How is it that Barack Obama and his Birth certificate

Another interesting tidbit related to this is that Obama's opponent, John McCain, was not born in the United States. He was born in Panama. How many people knew that?

McCain is an American because his parents were American.
Obama is an American because he was born in the United States AND his mother was American.

 

I knew about the John McCain being born in Panama, but I thought that he was born on a U.S. base and somehow that made him eligible to be President. Anyways! I remember what a HUGE! topic this was about Barack Obama's birth certificate and how it didn't matter whatever he produced that it was going to critiqued by the GOP right as a forgery, but Ted Cruz and John McCain are somehow different and Republicans and Fox News don't have one bit of a problem with them being born on Foreign soil. This just confirms every Democrats suspicion that the hatred of Barack Obama by the GOP had more to do than just his policies, but more about his different name and the fact that he wasn't your normal run of the mill old rich white Presidents, he was doomed from the get go with opposition from the right that was determined to make him a failure and one term President at all costs, even if it meant Americans suffering longer from an Economic disaster created by a Republican President who was in the White House before President Barack Obama got in there.

 

Birtherism: Where it all began - Ben Smith and Byron Tau ...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53563.html
Politico
Apr 22, 2011 - From left: Barack Obama's birth certificate, Barack Obama and a ... At the time, the Democratic presidential primary was slipping away from Hillary Clinton and ... The original smear against Obama was that he was a crypto-Muslim, ... Obama's controversial but emphatically Christian pastor emerged as a ...The answer lies in Democratic, NOT Republican politics, and in the bitter, exhausting spring of 2008. At the time, the Democratic presidential primary was slipping away from Hillary Clinton and some of her most passionate supporters grasped for something, anything that would deal a final reversal to Barack Obama.

But that's old news.....

 

margot

Im not the president nor am I running. The American people need to know who their leader is and needs to be FULLY vetted.

 

One qualification is that someone must be a "natural born" citizen of the U.S. to be President. The term "natural born" is not clearly defined anywhere but I take it to mean "U.S. Citizen at birth." Obama meets the test on two counts, born in Hawaii and mother was a U.S. citizen. McCain meets the test on one count, parents were U.S. citizens. I assume Cruz meets the test on one count also as he has a parent who was a U.S. citizen.

IMHO you are correct in your opinion that the hatred of Obama by the GOP has more to do than just his policies. I am from South Carolina and currently live in Georgia. I have many "friends" who are racist. I have no doubt that, for a high percentage of them, that it is racist more than anything else.

 

Maybe the term "natural born" needs to be clearly defined. Cruz was a "natural born" Canadian citizen. By my definition (American at birth) he was also a "natural born" American. Is there something wrong with this picture. Does it make sense for someone to be considered a "natural born" citizen of two countries?

 

Read the statutes......

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Doesn't mater whether McCain was born on the base or not. Read the statutes.

 

President Obama deliberately stoked the fires to make Republicans look bad.

If he had any interest in killing the story he could've simply released it immediately.

 

Most Republicans have enough education to read the statutes for themselves.

 

Actually it does because someone born on a U.S. base, embassy, or consulate grounds or aboard a U.S. naval vessel regardless of location are considered American citizens by birth.

 

The statutes do not make Ted Cruz a "natural-born" citizen. The statutes make Ted Cruz a statutory citizen, a naturalized citizen without the need to file. He only needed to meet the requirements set forth of living in the US for an amount of time prior to his turning 16, his parents returned with him to the US when he was 4. If he did not meet those requirements he would not acquire US citizenship.

 

The Constitution specifies "Natural Born Citizen or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution." So perhaps the debate is on what is a "Natural Born Citizen?" I think everyone can agree anyone born within the boundary of the 50 states is a Natural Born Citizen.

Most military bases and all Embassies overseas are considered United States territory or property. The United States has legal jurisdiction of any and all people on those military bases and Embassy Grounds. In short they are considered part of the United States. So anyone born on any of those bases of military parents are considered Natural Born Citizens as it is the same as being born in the states. Also anyone on official government business overseas that has a child overseas, that child is also considered Natural Born.

Any American Tourist that has a child overseas can go to any Embassy or Consulate and obtain the proper paperwork and passport stating that child is a Natural Born Citizen. Even without obtaining the proper paper work at the time of birth overseas, if the child is born of parents of U.S. citizens they too are recognized as U.S. citizens at the time of birth.

But you will have arguments on what is or is not a Natural Born citizen and until the SCOTUS rules on that, arguments will continue.

The Constitution only specifies Natural Born Citizen and does not state one must be born within the boundary of the United States. Statutes has been passed which addresses this, these statutes also have been changed over time. These have been Congress's attempt to define what a Natural Born Citizen is. But the SCOTUS has never ruled on them. I remember Goldwater back in 1964 being challenged by Democrats stating he wasn't a natural born citizen. He was born in the Arizona Territory and not the state of Arizona. But the challenges never went to court as far as I remember. Goldwater received my first presidential vote.

As for Cruz, he is not going to win the nomination and the debate on him is irrelevant. McCain lost, but he was born on what was considered at the time part of the United States. The debate on him is also irrelevant as it was for Goldwater.

 

"Candidate" Obama posted his official, state-issued birth certificate on the internet prior to the election. That wasn't good enough for the birthers who were grabbing at straws, trying to find a way to disqualify him. They demanded to see the hospital-issued birth certificate which the state eventually made public at the request of the President. That still wasn't good enough as many birthers claimed that document was faked. There will never be any satisfying some folks. Haters still gonna hate, regardless of what the facts are.

 

It remains that Obama needs to produce his real BC, and all of his college records. Only then will the questions go away. Until he does, you cant blame people from believing he is hiding something.

 

He did produce his real BC, both his state-issued, official BC AND the hospital-issued Record of Live Birth. Birthers did not/would not accept either of those official documents as being genuine. I do blame birthers for claiming he is hiding something. They have no leg to stand on still questioning where he was born.

His college transcripts are personal and we have no right to see them if he wants to keep them private. If he were to release them his opponents would simply pour over them and try to find some way to insult his intelligence.

 

American children born to American parents anywhere in the world are considered US citizens at birth.. natural born US citizens. You just register the birth at the nearest US Consulate. Read the statutes.

 

Nope. Birtherism started on the right wing rag free republic.

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No it didn't.

 

Released in June of 2008.

He doesn't.
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Why would he do something no other president has ever done?

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He was. He's the only president who has ever released their birth certificate. NO president has ever released their college records.

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Republicans don't need any help with this.

he did release it immediately.

 

I knew that. I misinterpreted your post that I responded to.

 

He produced his real BC, and no president has ever released their college records.

The questions went away in 2008. He was elected and confirmed twice.

I most certainly can blame them. You've seen his BC. He is the only president who has ever showed theirs.

 

Only in your dreams.

 

Nope. http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/03/hillary-clinton-supporters-were-not-the-first-birthers/

 

Wrong.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...4/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton.html

 

Not to worry, he seems to have very little intelligence to insult. What is he hiding??????

Kerry and Bush released their college records. Much to the regret of libs, Bush had higher grades than Kerry.

 

That was refuted in my link.

Here is a link to the actual post which started Birtherism.........http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2011/06/secret-origin-of-birthers.html?m=1

Sorry, Hilary didn't start Birtherism.

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Bush didn't release his records, they were leaked. Kerry is not a current or former U.S. President.

No president has ever released their college records.