view, what Christ teaches. More than anything else, Jesus hung out with outcasts, the dregs of society. One of his top guys was a hated tax collector, he hung out with whores, thieves and people who had been ostracized because of their beliefs like Samaritans.

    And he taught to love the sinner, and hate the sin.

    In the end, we must look at God's laws. No where in the commandments is there any reference to same sex union, but specifically calls out adultery. Today, we have as many people "living in sin" as we do gays, but that's OK. But, some Christians believe, wrongly, that we must make them societal outcasts.

    BTW, thank you for making the distinction "some Christians", as usually atheists charge hate filled at all Christians.

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    And you have what to support that?

    One study? Two?

    How about none...
     
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    Christians have been hating atheists for centuries and have a lot of vitriol for them.

    You are not the victims of atheists hostility.

    And the hostility towards Christians is rightly deserved.

    I'm really frustrated with Christians thinking that they're the victims when they're not.

    And I'm really frustrated of Christians thinking they can't do anything wrong or are not haters and do not create the problems they blame the victim for.

    And if Christians stopped treating people the way they do, the constant demonization and berating of people for not being Christian and demanding that everyone bow down and obey them, well then, maybe there wouldn't be such hostility towards them.

    Christians have been hurting and polarizing people for many many hundreds of years.

    For example, trying to force only Christian prayer in school. Keeping marriage only to themselves.

    And many many other things to boot.

    But you know what? You haven really truly been oppressed.

    If you want to feel what that's like, go live in the Middle East, or wait for your anti Christ to come.
     
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    Hate the sin, not the sinner, and so forth.
     
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    There is 0 proof to substantiate this claim.
     
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    Does any of this have anything to do with same sex marriage as a danger to society?
     
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    Ask dairyair.
     
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    It's just fear, and sometimes it blows things out of proportion. That coupled with extreme ignorance on the subject make for very bad behavior.
     
  11. ProgressivePatriot

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    This goes out to all of those who think that religious freedom means that you can encroach on the freedom of others:
    This is how stupid it can get. Will his God not forgive him for UNKOWINGLY ingesting something that is against his religion? Will he be forgiven for KNOWINGLY shooting a man and his dog?
     
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    When you place your male body part in the mouth of a female and ejaculate, is that a perversion or is it "natural"?
     
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    Tradition + $2.37 will get you a vente hot coffee at Starbucks.
     
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    Great point; well made!!
     
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    Never done that. I'm guessing like with putting a male part in a male colon, it is not natural to the purpose of procreation.

    Now, you have not heard me claim that sex is solely for procreation. But this does not deem homosexuality as natural human behavior.
     
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    And who gets to decide for all what is a natural sex act? You? Me? Someone else? And by what authority? As humans are not cyborgs we are creatures of nature and any sex act we commit is a natural act. For some rape is a natural act but as it harm someone we as a society deem it to be illegal. IMO Being gay is a natural act that harms no one thus it is legal. One mans perversion is another mans pleasure and so long as it harms no one then why label it as a negative?
     
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    Have you seen me advocate outlawing homosexuality? Defending our natural biological sexuality from an official standpoint is not preventing others from their perversions of it.
     
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    Indeed, but you have not answered my question... who gets to decide for all what constitutes a natural act of sex? You? Me? Someone else? And by what authority?
     
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    Really? How then do you explain birth defects, illnesses, ethnicity, variances in longevity... Etc?
     
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    So, you are questioning the purpose of the penis, vagina and colon based on abnormalities? Seriously?

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    The birds and the bees. Accepting the purpose of sexual parts determines what is natural. Good grief.
     
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    No, that is just your inaccurate perception of what I am saying. I argue that human biology is subjective as exampled by birth defects, illness, ethnicity, longevity... Etc.

    I agree as I accept that the penis has multiple purposes, urination, a means of human reproduction, and recreational sexual gratification from many different stimuli.
     
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    So what do you all think of this? It sheds new light on the question posed in the OP, don't ya think??

     
  23. dairyair

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    What? You never got a hardon?

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    Outside the abrahamic religions. Sin isn't a popular concept.
     
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    I say it's awesome; wife gets rather annoyed. Should I ask the invisible skydaddy for a kinkier wife? Or just marry a shemale? Because they love sex pretty much nonstop.

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    By the official order of the invisible skydaddy, as per the goat herder in 1000 BC that thought the earth was flat and was the only planet in the Universe. Because if you can't trust that dude, who can you trust? Amirite?
     
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    Thor is the one true god. The rest are as useless as tits on a bull.
     

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